Archive 2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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Footwedge

Posts: 9,265

Mar 13, 2012 10:12pm

IggyPride00;1115422 wrote:If the Browns lose out on Flynn it is looking like they might be forced to take Tannehill at 4.

Jason Campbell is off the board now to Chicago, Orton is rumored to be heading to Dallas possibly, and they were the best of the also rans.

I didn't want them, but to me either would have been an upgrade over McCoy.

As the QB's come off the board, if we don't land Flynn it is literally going to end up being Tannehill at 4 or another season of McCoy.

The market is just so thin for QB's right now that Flynn is going to end up being drastically overpaid by a desperate team.

The Browns would never take Tannehill at 4. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever. Class dismissed.

lhslep134

Posts: 9,774

Mar 13, 2012 10:16pm

"Forced" to take Tannehill? Sorry, but nothing about him impresses me. 1 year wonder as a starter in a terrible defensive conference doesn't exactly scream "franchise savior".

IggyPride00

Posts: 6,482

Mar 13, 2012 10:17pm

Footwedge;1115490 wrote:The Browns would never take Tannehill at 4. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever. Class dismissed.

A couple of weeks ago I would have agreed. The way things are shaping up though, I think it is increasingly possible it could possibly happen somewhere in the top 10 if they can get down a few picks.

He won't be there at 22, and they can't go into next season with Colt as the QB.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Mar 13, 2012 10:19pm

IggyPride00;1115345 wrote:$20 million guaranteed to Matt Flynn for anyone is a disaster waiting to happen.

If he doesn't have that 6 touchdown game he is looking at a quarter of that as guaranteed money, it would be craziness.

I hope you are correct that it is not being considered right now.

I don't understand, you'd be cool with us throwing multiple first round picks for rg3 (an unproven commodity), but upset if we gave up a bunch of money (which isn't yours) to another (mostly) unproven commodity?

bases_loaded;1115414 wrote:It's not our money so who gives a shit

Lol, this.

shook_17

Posts: 3,023

Mar 13, 2012 10:39pm

^^ RG3 upside is 10 times better than what matt flynns is.

Iliketurtles

Posts: 8,191

Mar 13, 2012 10:42pm

shook_17;1115551 wrote:^^ RG3 upside is 10 times better than what matt flynns is.

Link?

OQB

Posts: 6,679

Mar 13, 2012 10:45pm

Here it is......

We all know McCoy is not a franchise QB, but it could be argued Flynn is a glorified McCoy, which just so happens to only have 2 really good starts. Here is the question you have to ask yourselves......

Is hope worth 40/50 million in guaranteed money that isn't yours to spend to go get Flynn.

wes_mantooth

Posts: 17,977

Mar 13, 2012 10:49pm

OQB;1115559 wrote:Here it is......

We all know McCoy is not a franchise QB, but it could be argued Flynn is a glorified McCoy, which just so happens to only have 2 really good starts. Here is the question you have to ask yourselves......

Is hope worth 40/50 million in guaranteed money that isn't yours to spend to go get Flynn.

if this was baseball...I would love it, but with a capped sport you have to be smart. This is a make or break deal for the franchise

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Mar 13, 2012 10:50pm

shook_17;1115551 wrote:^^ RG3 upside is 10 times better than what matt flynns is.

No it's not. You guys just get obsessed w/ high coveted QBs because you can't stand Colt McCoy (which i mean, is fine...but don't sound stupid when you make the argument) so you want him to be replaced by RG3.

RG3 and Flynn both have the same exact chances of busting. And they both have the same exact ceilings--greatest QB ever. And you can say that about any QB ever, and it would still be true (even if it has a <.1% chance of being true). Point is, nobody knows who is going to be great or bust, so might as well take your chances on someone you don't have to mortgage your next 2 drafts over, and someone who worst case scenario you just simply cut him and take the cap hit.

shook_17

Posts: 3,023

Mar 13, 2012 10:51pm

Iliketurtles;1115557 wrote:Link?

lol you are an idiot if you think flynns upside is better than RG3. get outta here with that link bullshit troll.

