BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Dec 13, 2011 2:13pm
It would only be about 20 pages if IWP didn't post anything.Bigdogg;1013701 wrote:59 pages about the Wall Street protesters? Your heads about ready to explode! The Tea baggers never got this much publicity. What ever happen to those guys anyway
believer
Posts: 8,153
Dec 13, 2011 7:34pm
Only if Congressmen should be held liable for the fraud of their government.I Wear Pants;1013533 wrote:Executives shouldn't be liable for the fraud of their companies?
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 13, 2011 8:09pm
When Congressmen commit crimes they should be charged.believer;1014001 wrote:Only if Congressmen should be held liable for the fraud of their government.
But you seriously don't think that executives should get punishment when they direct their companies to commit crimes?
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 13, 2011 8:09pm
15. Duh.BGFalcons82;1013724 wrote:It would only be about 20 pages if IWP didn't post anything.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Dec 13, 2011 9:01pm
Occupiers causing small business to close. Good work : http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-street/2011/12/13/nyc-cafe-close-because-occupiers-90-now-unemployed
Btw, SOX testing sucks. It may help catch fraud from a low level employee, even mid management, however if the fraud was from the top, even a fully integrated audit would likely not find it.
Btw, SOX testing sucks. It may help catch fraud from a low level employee, even mid management, however if the fraud was from the top, even a fully integrated audit would likely not find it.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Dec 14, 2011 5:31am
Not to mention that SOX compliance is a huge waste of resources and a hit on legitimate profitability.iclfan2;1014130 wrote:Occupiers causing small business to close. Good work : http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-street/2011/12/13/nyc-cafe-close-because-occupiers-90-now-unemployed
Btw, SOX testing sucks. It may help catch fraud from a low level employee, even mid management, however if the fraud was from the top, even a fully integrated audit would likely not find it.
IWP, I do believe that the handful of corporate execs who cheat and break the law should be held accountable. I just don't think it's fair that the sins of a few should wreak havoc upon the many as a result of rules and regulations written by a government that has plenty of its own sins.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Dec 14, 2011 7:11am
i bet the owner of that cafe was part of the 1%!iclfan2;1014130 wrote:Occupiers causing small business to close. Good work : http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-street/2011/12/13/nyc-cafe-close-because-occupiers-90-now-unemployed
Btw, SOX testing sucks. It may help catch fraud from a low level employee, even mid management, however if the fraud was from the top, even a fully integrated audit would likely not find it.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 15, 2011 2:15pm
The owner of that cafe wanted the barricades removed even during the protests. The barricades weren't placed there by OWS but by the mayor and police.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 15, 2011 2:17pm
Okay then how do you get the executives to be able to be prosecuted if you don't make them sign off on the financial statements which SOX does? Because without that you make it so they can just say, like they did forever, "well I wasn't aware of it blah blah blah" and not be charged.believer;1014312 wrote:Not to mention that SOX compliance is a huge waste of resources and a hit on legitimate profitability.
IWP, I do believe that the handful of corporate execs who cheat and break the law should be held accountable. I just don't think it's fair that the sins of a few should wreak havoc upon the many as a result of rules and regulations written by a government that has plenty of its own sins.
What is your solution for that problem then?
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Dec 15, 2011 8:48pm
what about the rest of the owners in that area? why couldnt the protestors just respect his business?I Wear Pants;1016051 wrote:The owner of that cafe wanted the barricades removed even during the protests. The barricades weren't placed there by OWS but by the mayor and police.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 15, 2011 9:46pm
How did they not respect it? Did they vandalize it or something? If there weren't barricades the dude probably would have seen business from normal people and protesters alike.Glory Days;1016495 wrote:what about the rest of the owners in that area? why couldnt the protestors just respect his business?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 15, 2011 11:05pm
I wonder why they put the barricades there? Hmmmmmmmm? :rolleyes:
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 16, 2011 12:04am
To block people from walking on the sidewalks. Yes, that most necessary of our government operations.WebFire;1016661 wrote:I wonder why they put the barricades there? Hmmmmmmmm? :rolleyes:
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Dec 16, 2011 7:26am
do you really want me to post the news stories of the business owners bitching about the protestors just walking in trashing the places and not even spending money at the businesses?I Wear Pants;1016545 wrote:How did they not respect it? Did they vandalize it or something? If there weren't barricades the dude probably would have seen business from normal people and protesters alike.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Dec 16, 2011 7:27am
i thought about saying this, but did you really think any responsibility would be put on the protestors....OWS and responsibility do not mix.WebFire;1016661 wrote:I wonder why they put the barricades there? Hmmmmmmmm? :rolleyes:
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 16, 2011 12:52pm
But this business owner wanted the barricades removed even during the protests. Why would the police not listen to that and remove them from in front of the business is my question?Glory Days;1016813 wrote:do you really want me to post the news stories of the business owners bitching about the protestors just walking in trashing the places and not even spending money at the businesses?
