Texas A&M just joined the SEC...well maybe

Home ▸ Archive ▸ College Sports ▸ Texas A&M just joined the SEC...well maybe
SportsAndLady's avatar

SportsAndLady

Senior Member

35,632 posts
Aug 14, 2011 1:08 PM
jordo212000;861990 wrote:Kansas isn't nearly as attractive because their football program sucks. It's all about football

Lol jordo you're not gonna be able to get USC, Florida, and Texas. KU has a national basketball brand, brings the KC market into the Big Ten, and yeah their football program sucks but they were just in a BCS game 3 years ago. You gotta give and take some at this point if you're serious about expanding your conference; you're not going to hit homeruns with every addition.
Aug 14, 2011 1:08pm
sleeper's avatar

sleeper

Legend

27,879 posts
Aug 14, 2011 1:43 PM
Kansas joining will make Indiana look good, and the Big Ten has been trying to make their bottom feeders get the media attention that the SEC bottom feeders get for years now. I mean seriously, does anyone really care about Miss St? No, they are bad, but they seemingly always get a favorable pre-season ranking which wouldn't mean much except it takes 3-4 losses for the AP/coaches poll to drop an SEC team out of the top 25.
Aug 14, 2011 1:43pm
S

sportswizuhrd

Senior Member

3,215 posts
Aug 14, 2011 3:28 PM
sleeper;862029 wrote: I mean seriously, does anyone really care about Miss St? No, they are bad, but they seemingly always get a favorable pre-season ranking which wouldn't mean much except it takes 3-4 losses for the AP/coaches poll to drop an SEC team out of the top 25.
Before this year, when was the last time Mississippi State was ranked in the top 25 for the preseason polls?
Aug 14, 2011 3:28pm
ts1227's avatar

ts1227

Senior Member

12,319 posts
Aug 14, 2011 4:03 PM
On ESPN now: SEC met today and said they are happy with the 12 teams, and no action was taken with respect to any institution.

They admitted that if the landscape changes they obviously are willing to make moves, but that seems like a pretty icy reception for A&M right now.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open
Aug 14, 2011 4:03pm
SportsAndLady's avatar

SportsAndLady

Senior Member

35,632 posts
Aug 14, 2011 4:13 PM
Guarantee you a&m just decided to say they were goin to the sec without actually asking the sec
Aug 14, 2011 4:13pm
E

enigmaax

Senior Member

4,511 posts
Aug 14, 2011 4:15 PM
ts1227;862131 wrote:On ESPN now: SEC met today and said they are happy with the 12 teams, and no action was taken with respect to any institution.

They admitted that if the landscape changes they obviously are willing to make moves, but that seems like a pretty icy reception for A&M right now.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-secexpansion
The Southeastern Conference says it’s sticking with its 12-school membership for now.

A statement from University of Florida President Bernie Machen, the chairman of the league’s presidents and chancellors committee, says the group met Sunday and “reaffirmed our satisfaction with the present 12 institutional alignment.”

Machen says no action was taken regarding Texas A&M or any other schools.

However, Machen didn’t close the door on future growth. He says the group talked about the criteria and process associated with expanding should the league choose to grow in the future.

The Aggies are reportedly seeking to leave the Big 12. The Texas A&M System board of regents has a meeting slated for Monday that includes an agenda item about conference alignment.
Aug 14, 2011 4:15pm
T

the_system

Senior Member

465 posts
Aug 14, 2011 4:15 PM
ts1227;862131 wrote:On ESPN now: SEC met today and said they are happy with the 12 teams, and no action was taken with respect to any institution.

They admitted that if the landscape changes they obviously are willing to make moves, but that seems like a pretty icy reception for A&M right now.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open

I'd be curious as to what is really going on. This is the 2nd time in like 6 months that A&M was flirting with the SEC. Is the SEC giving them false hope and then deciding at the last minute they don't want them? Is A&M just using it for leverage against the LHN/B12?
Aug 14, 2011 4:15pm
E

enigmaax

Senior Member

4,511 posts
Aug 14, 2011 4:17 PM
The SEC said all along that Texas A&M approached them.
Aug 14, 2011 4:17pm
karen lotz's avatar

karen lotz

TuTu Train

22,284 posts
Aug 14, 2011 4:19 PM
Could just be the SEC dragging their feet until they find a 2nd school to join with A&M.
Aug 14, 2011 4:19pm
N

NilesPacMan

Senior Member

452 posts
Aug 14, 2011 4:22 PM
My bet is that they could not agree on a fourteenth team, and that this response is one of postponement of the issue until the end of the college football season. Instead of forcing this issue and grabbing someone who is willing, but not necessarily the best for the conference, they just decided to put this on the back-burner. I'm willing to bet that this offseason is going to be plenty juicy for this type of thing, and I wouldn't be surprised if Texas A&M would be invited with a better plan for the future sometime next year.