OQB

Posts: 6,679

Mar 13, 2012 10:51pm

wes_mantooth;1115566 wrote:if this was baseball...I would love it, but with a capped sport you have to be smart. This is a make or break deal for the franchise

I agree.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Mar 13, 2012 10:52pm

shook_17;1115569 wrote:lol you are an idiot if you think flynns upside is better than RG3. get outta here with that link bullshit troll.

Just because eeeeeeeeverybody says RG3's upside is greater, doesn't make it true.

Eeeeeeeverybody didn't think Brady had an upside, was that true?

wes_mantooth

Posts: 17,977

Mar 13, 2012 10:55pm

SportsAndLady;1115572 wrote:Just because eeeeeeeeverybody says RG3's upside is greater, doesn't make it true.

Eeeeeeeverybody didn't think Brady had an upside, was that true?

Brady sucks, can't win the big game.

/chowderheads

Mulva

Posts: 13,650

Mar 13, 2012 10:58pm

Iliketurtles;1115557 wrote:Link?

http://postimage.org/image/ml9m8ehsz/

Dr. KnOiTaLL

Posts: 2,682

Mar 13, 2012 11:00pm

wes_mantooth;1115575 wrote:Brady sucks, can't win the big game.

/chowderheads

LOL! He has been to the Super Bowl in half of the seasons he has been an NFL starter (5 times) and has won 3 times. What you sippin' on in the back of the Millennium Falcon?

shook_17

Posts: 3,023

Mar 13, 2012 11:01pm

Mulva;1115578 wrote:http://postimage.org/image/ml9m8ehsz/

lol that made me laugh. good shit dude

wes_mantooth

Posts: 17,977

Mar 13, 2012 11:01pm

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1115582 wrote:LOL! He has been to the Super Bowl in half of the seasons he has been an NFL starter (5 times) and has won 3 times. What you sippin' on in the back of the Millennium Falcon?

Lol....you need to read up on Boston fans blaming him for the last loss

Dr. KnOiTaLL

Posts: 2,682

Mar 13, 2012 11:08pm

wes_mantooth;1115584 wrote:Lol....you need to read up on Boston fans blaming him for the last loss

Hey... if Boston fans are done with him, we will happily take him here in Browns country.

Colt McCoy... straight up... how about it? haha

Iliketurtles

Posts: 8,191

Mar 14, 2012 12:03am

shook_17;1115569 wrote:lol you are an idiot if you think flynns upside is better than RG3. get outta here with that link bullshit troll.

Did I say that Flynn's upside was better? NO. I just wouldn't say that RG3's upside is that much greater than Flynn's. We haven't really seen what either QB can do.

Mulva I'll give you Reps for that even I laughed.

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BR1986FB

Posts: 24,104

Mar 14, 2012 5:11am

Sounds like the Browns ARE in discussions with Houston for a trade for RB Ben Tate, This would be a good get. Sounds like Hillis to KC is a lock. Jeremy Mincey & Robert Meachem both off the market. Valuable WR pool dwindling significantly. And in the most WTF moment, it sounds like Mario Williams may only look at BUFFALO.

Holmgren's gotta be wringing his hands because I've heard this "isn't his style" (sit on your hands and do virtually nothing).

Crimson streak

Posts: 9,002

Mar 14, 2012 6:10am

Ben Tate would be amazing. We can only hope

derek bomar

Posts: 3,722

Mar 14, 2012 6:57am

I guess my fiance will have to get rid of her white rhino t-shirt

derek bomar

Posts: 3,722

Mar 14, 2012 6:59am

maybe I missed it... what are they looking to give up for Tate?

Commander of Awesome

Posts: 23,151

Mar 14, 2012 7:02am

Hasn't been speculated on yet.

royal_k

Posts: 4,423

Mar 14, 2012 7:31am

St. Louis may lose Brandon Lloyd, as he is visiting SF. We may be able to trade rape them for a shot at Blackmon if he goes elsewhere.

And these Flynn rumors are mind boggling if true. Way too much money....and no OL or WR. Seems about right for this franchise.

The only positive is the Ben Tate possibility.