darbypitcher22;1022491 wrote:Kind of stinks that the NCAA finally went against precedence and decided to get OSU where it hurts. If they want to be consistent they need to hammer South Carolina, UNC, and Miami when it all comes down

Miami has to get hammered now. LOIC is almost a given, and their problems go far beyond the USC transgressions.

My friend (a Penn State fan) made a good point. The NCAA couldn't sit back and let OSU boot one coach and snag Urban Meyer and come out smelling like a rose. They had to knuckle down a bit. Otherwise, OSU got off real easy. One bad season and suddenly we have Urban Meyer coaching us in place of Tressel.

Sykotyk;1022699 wrote:My friend (a Penn State fan) made a good point. The NCAA couldn't sit back and let OSU boot one coach and snag Urban Meyer and come out smelling like a rose. They had to knuckle down a bit. Otherwise, OSU got off real easy. One bad season and suddenly we have Urban Meyer coaching us in place of Tressel.

And you let him get away with it? You didn't ask him how the NCAA, the collegiate governing body, who's supposed to be fair and impartial when meting out penalties deviated from their precedence in handing down their judgement? That's not how the NCAA conducts themselves, they are fair and impartial.:rolleyes:

What did he have to say about coaches and penors?

Not fair to next years seniors (no Bowl) this senior class should have been the class banned from a Bowl, it's members are the ones who committed the offenses. Because the NCAA dicked around so long the innocent will have to pay the price. (also because Gene Smith and Gee were so stupid) should have self imposed a Bowl ban this season, hell they self imposed and self reported everything else.

LJ;1022161 wrote:I don't have a direct article, but it's all over the place right now

If Sleeper's sources concur with yours, I will believe it.

Sykotyk;1022699 wrote:My friend (a Penn State fan) made a good point. The NCAA couldn't sit back and let OSU boot one coach and snag Urban Meyer and come out smelling like a rose. They had to knuckle down a bit. Otherwise, OSU got off real easy. One bad season and suddenly we have Urban Meyer coaching us in place of Tressel.

Why should the NCAA care about who OSU hires as coach to replace Tressel? That would make them biased.

I think Meyer should step in and suspend Herron, Adams, Posey and Thomas for the Gator Bowl.

LJ;1022155 wrote:OSU asked them before accepting the Gator Bowl bid and the NCAA said "no ban"

Link?

Scarlet_Buckeye;1022751 wrote:Link?

Posted 3:26 PM yesterday.
Please read thread

LJ;1022161 wrote:I don't have a direct article, but it's all over the place right now

Schad said something about it on ESPN yesterday. Also mentioned it was a split decision within in the COI on the bowl ban.

se-alum;1022747 wrote:I think Meyer should step in and suspend Herron, Adams, Posey and Thomas for the Gator Bowl.

Why? They have served their punishment. This punishment is for the failures of the compliance dept and coaches.

se-alum;1022747 wrote:I think Meyer should step in and suspend Herron, Adams, Posey and Thomas for the Gator Bowl.

That would seem to be a fair thing to do. Though one could argue that they already served their punishment. The bowl ban is more because of Tressel.

Guess I was 30 seconds too late.

se-alum;1022538 wrote:Miami has to get hammered now. LOIC is almost a given, and their problems go far beyond the USC transgressions.

I don't think Miami gets hammered. They aren't any good, and we all know if you aren't any good you won't get hammered. Look at Notre Dame, they are terrible, they never win anything, and subsequently they never get hammered for anything either.

sleeper;1022798 wrote:I don't think Miami gets hammered. They aren't any good, and we all know if you aren't any good you won't get hammered. Look at Notre Dame, they are terrible, they never win anything, and subsequently they never get hammered for anything either.

And they negligently killed a kid!

LJ;1022763 wrote:Why? They have served their punishment. This punishment is for the failures of the compliance dept and coaches.

I guess Adams and Thomas should not be punished further, but Posey and Herron are the majority of the reason that next years seniors will be punished, they deserve to miss the bowl game. The NCAA stated that this was not a compliance issue.

