Is Anarchy the future of 2012

Look around America and look in the mirror what do you see… anarchy, civil unrest, street violence, supply storages….. States faces an billion budget deficit, oil pricing per barrel topping 100.00 going up, additional forcloser, increase unemployment 9.0 ( you lie), immigration riots…. and the potential for another recession..
How close are we to seeing Union violence in our streets will that be the breaking point...
http://cofcc.org/2011/02/democrat-congressman-urges-union-violence/

Question for the OC are we getting close to seeing anarchy in America 2012?

Whoa, lay off the doom and gloom and Glenn Beck there haha.

No, we'll be fine. We have made it through worse.

The whole Mayan calender, end of days, hysteria will continue to ramp up. Has anyone paid attention to the programming the History channel has aired over the last several seasons? Unreal coverage of it, it will get worse (programming).

Personally, I think we're in for a hell of a ride.

Belly, you're more gloom and doom than usual. Are you sober?

I don't think 2012 is the year, maybe 2020? It's whenever we finally tell the truth to the American people that we are broke and all your entitlements are belong to us.

sleeper;688874 wrote:... all your entitlements are belong to us.

Well-played, you heathen.

I've always felt that the spirit of America was in its ability to overcome adversity. I see no reason to doubt that now or at any time in the future.

O-Trap;688872 wrote:Belly, you're more gloom and doom than usual. Are you sober?

Sorry I will do better tomorrow
Two companies are not doing well, cut as deep as possible, looking to maybe slow down but just can bring myself to that point without securing more for the future, hate the thought of thinking I failed, concerned for the future of my wife, my kids and grandkids, looking for ways to raise $250,000 for my grandson surgery for ears, taking some financial loses the last two years and the list could go on…. I’m a very positive person but I am realistic of what going on around me that how I survive.
I don’t like what I’m seeing ….but believe in people doing the right thing and that does give me confidence that things will get better …just when and at what cost…
In my 60 years plus of living, working and in business….I haven’t seen it this bad.

I know I will survive whatever happens because that what I do best… my concerned is for others..

Belly35;688945 wrote:Sorry I will do better tomorrow
Two companies are not doing well, cut as deep as possible, looking to maybe slow down but just can bring myself to that point without securing more for the future, hate the thought of thinking I failed, concerned for the future of my wife, my kids and grandkids, looking for ways to raise $250,000 for my grandson surgery for ears, taking some financial loses the last two years and the list could go on…. I’m a very positive person but I am realistic of what going on around me that how I survive.
I don’t like what I’m seeing ….but believe in people doing the right thing and that does give me confidence that things will get better …just when and at what cost…
In my 60 years plus of living, working and in business….I haven’t seen it this bad.

I know I will survive whatever happens because that what I do best… my concerned is for others..

Damn.

Well, as you're pretty savvy in that respect, I suppose you know that the market will work itself out like it always has: survival of the fittest when the economy takes a dump. It's not pretty, but it's how you keep a market lean and able to get through the rough spots.

I feel for your troubles Belly but I think you and many others are taking things way too far in the "world ending/anarchy/we're all gonna die" direction.

Sleeper, well done. I got a chuckle out of it.

I'm not all gloom and doom yet, but I do think this union thing (WI, IN, OH) is going to escalate and/or spread to other states soon. One concern I have is when I see protesters with signs comparing Boehner/Kasich/Walker, etc. to Mubarak, Qadafi, etc., and legitimizing their cause by comparing themselves with the pro-democracy crowds in the Middle East.

I know every protest has nutjobs with nutjob signs here and there, but turn on the TV and there are people protesting around the globe right now. I just wonder what would happen if there were a small spark here, like a severe spike in fuel and/or food prices, or something to that effect. Just wondering . . .

That would be the dumbest rioting reason ever. "We're being oppressed by our democratically elected representatives who have term limits!"

The people who are comparing them to Mubarak, Qadafi (especially Qadafi) are idiots. Plan and simple.

I Wear Pants;688981 wrote:That would be the dumbest rioting reason ever. "We're being oppressed by our democratically elected representatives who have term limits!"

The people who are comparing them to Mubarak, Qadafi (especially Qadafi) are idiots. Plan and simple.

