jhay78;746121 wrote:Disagree. Ryan's plan carries far more political risk it today's climate. It's waaay easier to promise free this, free that, unlimited entitlements, handouts for the poor and (insert victimized class here), and then to demagogue and whine when someone says "Umm, we can't sustain this for too much longer", than it is to basically say, "There's no such thing as a free lunch".

And Ryan was the first to come up with a real "plan"; Obama's speech was a reaction, and then everyone else did their posturing.

gut;744080 wrote:I'd like to see someone ask a very simple question:

"You talk about not cutting benefits and instead want to focus on bringing down costs. Why can't you cut benefits and then focus on bringing down costs so that the negative impact is reduced or eliminated? " That way we don't get, you know, screwed if you don't do what you say you're going to do.

.........
CEO: "Frank, your operation is losing $1M this year. We need you to cut spending"
Frank: "Well, actually I have a plan to reduce those costs in future years"

CEO: "So we'll be spending less in future years?"
Frank: "No, actually we'll still spend more, but our revenues will start growing faster"

CEO: "But we're still going to lose $1M THIS year"
Frank: "Actually, we'll lose $2M, but we'll save $5M over the next 10 years"

CEO: "So, over the next 10 years we'll net a $3M profit?"
Frank: "I project we'll lose $7M, but that's only -$0.7M per year which is way better than -$2M this year!"
CEO "#winner"


Who the fuck would run a business like that?

jhay78;746121 wrote:Disagree. Ryan's plan carries far more political risk it today's climate. It's waaay easier to promise free this, free that, unlimited entitlements, handouts for the poor and (insert victimized class here), and then to demagogue and whine when someone says "Umm, we can't sustain this for too much longer", than it is to basically say, "There's no such thing as a free lunch".

And Ryan was the first to come up with a real "plan"; Obama's speech was a reaction, and then everyone else did their posturing.

Writerbuckeye;746316 wrote:Joke or not, it's light years better and ahead of anything the party in power has come up with.

Hell, the Dems couldn't even come up with a budget when they had all three seats of power.

KnightRyder;746198 wrote:his plan is a joke. once again lowering taxes for the wealthy . his health care plan is basically cost shifting to seniors a plan that cost 60 percent more than medicare. and once again defense isnt touched. the numbers dont add up

fish82;746858 wrote:Can I make a suggestion? I submit that every time someone regurgitates the words "taxes" and "wealthy" in the same sentence that everyone drinks.

Thread Bomber;747122 wrote:Boy, it sure would be nice to have that trillion we spent in Iraq back...

I believe that ^^^^ is what Trump is saying by his desire to acquire some Iraqi oil fields.

BGFalcons82;747141 wrote: I believe that ^^^^ is what Trump is saying by his desire to acquire some Iraqi oil fields.

ptown_trojans_1;747241 wrote:The U.S. cannot and should not take Iraq oil fields.

QuakerOats;747025 wrote:obama was addressing a group the other day and his exact words were: "we cannot spend more than we take in ...." I darn near wrecked the car when I heard that.

Here is the ALL-TIME BIGGEST DEFICIT SPENDER AND DEBT CREATOR IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD actually expecting THE PEOPLE to believe his (new) lies. That points once again straight to his massive arrogance. What a complete sham this man is.

Change we can believe in ...........

"Their basic view is that no matter how successful I am, no matter how much I've taken from this country... I now have no obligation to people who are less fortunate than me, and I have no real obligation to future generations to make investments so they have a better future."

jhay78;747686 wrote:He acts like wealth is public property. That quote tells you all you need to know about the Class-Warfarist-in-Chief.

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/04/20/obama-launches-sickening-class-war-assault-against-republicans

Writerbuckeye;746316 wrote:Joke or not, it's light years better and ahead of anything the party in power has come up with.

Hell, the Dems couldn't even come up with a budget when they had all three seats of power.

Now there's leadership.

KnightRyder;747795 wrote:when it comes to health care the dems do have a plan actually they have ,The Affordable Care Act. ever hear of it?it’s built atop a theory that actually makes sense, because it focuses on making medical care cheaper rather than changing who pays for insurance.

CenterBHSFan;748055 wrote:Where does the money come from in order to make it cheaper?

KnightRyder;747795 wrote:when it comes to health care the dems do have a plan actually they have ,The Affordable Care Act. ever hear of it?it’s built atop a theory that actually makes sense, because it focuses on making medical care cheaper rather than changing who pays for insurance.

ptown_trojans_1;748746 wrote:Nothing earth shattering, but shows that even in Ryan's district, the sell is hard. Doesn't make the plan wrong, but it is going to take large amounts of political capital to pass it.

believer;748749 wrote:Here's the thing that keeps being ignored: While Ryan's plan may not be perfect, the fact remains it is at the very least a plan and it's on the table for all to see despite its flaws.

When the critics have the courage to reveal their own plan, then I cannot fathom why some are so hellbent to condemn and dismiss this one.

Writerbuckeye;748770 wrote:This. How about taking this plan (since it's the only real one on the table) and start working together with the goal of reducing spending and the deficit.

Instead, we're getting lots of criticism and no proposals from the other side. Perhaps the Dems would like to be known as the Party of Nothing.

As for claiming ObamaCare saves money -- that old chestnut has long been debunked. Whatever number the CBO came out with is garbage because the numbers they were given to work with were also garbage.

KnightRyder;748776 wrote:is there not a budget plan by the CPC ? or is this the only plan because it came from a republican

Writerbuckeye;748807 wrote:Good Lord. How about a REAL budget plan since Democrats are the party that controls two of the three stations of power in the government?

Why wasn't there a budget proposal out there ALREADY from when Democrats controlled ALL the power in the government?

Writerbuckeye;748807 wrote:Good Lord. How about a REAL budget plan since Democrats are the party that controls two of the three stations of power in the government?

Why wasn't there a budget proposal out there ALREADY from when Democrats controlled ALL the power in the government?

The CPC is a sub group of the party that has the power. There should be a more mainstream budget proposal already. The fact that there is not, only shows how incompetent Democrats have been since they came to power with Obama.