Sonofanump;996294 wrote:Right now the numbers are 2/3 yes and 1/3 no. There appear to be alot more athesis (not from the poll which I understand is not the question, but rather from comments) on here than I would have thought. It appears the best data shows that 12% of the US population is athesis, seems like that number might be double here. Maybe it is a younger population demographic that is on this board.

Skyhook79;995874 wrote:Man is created in God's image .

Mulva;995349 wrote:You would have to expand on that view for me. Heaven and hell are man made concepts. Believing that how "good" (also based on human morality) a person is determines where an intangible aspect of the self such as the "soul" spends all of eternity doesn't seem logical at all.

It's actually a very narcissistic viewpoint in my opinion. As if humanity is significant in the grand scheme of the universe.

jmog;996430 wrote:O-Trap would be better to give examples here, but there are many logical proofs/reasons for a belief in a supreme being and/or heaven/hell. You just gave your opinion that it doesn't "sound logical" not actual logical reasons.

DeyDurkie5;994962 wrote:This is what I hate about this subject. why not sit down, and actually think for yourself on how it sounds to YOU. Not what someone taught you years ago. If you think about it, and actually believe in it, then that is better than just saying "oh i was taught that at bible study(probably by a pedophile), so i believe in it"

Heelz;996503 wrote:I have sat down and thought about it and decided I still believe in the stuff I was taught. All my Sunday schools were taught by females and no pedophiles....I'm not catholic.

ernest_t_bass;996079 wrote:I find both sides hard to prove (at least in my mind), as both take faith. Yes, there is some science that can point you in the right direction, either way, but neither can actually PROVE what the truth is. My faith leans towards a literal heaven and hell. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But I'd rather be a wrong believer, than a wrong atheist.

password;996806 wrote: For all the people that believe in God and his greatness, I always hear that he does everything for a reason so please explain to me what he was trying to teach his followers when he unleashed Mr. Sandusky and all the pedophile priest that he created. GTFO.

Skyhook79;997267 wrote:God didn't unleash Sandusky and the pedophile priest's they unleashed themselves. They made the choice to do harm just like you make your own choices in life.

Devils Advocate;996741 wrote:You ain't thinkin straight cause you weren't butt raped.

jmog;996430 wrote:O-Trap would be better to give examples here, but there are many logical proofs/reasons for a belief in a supreme being and/or heaven/hell. You just gave your opinion that it doesn't "sound logical" not actual logical reasons.

DeyDurkie5;996442 wrote:what logical proof is there for a supreme being?

Laley23;997370 wrote:So God allowed them to do it?

Skyhook79;997603 wrote:Do you allow God to make choices for you or do you make them yourself?

DeyDurkie5;997617 wrote:god created everything
people are creations of god
people do what they do cause god allowed them to do so
some people rape kids(sandusky)
god allowed people to rape kids

"oh but that's not true, every human has their own choices, it's not gods choices."

so when someone performs a miracle, or rescues a baby from a burning house, or when someone does something magical, it's not god it's them? Why do you say thank god when those things happen, but not when awful things happen.

tcarrier32;997508 wrote:2) The Universe has a beginning of its existence.

Skyhook79;997632 wrote:Yes, you are correct, God allows people to do miraculous/heroic things also.

lhslep134;995750 wrote:I've read testimony of people that have had supposedly out of body experiences in a near death situation, and that kind of makes me think that something happens after you die. What that is, I don't know.

FatHobbit;997640 wrote:That is what I have an issue with. Why does the universe have to have a beginning? If you can accept that god has always been there, what's so different about saying the universe has always been there? If the universe has to have a beginning, then why doesn't god?

justincredible;997644 wrote:IMO, these are nothing more than a neurological response to the trauma. Just dreams, basically.

DeyDurkie5;997641 wrote:but he doesnt allow them to do horrible, horrible things?

DeyDurkie5;997617 wrote:god created everything
people are creations of god
people do what they do cause god allowed them to do so
some people rape kids(sandusky)
god allowed people to rape kids

"oh but that's not true, every human has their own choices, it's not gods choices."

so when someone performs a miracle, or rescues a baby from a burning house, or when someone does something magical, it's not god it's them? Why do you say thank god when those things happen, but not when awful things happen.

Con_Alma;997712 wrote:The thanks is often times for the created form we are having the abilities to pull off such activities.