majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 10, 2011 8:09pm
Makes me wish I would have chosen a career in law enforcement.fish82;967066 wrote:Farking awesome. Taste the baton, cretins.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 10, 2011 8:09pm
No but they call the police for trespassing.Glory Days;967229 wrote:the problem is McDonalds and other places are overwhelmed. these asshats dont listen to the police, you think they will give a shit what mcdonalds tells them?
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Nov 10, 2011 8:11pm
its a short video, you probably also didnt see the police ordering them back. what i saw though was the group start pushing against the police once everything started. if these people didnt want a fight with the police, they wouldnt confront the police and continue to push forward.I Wear Pants;967123 wrote:Well in this video the protesters were standing and yelling which is sort of the crux of a protest. The cops then began beating people with clubs, sort of the crux of abusive power. Notice that at no time did the protesters fight back or anything. Where is the validation for all of your claims that they are just waiting for a chance to be violent? They didn't.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Nov 10, 2011 8:12pm
there are hundred of stores having the same problem. you would have to have the police posted there 24/7 in addition to everywhere else in the city.WebFire;967236 wrote:No but they call the police for trespassing.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Nov 10, 2011 8:17pm
Are you watching the same video as the rest of us? I'm watching the one where the crowd has locked arms and LEAST 2 of them are yelling "go, we are moving forward?"I Wear Pants;967123 wrote:Well in this video the protesters were standing and yelling which is sort of the crux of a protest. The cops then began beating people with clubs, sort of the crux of abusive power. Notice that at no time did the protesters fight back or anything. Where is the validation for all of your claims that they are just waiting for a chance to be violent? They didn't.
I'm really trying to believe that you aren't serious with this crap...but it's getting harder by the day.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 10, 2011 8:24pm
From the link.WebFire;967236 wrote:No but they call the police for trespassing.
http://gothamist.com/2011/11/08/panini_shop_owner_says_occupy_wall.php"I have the police in here 10 times a day
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 10, 2011 8:56pm
That's EXACTLY why the dude got the body shot. That's not people protesting something that really has nothing to do with the police, that's kids getting their rocks off over an unjustified excuse to disobey and tussle with police.fish82;967247 wrote:Are you watching the same video as the rest of us? I'm watching the one where the crowd has locked arms and LEAST 2 of them are yelling "go, we are moving forward?"
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 10, 2011 10:02pm
Yelling, as I've stated is not a legal grounds to beat someone.sleeper;967141 wrote:If you can't see that yelling at cops in an aggressive manner is not "starting a fight" then you are ignorant, blind, and likely unemployed.
Unless your interpretation of the law is that if you were standing and yelling at me that I'm entitled to beat you with a baton and face no legal repercussions.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 10, 2011 10:05pm
"If they didn't want a confrontation they just wouldn't protest" -youGlory Days;967238 wrote:its a short video, you probably also didnt see the police ordering them back. what i saw though was the group start pushing against the police once everything started. if these people didnt want a fight with the police, they wouldnt confront the police and continue to push forward.
I didn't see anyone moving forward. I saw them standing their ground.
Yes I am serious. I don't see any wrongdoing in that video on the part of the protesters. "OMFG! They said they were moving forward but they actually made no attempt to do so! Let's fucking beat them with batons!"-Cops and you.fish82;967247 wrote:Are you watching the same video as the rest of us? I'm watching the one where the crowd has locked arms and LEAST 2 of them are yelling "go, we are moving forward?"
I'm really trying to believe that you aren't serious with this crap...but it's getting harder by the day.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 10, 2011 10:10pm
LOLI Wear Pants;967361 wrote:Yelling, as I've stated is not a legal grounds to beat someone.
Unless your interpretation of the law is that if you were standing and yelling at me that I'm entitled to beat you with a baton and face no legal repercussions.
POLICE BRUTALITY! Verbal abuse is still abuse. Don't toe the line if you don't want to get beat.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 10, 2011 11:59pm
Glory Days;967238 wrote:its a short video, you probably also didnt see the police ordering them back. what i saw though was the group start pushing against the police once everything started. if these people didnt want a fight with the police, they wouldnt confront the police and continue to push forward.
Court precedent does not support you. I am within my legal right to tell a cop to fuck off, get bent, etc. Not that I would or should do those things. But if I do that and then a cop or someone else I said that to would assault me they would be the ones performing an illegal activity, not me.sleeper;967376 wrote:LOL
POLICE BRUTALITY! Verbal abuse is still abuse. Don't toe the line if you don't want to get beat.