The NCAA is a joke. OSU should never cooperate with them again. (Who turned over the emails that Tress sent?) The players and coaches who were involved will be long gone as the remaining players sit out the bowl game next year.

se-alum;1022821 wrote:I guess Adams and Thomas should not be punished further, but Posey and Herron are the majority of the reason that next years seniors will be punished, they deserve to miss the bowl game. The NCAA stated that this was not a compliance issue.

How can it not be a compliance issue when they were punished for Failure to Monitor and for Tressel lying?

LJ;1022858 wrote:How can it not be a compliance issue when they were punished for Failure to Monitor and for Tressel lying?

Good question.

Sankey said Ohio State's compliance office "was doing its job. It simply did not have the information it needed" when former coach Jim Tressel lied about knowing details of the tattoo-for-memorabilia incidents. "From an institutional standpoint, the committee found that the university cooperated," Sankey said.

It's hard to get over the hypocrisy of the NCAA clearing the Tat5 to play in the Sugar Bowl, and then punishing them for it.

se-alum;1022909 wrote:Good question.



It's hard to get over the hypocrisy of the NCAA clearing the Tat5 to play in the Sugar Bowl, and then punishing them for it.

Even from that quote it's almost as if the NCAA doesn't even know what the hell it is saying. Just because they cooperated with the investigation doesn't mean they didn't have compliance problems to begin with. Tressel was required to report any and all compliance issues, he did not, in turn, the University was not compliant. The University is required to monitor all Booster activity and all athlete jobs, they did not, the Univeristy was not compliant. The Tressel thing isn't the Compliance office itself's fault, but the Booster stuff sure as hell is.

I'm really concerned with how the COI is supposed to work. Having spoken to someone who has been on one of these type committees within the NCAA (albeit at a lower level), I believe the protocol is the same across the board. All cases are handed a number as to try to keep the identity of the school a secret to prevent any sort of bias leveled by any of the members. I believe that I was told that if you figure out who the school is, you're supposed to recluse yourself from the investigation. If that's the case, how could anyone at the Division I level ever get anything done within that committee? The media blows up all the facts in EVERY case that it would be almost virtually impossible for someone on the COI to not know who the school was.

darbypitcher22;1022940 wrote:I'm really concerned with how the COI is supposed to work. Having spoken to someone who has been on one of these type committees within the NCAA (albeit at a lower level), I believe the protocol is the same across the board. All cases are handed a number as to try to keep the identity of the school a secret to prevent any sort of bias leveled by any of the members. I believe that I was told that if you figure out who the school is, you're supposed to recluse yourself from the investigation. If that's the case, how could anyone at the Division I level ever get anything done within that committee? The media blows up all the facts in EVERY case that it would be almost virtually impossible for someone on the COI to not know who the school was.

Um, school officials went in front of the COI, pretty sure they knew who they were

WebFire;1022766 wrote:Guess I was 30 seconds too late.

Better than being 30 seconds early or 30 seconds total.

LJ;1022942 wrote:Um, school officials went in front of the COI, pretty sure they knew who they were

That dregree isn't working out for Darby.

LJ;1022942 wrote:Um, school officials went in front of the COI, pretty sure they knew who they were

I heard the COI was blindfolded, and voice altering technology was used, fwiw.

se-alum;1022978 wrote:I heard the COI was blindfolded, and voice altering technology was used, fwiw.

lol

darbypitcher22;1022940 wrote:I'm really concerned with how the COI is supposed to work. Having spoken to someone who has been on one of these type committees within the NCAA (albeit at a lower level), I believe the protocol is the same across the board. All cases are handed a number as to try to keep the identity of the school a secret to prevent any sort of bias leveled by any of the members. I believe that I was told that if you figure out who the school is, you're supposed to recluse yourself from the investigation. If that's the case, how could anyone at the Division I level ever get anything done within that committee? The media blows up all the facts in EVERY case that it would be almost virtually impossible for someone on the COI to not know who the school was.

You are clueless about life in general, maybe you could apply for a position with the NCAA?

se-alum;1022978 wrote:I heard the COI was blindfolded, and voice altering technology was used, fwiw.

No, no, no. They give a partial lobotomy only erasing memory about who, not the content.