THIS!

jhay78;688972 wrote:I'm not all gloom and doom yet, but I do think this union thing (WI, IN, OH) is going to escalate and/or spread to other states soon. One concern I have is when I see protesters with signs comparing Boehner/Kasich/Walker, etc. to Mubarak, Qadafi, etc., and legitimizing their cause by comparing themselves with the pro-democracy crowds in the Middle East.

I know every protest has nutjobs with nutjob signs here and there, but turn on the TV and there are people protesting around the globe right now. I just wonder what would happen if there were a small spark here, like a severe spike in fuel and/or food prices, or something to that effect. Just wondering . . .

Ehh,we have had worse Union riots, at the turn of the last century. There was also the whole Great Depression thing and people still survived.
People comparing Madison to Egypt are idiots and one cannot seriously make a comparison to either. Two separate issues.

If food and gas prices explode, people will protest, but it won't lead to mass riots. All people did was complain about $4.00 a gallon gas and just changed habits. I see that. Riots won't happen unless we have super inflation, which I do not see at all.

Americans, now a days, just adapt, go with the flow and change their lifestyles.

ytownfootball;688866 wrote:The whole Mayan calender, end of days, hysteria will continue to ramp up. Has anyone paid attention to the programming the History channel has aired over the last several seasons? Unreal coverage of it, it will get worse (programming).

Personally, I think we're in for a hell of a ride.

It has already come out that the "experts" misinterpreted the mayan calendars and that the world will not be coming to an end on 12-21-2012. I'll be partying the night prior just in case though!

ptown_trojans_1;689042 wrote:If food and gas prices explode, people will protest, but it won't lead to mass riots. All people did was complain about $4.00 a gallon gas and just changed habits. I see that. Riots won't happen unless we have super inflation, which I do not see at all.

If oil keeps a-risin by $9/day, the days of $5+ gas aren't far behind. If this happens, the phrase....Drill Baby Drill come to mind front and center. What Will Barry Do? He'll be hearin this chant loud and clear over and over and over and over and....

BTW - super inflation is the current path the regime is on in order to eliminate the debt. If $10 today is tomorrow's $1,000, it won't take any time at all to pay off $15,000,000,000,000!!! Of course, bread will be $5,000 and milk will be $3,000 per half gallon, but what the hell, eh? The debt and deficit situation will be solved and the Tea Party will be long gone!! LMMFAO!!

BGFalcons82;689297 wrote:If oil keeps a-risin by $9/day, the days of $5+ gas aren't far behind. If this happens, the phrase....Drill Baby Drill come to mind front and center. What Will Barry Do? He'll be hearin this chant loud and clear over and over and over and over and....

BTW - super inflation is the current path the regime is on in order to eliminate the debt. If $10 today is tomorrow's $1,000, it won't take any time at all to pay off $15,000,000,000,000!!! Of course, bread will be $5,000 and milk will be $3,000 per half gallon, but what the hell, eh? The debt and deficit situation will be solved and the Tea Party will be long gone!! LMMFAO!!

The only way gas rises to $5 a gallon is if Saudi Arabia falls. I don't see that happening. I also fail to see how immediate drilling decreases the price of oil. Even if we drill now, we won;t see the benefits for years.

I also do not see hyperinflation, in fact I see the opposite, deflation. Prices are slowly going up, but the overall market is seeing things shrink.

ptown_trojans_1;689315 wrote:I also do not see hyperinflation, in fact I see the opposite, deflation. Prices are slowly going up, but the overall market is seeing things shrink.

Come on, ptown. Grain prices are at record highs. Cotton is at an all-time high. Grains came down a fraction the past day or two because the speculators and investors are going GA-GA over oil. They've placed their bets on oil going through the roof...again. Go to the grocery store if you think prices are deflating. You'll be shocked at what you find. The fact we're paying farmers NOT TO FARM and selling corn for "green fuels" is also pushing prices higher. All of the pressure is upward, ptown. Nothing is deflating right now.

Oil is on the 2nd highest price curve of all time, and $145/barrell oil is only a few days away if the current trend continues. Believe me, I'm not hoping for it, but the unrest in the Middle East isn't dying down, Ghaddafi is murdering his own people, Iran is sending warships through the Suez Canal, Achmedinenutjob rattles his sabre hourly, and the Saudis are so silent...it's deafening. All of this turmoil is making the oil suppliers rich and harming the oil consumers. This country is driven by oil....make it too expensive and you'll see revolts. Peaceful at first. If prices continue to skyrocket, who knows, eh???