If I'm the Pac-12, though, I'm gonna realize that I got to find four decent squads to fill to sixteen if this super-conference thing comes through. Honestly, Colorado and Utah aren't really the cream of the crop they were looking for in the last expansion, and I think they definitely want to make a bigger splash. With this rejection of Texas A&M, the Pac-12 might offer Texas A&M if they can get Texas Tech to come along with them, and then, push for Oklahoma and Oklahoma State again.

The seeds are already starting to fall, and even though this expansion didn't happen, it's definitely pushing the college landscape closer to the super-conferences. I don't think it's that much of a matter of, if, anymore, but when.
Aug 14, 2011 4:22pm
E

El Jefe Grande

Some Guy

425 posts
Aug 14, 2011 4:40 PM
The Big 12-2 needs TCU.
Aug 14, 2011 4:40pm
darbypitcher22's avatar

darbypitcher22

Senior Member

8,000 posts
Aug 14, 2011 4:45 PM
guess this was kind of all for nothing at the current moment
Aug 14, 2011 4:45pm
E

enigmaax

Senior Member

4,511 posts
Aug 14, 2011 4:48 PM
El Jefe Grande;862203 wrote:The Big 12-2 needs TCU.

TCU didn't do anything for the conference for 40 years. Just because they won a few games when they downgraded doesn't mean they're suddenly a game changer.
Aug 14, 2011 4:48pm
jordo212000's avatar

jordo212000

Senior Member

10,664 posts
Aug 14, 2011 5:27 PM
enigmaax;862220 wrote:TCU didn't do anything for the conference for 40 years. Just because they won a few games when they downgraded doesn't mean they're suddenly a game changer.

TCU has been a good program for some time. They didnt just start winning this year
Aug 14, 2011 5:27pm
jordo212000's avatar

jordo212000

Senior Member

10,664 posts
Aug 14, 2011 5:33 PM
SportsAndLady;862006 wrote:Lol jordo you're not gonna be able to get USC, Florida, and Texas. KU has a national basketball brand, brings the KC market into the Big Ten, and yeah their football program sucks but they were just in a BCS game 3 years ago. You gotta give and take some at this point if you're serious about expanding your conference; you're not going to hit homeruns with every addition.

You haven't been paying attention if you think Kansas is a major target for the Big 10. If they are going to add schools, they are going to add teams that can contribute in football first. Just look back at this past time. Missouri was a target and Kansas was not. There were alot of nervous people in Kansas.

Why else would the PAC 10 choose Utah? Haha. It's about football
Aug 14, 2011 5:33pm
E

enigmaax

Senior Member

4,511 posts
Aug 14, 2011 5:50 PM
jordo212000;862269 wrote:TCU has been a good program for some time. They didnt just start winning this year

Yep, a good program for a few years at the second tier level. There's a big difference between recruiting the state of Texas against teams like New Mexico and Colorado State and recruiting the state against Texas and Oklahoma. They had 6 winning seasons in 40 years and don't "own" a market (Big XII is already prominent in Texas, including Dallas/Ft. Worth). They wouldn't bring anything but a body to keep the league alive and there's a reason they were left behind when the Big XII orginally formed and why they weren't considered last year when Nebraska and Colorado bolted.

They may eventually be back, but it won't be because "The Big 12-2 needs TCU."
Aug 14, 2011 5:50pm
Fab1b's avatar

Fab1b

The Bald A-Hole!!

12,949 posts
Aug 14, 2011 6:10 PM
CBS just said SEC not extending invitation to A&M
Aug 14, 2011 6:10pm
E

El Jefe Grande

Some Guy

425 posts
Aug 14, 2011 7:22 PM
enigmaax;862220 wrote:TCU didn't do anything for the conference for 40 years. Just because they won a few games when they downgraded doesn't mean they're suddenly a game changer.

