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Nov 30, 2011 9:30 PM
Sonofanump;995524 wrote:If there is nothing after life, what reason would atheists have for any moral decision if there is no consequence for actions? Why not go out and steal, pillage and rape to your content if nothing matters?
are you fucking retarded??
Nov 30, 2011 9:30pm
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Nov 30, 2011 9:31 PM
Fab1b;995538 wrote:I would say that it has to do with the consequences suffered for those crimes while living not dead. I would believe that atheists don't want to go to jail either! What the hell were you trying to prove here?
I guess I should have added "if you can get away with it".
Nov 30, 2011 9:31pm
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Nov 30, 2011 9:33 PM
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Sums up my view pretty well.
Nov 30, 2011 9:33pm
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Nov 30, 2011 9:33 PM
I Wear Pants;995557 wrote:a decent person
According to what code of ethics?
Nov 30, 2011 9:33pm
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Nov 30, 2011 9:35 PM
Pick6;995562 wrote:doesnt make much sense...just because you dont believe in God doesnt mean you wouldnt want to live your life the best that you can.
Everyone has some bad desires, I guess I was thinking what is it that stops us from committing those desires if consequence is not in the equation.
Nov 30, 2011 9:35pm
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Nov 30, 2011 9:36 PM
Con_Alma;995520 wrote:I believe that how good or bad a person is has absolutely nothing to do with whether they* spend eternity in heaven or hell.
What is your opinion then? I was under the impression that the whole heaven/hell concept was based on the concept of mortal sins, which are based on the human concept of what is and is not acceptable. But I admittedly haven't paid any attention to religion since I was about 12 and decided for myself that something didn't add up, so I'm curious as to how you view it.
Sonofanump;995524 wrote:If there is nothing after life, what reason would atheists have for any moral decision if there is no consequence for actions? Why not go out and steal, pillage and rape to your content if nothing matters?
Because even if there's nothing after life, there is still something during life? If life is all you have, that seems like even more reason that you wouldn't want to spend it in prison.

If there is something after life, then why wouldn't you do all of those things and then simply ask for forgiveness and have your sins absolved. It's a two way street of equal stupidity.

Also, you don't have to be an atheist to not believe in heaven or hell, which was the original question.
Nov 30, 2011 9:36pm
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Nov 30, 2011 9:39 PM
Mulva;995586 wrote:If there is something after life, then why wouldn't you do all of those things and then simply ask for forgiveness and have your sins absolved. It's a two way street of equal stupidity.
Agree. I hate that concept.
Mulva;995586 wrote:Also, you don't have to be an atheist to not believe in heaven or hell, which was the original question.
Agree, I was just wondering about internal moral ethics and what drives them certain beliefs of persons.
Nov 30, 2011 9:39pm
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Nov 30, 2011 9:46 PM
Sonofanump;995595 wrote:Agree, I was just wondering about internal moral ethics and what drives them certain beliefs of persons.
I'd argue it's a product of brain development in areas that allow for apathy and remorse, things like that. I'm not going to try to get into nature vs. nurture because I'm not a psychologist, but I would say, whatever determines it, that that has much more to do with a person's actions (as well as understanding of and opinion regarding the consequences of those actions) than belief about the afterlife.
Nov 30, 2011 9:46pm
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Nov 30, 2011 9:49 PM
Sonofanump;995584 wrote:Everyone has some bad desires, I guess I was thinking what is it that stops us from committing those desires if consequence is not in the equation.
Because I feel bad if I cheat someone. Has nothing to do with God or fear of eternal torture in some mythical fire pit. I feel bad because I know that cheating someone is wrong, theft is wrong, etc.

Nov 30, 2011 9:49pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:01 PM
I Wear Pants;995623 wrote:
Fair enough for me. I was not looking for a pissing match, just looking for an opinion, which is all that my beliefs would be since it can not be factually proven either way to me one way or another.
Nov 30, 2011 10:01pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:04 PM
I didn't think you were. I was just trying to explain and it's frustrating that so many people have the same question that you do. They link not believing in God to people being anarchists and immoral. Which isn't correct at all. Decent people will be decent whether they believe in God or not.
Nov 30, 2011 10:04pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:05 PM
Sonofanump;995582 wrote:According to what code of ethics?
If you told someone prior to the crime they would get away with it, I bet 75% more crimes would be committed. The fact that you cant know you will get away with it, and the consequences you will face WHILE LIVING scare the shit out of people (myself included).