You're letting your emotions get the better of you.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 11, 2011 12:13am
I thought they were protesting Wall Street. The 1%. The cops are not the 1%. Why are they taunting them? Why do they want to tell a cop to fuck off. This movement is a fail of epic proportions.I Wear Pants;967439 wrote:Court precedent does not support you. I am within my legal right to tell a cop to fuck off, get bent, etc. Not that I would or should do those things. But if I do that and then a cop or someone else I said that to would assault me they would be the ones performing an illegal activity, not me.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 11, 2011 12:45am
Well in NYC the police are paid for by Wall Street at least for some amount.majorspark;967445 wrote:I thought they were protesting Wall Street. The 1%. The cops are not the 1%. Why are they taunting them? Why do they want to tell a cop to fuck off. This movement is a fail of epic proportions.
And they don't have a beef with the cops. The cops have the problem with them. Only tell them to fuck off after they hit people with batons, etc.
What's full of fail is that the police didn't do anything about the riot that took place at Penn State and yet were Johnny on the spot to beat the students at Berkeley.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 11, 2011 12:49am
And once again, you do not need a reason to have your speech legally protected. The Westboro Baptist people are all assholes but it would be illegal for police to start hitting them with batons.
I don't care for "well they deserved it" at all. If there is a problem with the law (from an enforcement standpoint, not necessarily civilian standpoint) you must change that law, not disobey it. There is no excuse for the government or police to break the law. (Not saying the police were doing that in every case we've discussed in this thread).
I don't care for "well they deserved it" at all. If there is a problem with the law (from an enforcement standpoint, not necessarily civilian standpoint) you must change that law, not disobey it. There is no excuse for the government or police to break the law. (Not saying the police were doing that in every case we've discussed in this thread).
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 11, 2011 1:01am
Most of the trouble is on the West Coast in California. The NYPD and Wall street have nothing to do with that.I Wear Pants;967453 wrote:Well in NYC the police are paid for by Wall Street at least for some amount.
And they don't have a beef with the cops. The cops have the problem with them. Only tell them to fuck off after they hit people with batons, etc.
Uhm we do not have a national police force. These are two different local police departments that act independently. What is your point?I Wear Pants;967453 wrote:What's full of fail is that the police didn't do anything about the riot that took place at Penn State and yet were Johnny on the spot to beat the students at Berkeley.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 11, 2011 1:10am
When the Westboro people gather in mass (what are their numbers? A couple dozen?), occupy public property in various spots across the country, and line up around the cops shouting insults. The cops will be more than happy to beat them down and I will enjoy watching it.I Wear Pants;967455 wrote:And once again, you do not need a reason to have your speech legally protected. The Westboro Baptist people are all assholes but it would be illegal for police to start hitting them with batons.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 11, 2011 1:11am
My point is that I hear no outrage from the people I see day to day about the riot/ridiculousness of it at Penn State and yet hear them rail against the Occupy folks. And a lot of them prescribe to the (and I've heard this from people on this board as well) idea that if you get arrested/beat/whatever by a police you probably deserved it. That's insanity. Where is the outrage over arson, throwing rocks, etc over a fucking football coach that got fired because he was mixed up in a serial child rapist cover up? It isn't there, and yet there's this animosity and hate over people who are angry that we're paying for the mistakes of Wall Street so that the insiders and executives of these giant firms and companies like GM to get massive lives and live in oppulance while an increasing amount of Americans are barely able to get by.
Something is very wrong.
Something is very wrong.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 11, 2011 1:12am
How do you reconcile the government beating citizens for merely yelling?majorspark;967461 wrote:When the Westboro people gather in mass (what are their numbers? A couple dozen?), occupy public property in various spots across the country, and line up around the cops shouting insults. The cops will be more than happy to beat them down and I will enjoy watching it.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 11, 2011 1:19am
When the cops are out numbered and the masses push up against them its not merely yelling.I Wear Pants;967463 wrote:How do you reconcile the government beating citizens for merely yelling?
