Archive 2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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BR1986FB

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Mar 12, 2012 3:30pm

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1113793 wrote:Ouch, this could have tremendous implications in free agency as both teams were lined up to be major players in FA acquisitions.

I'm laughing my ass off because apparently the league has been warning them about this practice for awhile (per Schefter).

BTW..this increases the Browns cap number to $19 million because each team except for the Saints & Raiders gets $1.6 million each if I'm reading this correct.

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Sonofanump

Mar 12, 2012 3:33pm

BR1986FB;1113789 wrote:OMG, OMG....It sounds like the HAMMER just got dropped by Goodell. If I'm reading this right, the Cowboys and Redskins just got punished for cash dumping? Cowboys lose $10 million in cap space while the Skins lose $36 million over the next two years per Schefter? Skins are FUCKED.

1) Why is this against the rules?
2) Mike Brown wants to know how to sign up.

Dr. KnOiTaLL

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Mar 12, 2012 3:36pm

BR1986FB;1113795 wrote:I'm laughing my ass off because apparently the league has been warning them about this practice for awhile (per Schefter).

BTW..this increases the Browns cap number to $19 million because each team except for the Saints & Raiders gets $1.6 million each if I'm reading this correct.

Maybe the Browns could use some of that cap space to improve our O-Line by grabbing one of the established older players who could give way to a future pick in the next few years.

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BR1986FB

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Mar 12, 2012 3:36pm

Sonofanump;1113796 wrote:1) Why is this against the rules?
2) Mike Brown wants to know how to sign up.

Apparently it was for "excessive frontloading" of contracts in the uncapped year?

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BR1986FB

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Mar 12, 2012 3:38pm

Our boy is back...:rolleyes:

RT @ incarceratedbob: **UPDATED NFL RUMORS** Source: Cleveland # Browns have set up a meeting with (QB) Flynn over the next 48hours

Dr. KnOiTaLL

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Mar 12, 2012 3:47pm

BR1986FB;1113804 wrote:Our boy is back...:rolleyes:

RT @ incarceratedbob: **UPDATED NFL RUMORS** Source: Cleveland # Browns have set up a meeting with (QB) Flynn over the next 48hours

While Flynn and McCoy are very similar as far as skill and arm strength, I believe Flynn's awareness and decision making would make him a slight upgrade. The biggest question now is whether or not he would be willing to come to Cleveland.

Commander of Awesome

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Mar 12, 2012 3:48pm

BR1986FB;1113789 wrote:OMG, OMG....It sounds like the HAMMER just got dropped by Goodell. If I'm reading this right, the Cowboys and Redskins just got punished for cash dumping? Cowboys lose $10 million in cap space while the Skins lose $36 million over the next two years per Schefter? Skins are FUCKED.

this has to do with the head hunting?

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BR1986FB

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Mar 12, 2012 3:49pm

Commander of Awesome;1113812 wrote:this has to do with the head hunting?

Front loading contracts in an uncapped year...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/league-strips-cowboys-redskins-of-millions-in-cap-space/

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BR1986FB

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Mar 12, 2012 3:50pm

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1113810 wrote:While Flynn and McCoy are very similar as far as skill and arm strength, I believe Flynn's awareness and decision making would make him a slight upgrade. The biggest question now is whether or not he would be willing to come to Cleveland.

I think they will get outbid. I think the Browns will have a certain "threshold" of what they are willing to spend plus Flynn has ties to Miami & Seattle who would both be the frontrunners, I'd think.

Dr. KnOiTaLL

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Mar 12, 2012 3:55pm

BR1986FB;1113816 wrote:I think they will get outbid. I think the Browns will have a certain "threshold" of what they are willing to spend plus Flynn has ties to Miami & Seattle who would both be the frontrunners, I'd think.

I agree which is why I previously stated that I think McCoy will be behind center this season (even though I wouldn't be disappointed with an upgrade). I this if this is the case, the best scenario we can have is to take Richardson at 4 (being called the best RB in the draft since Adrian Peterson) and then take Stephan Hill or Kendall Wright if they are available at 22. Assuming we still struggle, we should be in a reasonable position to draft a quarterback next season and will already have several weapons in place.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1100735-free-agency-2012-7-reasons-the-cleveland-browns-should-avoid-matt-flynn

Commander of Awesome

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Mar 12, 2012 3:56pm

lolfail on the redskins. It would be hilarious if RG3 would refuse to sign there now.

Crimson streak

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Mar 12, 2012 4:18pm

He's too good of a kid to do that but it would be awesome

like_that

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Mar 12, 2012 5:33pm

BR1986FB;1113789 wrote:OMG, OMG....It sounds like the HAMMER just got dropped by Goodell. If I'm reading this right, the Cowboys and Redskins just got punished for cash dumping? Cowboys lose $10 million in cap space while the Skins lose $36 million over the next two years per Schefter? Skins are FUCKED.

Hmmm, what were you saying earlier??