TCU has finished in the Top 25 eight out of the last eleven seasons and are recruiting players that would normally play for Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, etc.
Aug 14, 2011 7:22pm
E

enigmaax

Senior Member

4,511 posts
Aug 14, 2011 7:45 PM
El Jefe Grande;862374 wrote:TCU has finished in the Top 25 eight out of the last eleven seasons and are recruiting players that would normally play for Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, etc.

TCU has signed 13 4-star recruits, total, in the last four years including their commitments for 2012. Texas has more than that in their 2012 class, alone.

There's been a big media sentiment for these middle-of-the-pack programs that keeps them in the top 25. Yes, TCU, Utah, BYU, and Boise have passed some sort of threshold on the rest of the mid-major world. It does not mean that they're on equal footing with the real elite in the country. They win games and people have a soft spot for underdogs so the perspective on their success gets all distorted. These schools are better than the mid-major types of 25 years ago, but it doesn't mean they're "there" yet.

TCU is in a good spot with the Big East because that conference is filled with similar teams. Louisville was breaking out while in CUSA. Cincy, well, Cincy never really did much. South Florida was a new program in a hotbed of talent. UConn is another newcomer. Rutgers is historically terrible. WVU, Syracuse, and Pitt have have had moderate success with a few outstanding seasons every now and then. Put all of these schools in a hat and start drawing names - everyone is going to have a chance when the competition is all comparable. Put any one of those teams in another BCS conference and they will immediately be relegated to middle/low status.
Aug 14, 2011 7:45pm
E

El Jefe Grande

Some Guy

425 posts
Aug 14, 2011 7:59 PM
The Longhorns finished 5-7 last season with their stellar recruiting classes.

TCU won the Rose Bowl.
Aug 14, 2011 7:59pm
T

the_system

Senior Member

465 posts
Aug 14, 2011 8:08 PM
El Jefe Grande;862407 wrote:The Longhorns finished 5-7 last season with their stellar recruiting classes.

TCU won the Rose Bowl.
The only facts that really matter:

TCU = no new market
TCU = can't consistently sell out their 40,000 seat stadium even when they're playing in the Rose Bowl that year.
TCU = no national following. Only 8,000ish students.
TCU = worst pick ever if the B12 did it.
Aug 14, 2011 8:08pm
E

enigmaax

Senior Member

4,511 posts
Aug 14, 2011 8:09 PM
El Jefe Grande;862407 wrote:The Longhorns finished 5-7 last season with their stellar recruiting classes.

TCU won the Rose Bowl.

Yeah, thats cool. TCU also went 35 years between conference titles the last time they tried a conference with Texas, with TWO bowl games in between. Like I said, it is a whole different ball game when you're going head-to-head for recruits and playing the same competition every week.
Aug 14, 2011 8:09pm
E

El Jefe Grande

Some Guy

425 posts
Aug 14, 2011 8:32 PM
the_system;862412 wrote:The only facts that really matter:

TCU = no new market
TCU = can't consistently sell out their 40,000 seat stadium even when they're playing in the Rose Bowl that year.
TCU = no national following. Only 8,000ish students.
TCU = worst pick ever if the B12 did it.

Valid.
Valid.
Valid.
Subjective.
Aug 14, 2011 8:32pm
E

enigmaax

Senior Member

4,511 posts
Aug 14, 2011 8:39 PM
El Jefe Grande;862427 wrote:Subjective.

Definitely. Those new WAC teams from Texas might be worse picks, at least for the short term.
Aug 14, 2011 8:39pm
E

El Jefe Grande

Some Guy

425 posts
Aug 14, 2011 8:45 PM
enigmaax;862413 wrote:Yeah, thats cool. TCU also went 35 years between conference titles the last time they tried a conference with Texas, with TWO bowl games in between. Like I said, it is a whole different ball game when you're going head-to-head for recruits and playing the same competition every week.
I lived in Texas for several years, and witnessed first-hand the football politics. I am familiar with the history of the Southwestern Conference and its demise. TCU would win their fair share of games in the Big 12, and currently recruit head-to-head.
Aug 14, 2011 8:45pm