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 11, 2011 1:22am
There is plenty of outrage over what happened at Penn State. On this board as well. Head over to the college football forum. The local police failed to control the crowd.I Wear Pants;967462 wrote:My point is that I hear no outrage from the people I see day to day about the riot/ridiculousness of it at Penn State and yet hear them rail against the Occupy folks. And a lot of them prescribe to the (and I've heard this from people on this board as well) idea that if you get arrested/beat/whatever by a police you probably deserved it. That's insanity. Where is the outrage over arson, throwing rocks, etc over a fucking football coach that got fired because he was mixed up in a serial child rapist cover up? It isn't there, and yet there's this animosity and hate over people who are angry that we're paying for the mistakes of Wall Street so that the insiders and executives of these giant firms and companies like GM to get massive lives and live in oppulance while an increasing amount of Americans are barely able to get by.
Something is very wrong.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 11, 2011 1:31am
I don't go to that forum so I didn't see that. But I experienced in person and on my Facebook today a lot of "this is BS they shouldn't ruin JoePa's legacy like this" shit. Absolutely ridiculous.
I guess my main thing is that it's really easy for you and I to criticize the Occupy people, the Tea Party people, etc but even if we disagree with them at least they're out there trying to do something and get things changed. We just sit at our computers and argue about shit and maybe vote.
I guess my main thing is that it's really easy for you and I to criticize the Occupy people, the Tea Party people, etc but even if we disagree with them at least they're out there trying to do something and get things changed. We just sit at our computers and argue about shit and maybe vote.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 11, 2011 2:09am
There are some who care more about JoePa's legacy than the ruined lives of young boys. It is ridiculous. He has been weighed in the balance and been found wanting.I Wear Pants;967472 wrote:I don't go to that forum so I didn't see that. But I experienced in person and on my Facebook today a lot of "this is BS they shouldn't ruin JoePa's legacy like this" shit. Absolutely ridiculous.
There is a way to do something and get change. There is also a way to do something and fail to get that change. The occupy movement is an epic fail. Choosing the word "occupy" to capsulize the movement was a huge mistake. The word occupy implies force. It implies taking something that is not yours and holding it by force. Freedom and liberty are just the opposite. The whole thing has become a massive clusterfuck. The sad thing is there are some valid points lost in the whole mess.I Wear Pants;967472 wrote:I guess my main thing is that it's really easy for you and I to criticize the Occupy people, the Tea Party people, etc but even if we disagree with them at least they're out there trying to do something and get things changed. We just sit at our computers and argue about shit and maybe vote.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Nov 11, 2011 6:15am
That is indeed the sad truth. While I'm not a big proponent of wealth redistribution, I'm not going to lie and say I never covet what the wealthy have. I do. I never appreciated the bank bailout's, the Government Motors bailout, etc. for examples.majorspark;967487 wrote:The whole thing has become a massive clusterfuck. The sad thing is there are some valid points lost in the whole mess.
In that I can certainly understand the initial spark that created the so-called Occupy Wall Street idea. But as usual, these types of things tend to be hijacked by political opportunists and far fringe kooks.
Cold weather has arrived so I hope this thing fades away........
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Nov 11, 2011 7:12am
You are allowed to tell a cop to fuck off etc. however you forget this mob isnt one person.I Wear Pants;967439 wrote:Court precedent does not support you. I am within my legal right to tell a cop to fuck off, get bent, etc. Not that I would or should do those things. But if I do that and then a cop or someone else I said that to would assault me they would be the ones performing an illegal activity, not me.
You're letting your emotions get the better of you.
[h=1]2917.03 Riot.[/h](A) No person shall participate with four or more others in a course of disorderly conduct in violation of section 2917.11 of the Revised Code:
(1) With purpose to commit or facilitate the commission of a misdemeanor, other than disorderly conduct;
(2) With purpose to intimidate a public official or employee into taking or refraining from official action, or with purpose to hinder, impede, or obstruct a function of government;
(3) With purpose to hinder, impede, or obstruct the orderly process of administration or instruction at an educational institution, or to interfere with or disrupt lawful activities carried on at such institution.
(B) No person shall participate with four or more others with purpose to do an act with unlawful force or violence, even though such act might otherwise be lawful.
(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of riot, a misdemeanor of the first degree.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Nov 11, 2011 7:14am
you probably havent been watching the right news cast then. there have been several arrests in those riots.I Wear Pants;967453 wrote: What's full of fail is that the police didn't do anything about the riot that took place at Penn State and yet were Johnny on the spot to beat the students at Berkeley.