BR1986FB;1111201 wrote:You mean the Redskins who are $40 million under the cap who can go get Carl Nicks, Vincent Jackson, Pierre Garcon, etc, etc to surround RG3 with in FREE AGENCY? For as crazy as he is, Snyder WILL surround Griffin with offensive talent.

Oh yeah lol... Still think giving up all those picks was a great move for the Redskins?

like_that

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Mar 12, 2012 5:36pm

Also, is that skin/rams deal finalized. It would be funny to see the Skins back out of the deal now. I would love to see the Rams QQ. I hope that happens and the Browns can tell them to go fuck themselves.

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BR1986FB

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Mar 12, 2012 5:44pm

Browns released Tony Pashos. Cap number should now be a bit more than $22 miilion.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/03/cleveland_browns_rt_tony_pasho.html

Mulva

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Mar 12, 2012 5:46pm

BR1986FB;1113814 wrote:Front loading contracts in an uncapped year...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/league-strips-cowboys-redskins-of-millions-in-cap-space/

I don't really get how the league can justify punishing them for this.

There was no salary cap, so what rule did they break?

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BR1986FB

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Mar 12, 2012 5:49pm

like_that;1113907 wrote:
Oh yeah lol... Still think giving up all those picks was a great move for the Redskins?

Seriously? Think the Skins had a crystal ball that they were going to lose all of that cap money? To answer your question, yes. And that "RG3 will have to equal Tom Brady to justify the trade" thing is a bunch of bullshit. If he's an elite QB in 3 years consistently leading the Skins to the playoffs I highly doubt they'll give a shit about those picks. I hear Giants fans "QQing", as you like to say, daily about that scrub Eli Manning and what they gave up for him. :rolleyes:

And if the Skins DID know about this the trade makes total sense knowing that they wouldn't have the cap money to sign a FA.

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BR1986FB

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Mar 12, 2012 5:50pm

Mulva;1113921 wrote:I don't really get how the league can justify punishing them for this.

There was no salary cap, so what rule did they break?

The league supposedly warned team not to do it.

like_that

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Mar 12, 2012 5:55pm

BR1986FB;1113926 wrote:Seriously? Think the Skins had a crystal ball that they were going to lose all of that cap money? To answer your question, yes. And that "RG3 will have to equal Tom Brady to justify the trade" thing is a bunch of bullshit. If he's an elite QB in 3 years consistently leading the Skins to the playoffs I highly doubt they'll give a shit about those picks. I hear Giants fans "QQing", as you like to say, daily about that scrub Eli Manning and what they gave up for him. :rolleyes:

And if the Skins DID know about this the trade makes total sense knowing that they wouldn't have the cap money to sign a FA.

Lol I am just giving you shit since you said he would be able to surround him with FA talent since they don't have the picks.

How does it make total sense to make the trade though if they knew they were going to be punished by Goodell. If you can't sign FA's you are going to need to build through the draft. Otherwise you are fucked. See the Raiders.

DeyDurkie5

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Mar 12, 2012 5:57pm

BR1986FB;1113926 wrote:Seriously? Think the Skins had a crystal ball that they were going to lose all of that cap money? To answer your question, yes. And that "RG3 will have to equal Tom Brady to justify the trade" thing is a bunch of bullshit. If he's an elite QB in 3 years consistently leading the Skins to the playoffs I highly doubt they'll give a shit about those picks. I hear Giants fans "QQing", as you like to say, daily about that scrub Eli Manning and what they gave up for him. :rolleyes:

And if the Skins DID know about this the trade makes total sense knowing that they wouldn't have the cap money to sign a FA.

There is a big difference between manning and rg3. I hate that justification.

like_that

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Mar 12, 2012 5:59pm

BR1986FB;1113919 wrote:Browns released Tony Pashos. Cap number should now be a bit more than $22 miilion.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/03/cleveland_browns_rt_tony_pasho.html

Best news I heard in awhile. Sayonara Fatshos. QQ somewhere else.

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BR1986FB

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Mar 12, 2012 5:59pm

like_that;1113931 wrote: How does it make total sense to make the trade though if they knew they were going to be punished by Goodell. If you can't sign FA's you are going to need to build through the draft. Otherwise you are fucked. See the Raiders.

If their top FA targets are Peyton Manning & Flynn and they don't have the cap money to afford them, they secure their QB via trade if they aren't enamored with Tannehill or Weeden. It actually makes sense if they feel he's a once in a lifetime talent (in their eyes). Don't ask me. I'm nuts but I'm not Daniel Fucking Snyder "nuts."

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BR1986FB

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Mar 12, 2012 6:00pm

like_that;1113939 wrote:Best news I heard in awhile. Sayonara Fatshos. QQ somewhere else.

That cap number will actually be around $21 million.

like_that

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Mar 12, 2012 6:01pm

BR1986FB;1113943 wrote:That cap number will actually be around $21 million.

Just the fact Patshos will be gone makes me happy. So many broken plays due to him sucking ass.

Commander of Awesome

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Mar 12, 2012 6:03pm

I feel for Pashos, but fuck man, youre made of glass. Never fucking healthy. If you didn't play you were gone anyways. Thanks for toughing it out, but you sucked on the field.