Also, I dont go around robbing people, raping women, or killing people because I am a decent human being and respect people and their lives. I have good manners to strangers etc. I dont think for a second there is a God, Heaven, Hell, etc. I just do it because Im not a dick. Has nothing to do with belief or religion.
Nov 30, 2011 10:05pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:08 PM


This is the difference here. Some people are like the person on the left, others like myself are the one on the right. Just because there isn't an afterlife or some grand plan for our lives doesn't mean we have to be bitter, selfish, violent, depressed, pricks.
Nov 30, 2011 10:08pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:10 PM
Mulva;995586 wrote:
If there is something after life, then why wouldn't you do all of those things and then simply ask for forgiveness and have your sins absolved. It's a two way street of equal stupidity.

10:26 For if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins is left for us, 10:27 but only a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire that will consume God’s enemies. 10:28 Someone who rejected the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 10:29 How much greater punishment do you think that person deserves who has contempt for the Son of God, and profanes the blood of the covenant that made him holy, and insults the Spirit of grace? 10:30 For we know the one who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 10:31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10: 26-31
Nov 30, 2011 10:10pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:12 PM
Skyhook79;995679 wrote:10:26 For if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins is left for us, 10:27 but only a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire that will consume God’s enemies. 10:28 Someone who rejected the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 10:29 How much greater punishment do you think that person deserves who has contempt for the Son of God, and profanes the blood of the covenant that made him holy, and insults the Spirit of grace? 10:30 For we know the one who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 10:31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10: 26-31
quoting bible verses is a great way to make yourself sound like an idiot.
Nov 30, 2011 10:12pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:20 PM
DeyDurkie5;995689 wrote:quoting bible verses is a great way to make yourself sound like an idiot.
Reading some of your posts over the last couple of months on several different topics I have come to the conclusion that you pretty much think everyone is an idiot who has a different opinion or belief than you, so it really doesn't matter.
Nov 30, 2011 10:20pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:23 PM
Skyhook79;995679 wrote:10:26 For if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins is left for us, 10:27 but only a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire that will consume God’s enemies. 10:28 Someone who rejected the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 10:29 How much greater punishment do you think that person deserves who has contempt for the Son of God, and profanes the blood of the covenant that made him holy, and insults the Spirit of grace? 10:30 For we know the one who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 10:31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10: 26-31
Well that answers that part. It sounds vengeful and bloodthirsty, but it does refute my question.
Nov 30, 2011 10:23pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:26 PM
Vengeance and bloodlust is bad, except for when God does it. Because he loves us so it makes it cool. Same with genocide.
Nov 30, 2011 10:26pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:27 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;994901 wrote:I believe Free Huddle is heaven and Ohio Chatter is hell.
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Nov 30, 2011 10:27pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:29 PM
Laley23;994970 wrote:I suppose. But that would mean that they have died, seen it, and come back.
I've read testimony of people that have had supposedly out of body experiences in a near death situation, and that kind of makes me think that something happens after you die. What that is, I don't know.
Nov 30, 2011 10:29pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:30 PM
Good night all, sweet dreams.
Nov 30, 2011 10:30pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:45 PM
lhslep134;995750 wrote:I've read testimony of people that have had supposedly out of body experiences in a near death situation, and that kind of makes me think that something happens after you die. What that is, I don't know.
Way to take a stand and answer the question! Typical Lawyer response, lets generate more litigation and debate.
Nov 30, 2011 10:45pm
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Nov 30, 2011 10:57 PM
I Wear Pants;995740 wrote:Vengeance and bloodlust is bad, except for when God does it. Because he loves us so it makes it cool. Same with genocide.
Gods justice is perfect man's not so much.


"Dear friends, never take revenge. Leave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say, "I will take revenge; I will pay them back," says the LORD." Romans 12:19
Nov 30, 2011 10:57pm
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Nov 30, 2011 11:04 PM
Skyhook79;995823 wrote:Gods justice is perfect man's not so much.


"Dear friends, never take revenge. Leave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say, "I will take revenge; I will pay them back," says the LORD." Romans 12:19
Ah yes, my genocide is unjust. Gods is just. That makes it perfectly cool.
Nov 30, 2011 11:04pm
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Nov 30, 2011 11:04 PM
If man was created in god's image, why is he the only one qualified to take revenge?

He now sounds like a bloodthirsty, vengeful, egotistical hypocrite. And that's why I can't get behind Christianity.

But I'm getting disrespectful and off topic, so I'll simmer down and refrain from posting anymore unless con alma responds to my post from earlier.
Nov 30, 2011 11:04pm