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Dec 16, 2011 2:29pm
To be fair, the cafe owner was only in business for 6 months. My guess is he was heading for closure with or without this. He's just taking a page out of the OWS playbook blaming others for his own failures.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 16, 2011 3:31pm
Also note that any vandalism and the other shit that happened besides protesting I'm not cool with.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 21, 2011 1:24am
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/19/occupy-protest-outside-obamas-des-moines-office-continues-without-police-action/
"They were there to demand that President Obama veto the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and the omnibus spending bill. "
Yeah, bunch of crazies.
"They were there to demand that President Obama veto the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and the omnibus spending bill. "
Yeah, bunch of crazies.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Dec 21, 2011 5:39pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=JY8LKII_MNA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Eat the rich; live for a year; then what ......
Eat the rich; live for a year; then what ......
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Dec 22, 2011 3:12pm
What? Did you even read that link about Occupiers being arrested for protesting big government policies and spending?
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Jan 30, 2012 10:37am
Clearly this is no longer about Wall Street and has become more about a violent path to anarchy
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/25/MNB31MUEM8.DTL&tsp=1
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/30/occupy-oakland-s-violent-turn-proves-the-movement-has-lost-its-way.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/25/MNB31MUEM8.DTL&tsp=1
http://www.newsday.com/business/police-use-tear-gas-on-occupy-oakland-protesters-1.3486838"Occupy Oakland protesters say they will gather outside City Hall on Saturday, march to an undisclosed vacant building and commandeer the space as a social center and political headquarters for the movement.
If police prevent the seizure, the protesters warned Wednesday, they will take further actions. Possibilities include future blockades of Oakland International Airport, the Port of Oakland or City Hall, according to a letter to the city from Occupy Oakland."
"The city won't guarantee the 99 percent what we need for a healthy community, like housing, education and basic health care," said Martha Lincoln, a 34-year-old graduate student, reading from a statement by a group of Occupy Oakland medics. "So we are reclaiming them for ourselves."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/01/occupy-oakland-outrage-grows-after-flag-burned-city-hall-vandalized.htmlOakland police used tear gas and "flash" grenades Saturday to break up hundreds of Occupy protesters after some demonstrators started throwing rocks and flares at officers and tearing down fencing. Three officers were hurt and 19 people were arrested, the Oakland Police Department said. No details on the officers' injuries were released.
Police said the group started assembling at a downtown plaza Saturday morning, with demonstrators threatening to take over the vacant Henry Kaiser Convention Center. The group then marched through the streets, disrupting traffic.
The crowd grew as the day wore on, with afternoon estimates ranging from about 1,000 to 2,000 people.
The protesters walked to the vacant convention center, where some started tearing down perimeter fencing and "destroying construction equipment" shortly before 3 p.m., police said.
Police said they issued a dispersal order and used smoke and tear gas after some protesters pelted them with bottles, rocks, burning flares and other objects.
Most of the arrests were made when protesters ignored orders to leave and assaulted officers, police said. By 4 p.m., the bulk of the crowd had left the convention center and headed back downtown.
Even OWS supporters are starting to lose faith and see what the Occupy group is really about."We're tired of one faction using Oakland as their playground," Mayor Jean Quan said.Arrests from the protest are expected to top 400. Some protesters broke into City Hall. They smashed display cases, cut electrical wires and burned an American flag.
In a morning tour of the damaged City Hall, Quan pointed out that a room with a smashed door and toppled soda machine is used for classes for low-income, first-time homeowners. Several flags that had adorned the grand staircase were missing.
City Council agendas and trash littered the floor in the building's grand lobby. Although some graffiti had already been removed, evidence of the previous night's mayhem was visible in broken display cases.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/30/occupy-oakland-s-violent-turn-proves-the-movement-has-lost-its-way.html
OWS needs to adapt. It needs to come to its senses and better involve us, the youth. It’s time to occupy foreclosed homes, not city halls—and engage in politics, not street level scuffles with police.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 30, 2012 11:05am
LOL @ OWS. Such a joke of an organization, they no idea what peaceful protests are, nor their rights as citizens. I'm all for protest, even a little bit of civil disobedience(non-violent only), but this is an absolute fraud. Throw these people in jail.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 30, 2012 11:16am
I didn't even know it was still going on.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 30, 2012 11:21am
It still is going on, but its definitely died down. The protests in Oakland continue to get worse though, that's probably closer to ground zero of the movement than anywhere else.WebFire;1069915 wrote:I didn't even know it was still going on.