Ehh, yeah, guess I don't feel like Chicken Little.
Commodity prices are high, but I don't see hyperinflation.

Oil, things will level out as the Saudis push up output, much like they did a few years ago. Gas will go up near 4.00, but will level, then drop.
Yes, the region is unstable, but the global market always seems to even itself out.

BGFalcons82;689343 wrote:Come on, ptown. Grain prices are at record highs. Cotton is at an all-time high. Grains came down a fraction the past day or two because the speculators and investors are going GA-GA over oil. They've placed their bets on oil going through the roof...again. Go to the grocery store if you think prices are deflating. You'll be shocked at what you find. The fact we're paying farmers NOT TO FARM and selling corn for "green fuels" is also pushing prices higher. All of the pressure is upward, ptown. Nothing is deflating right now.

Oil is on the 2nd highest price curve of all time, and $145/barrell oil is only a few days away if the current trend continues. Believe me, I'm not hoping for it, but the unrest in the Middle East isn't dying down, Ghaddafi is murdering his own people, Iran is sending warships through the Suez Canal, Achmedinenutjob rattles his sabre hourly, and the Saudis are so silent...it's deafening. All of this turmoil is making the oil suppliers rich and harming the oil consumers. This country is driven by oil....make it too expensive and you'll see revolts. Peaceful at first. If prices continue to skyrocket, who knows, eh???

And yet conservatives like you balk at any attempt to get away from our oil dependancy.

And drilling wouldn't lessen the price of oil.

I Wear Pants;689468 wrote:And yet conservatives like you balk at any attempt to get away from our oil dependancy.

And drilling wouldn't lessen the price of oil.

I think it's more along the lines of Conservatives wanting the change to be a slow transition, which I honestly don't think is completely unreasonable.

Current automobiles were intended to run on fossil fuel, as is construction equipment and much else. We've begun with electric cars, but they're fairly new. As time goes on, however, they'll become more prevalent.

Really, it's like any new technology. Remember tape decks? They phased out, but not overnight. Same should apply here, and any oil company that isn't entrenched in researching alternative fuels is behind the tsunami, and is going to struggle, as that's where we're headed, and that's where they need to start heading as well.

I nor anyone has ever suggested an overnight transition. But I know many people who mock and act like any attempts to either get more efficiency or move away from compustion engines is ridiculous and crazy "liberal pussy talk".

I Wear Pants;689619 wrote:I nor anyone has ever suggested an overnight transition. But I know many people who mock and act like any attempts to either get more efficiency or move away from compustion engines is ridiculous and crazy "liberal pussy talk".

160 years of oil resources within the confines of America at the present consuming rate. Drill, drill and drill. With new technology, addition engine development and other methods of extraction is could be extended to 250 years. Providing additional time to create the best solution for future “long term” energy solution.
I think what happening now is a random, hap hazard solution for profit “throw it against the wall a see what sticks mentality”.
I’m in support of alterative energy, massive transportation, and research but not at the cost of jobs, worthless legislation, short term solutions and handcuffing America progress in the world market.


Back to the topic please…. Is Anarchy the future of 2012

Belly35;689706 wrote:... I’m in support of alterative energy, massive transportation, and research but not at the cost of jobs, worthless legislation, short term solutions and handcuffing America progress in the world market.

+1

ptown_trojans_1;689315 wrote:The only way gas rises to $5 a gallon is if Saudi Arabia falls. I don't see that happening. I also fail to see how immediate drilling decreases the price of oil. Even if we drill now, we won;t see the benefits for years.

I also do not see hyperinflation, in fact I see the opposite, deflation. Prices are slowly going up, but the overall market is seeing things shrink.

Looks like you might want to get your wallet out because Saudi Arabia is next with the announcement of protest starting and a major protest planned for March 11.Our great president will sit back and enjoy the show and then the United States will be next with the protest slowly spreading across the country.Once people can't afford to buy food or gas then the rioting will begin and Mr.Obama can move on to his next step in systematically destroying our country.