Ty Webb;674564 wrote:Well...considering that pretty much every indicator and analyast has said unemployment will be around 8 % this time next year,I highly doubt he will have to worry about that


Also, 10% unemployment didn't hurt Reagan's re-election campaign did it?

Probably because on Election Day 1984 it was 7.2%. :rolleyes:

Are those the same "analyasts" who said it wouldn't go above 8% to start with?

Reagan is nothing special anyways.....I've never understood this great fascination with a man that never really accomplished anything

Ty Webb;674580 wrote:I've never understood this great fascination with a man that never really accomplished anything

Oh the irony ...

O-Trap;674593 wrote:Oh the irony ...

You may not like it,but Obama has accomplished in 2 years more than Ronald Reagan in 8 years

Ty Webb;674596 wrote:You may not like it,but Obama has accomplished in 2 years more than Ronald Reagan in 8 years

I'd like to hear how you came to that conclusion.

I, for what it's worth, don't think Reagan was "the best president ever," or even in my lifetime, but your assertion is pretty funny.

BGFalcons82;674154 wrote:We have a new name in the mix.... The Donald. He gave a rousing speech to CPAC - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49268.html

I'm not sure what to think about him as a President. He certainly says the right things. And he knows 1,000-fold more about business than our current economic fool. Thoughts?

When he talks, I like his confidence and the things he has to say. Obama could use a little more of this:

"It's a wonderful forum and an honor to be here," he said. "While I'm not at this time a candidate for the presidency, I will decide by June whether or not I will become one and I will tell you the reason that I'm thinking about it is the US has become a whipping post for the rest of the world. The world is treating us without respect, they are not treating us properly."

He added there was no "quality leadership," and said "the U.S. is becoming the laughingstock of the world."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49268.html#ixzz1Dgge0Mcf

I'll agree with ptown that he's got a little too much baggage, but we'll see.

Ty Webb;674596 wrote:You may not like it,but Obama has accomplished in 2 years more than Ronald Reagan in 8 years

"Accomplished" = wrecked, smashed, ruined, etc.

-Passed Health Care Reform
-Ended One War,on his way to ending another
-New Start Treaty
-Repeal of Don't Ask,Don't Tell
- Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
- New GI Bill for returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan

That's just a few

Ty Webb;674596 wrote:You may not like it,but Obama has accomplished in 2 years more than Ronald Reagan in 8 years

You are the best poster on this site. Please never leave!!!!

jhay78;674610 wrote:"Accomplished" = wrecked, smashed, ruined, etc.

Bingo. Thus far, President Obama has been the antithesis of accomplishment in the White House.

I don't blame him. I kinda think he was thrust into the position by the party and that he's just in over his head, but that doesn't mean that everything is okay.

Ty Webb;674614 wrote:-Passed Health Care Reform
-Ended One War,on his way to ending another
-New Start Treaty
-Repeal of Don't Ask,Don't Tell
- Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
- New GI Bill for returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan

That's just a few

Ugh, I'm a fan of Reagan, mainly the second term, but is the best President since Ike in my view.
I'm a foreign policy guy, so I'll stick there with Reagan:
-Launched and supported aid to the Mujahdeen in Afghanistan-the war that literally sucked the life out of the Soviet Union.
-Beefed up the military to where it was superior to any in the world, even the Soviets
-Used 1983 and the near nuclear war scare of Able Archer to start to turn over a new leaf with the Soviets.
-Worked with Gorbachev, on INF, spoke about eliminating nuclear weapons.
-INF got the ball rolling on START I, started under Reagan, signed and ratified under Bush I.
-Spoke on tearing down the Berlin Wall
-Supported movements in Eastern Europe for reform
-Launched war with Libya that was successful and kept Libya in check.
-Grenada
-Invasion into Lebanon in 1982-right move at the time, just got bogged down into supporting sides instead of staying neutral.
-I'll give him some credit for SDI/ Star Wars. Great idea in theory and did have some impact, often over stated, on the Soviets.


Now, there were downsides (Lebanon, Israel 1982, Iran/ Contra, awful National Security Advisers) But, come on, Reagan was a solid President and pretty much helped finish the job that Truman started in ending the Cold War.

O-Trap;674624 wrote:Bingo. Thus far, President Obama has been the antithesis of accomplishment in the White House.

I don't blame him. I kinda think he was thrust into the position by the party and that he's just in over his head, but that doesn't mean that everything is okay.

-Passed Health Care Reform
-Ended One War,on his way to ending another
-New Start Treaty
-Repeal of Don't Ask,Don't Tell
- Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
- New GI Bill for returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan
- Signed the first major piece of federal gay rights legislation that includes acts of violence against gays under the list of federal hate crimes
-Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees
-Appointed Sonia Sotomayor, the first Latina, to the Supreme Court

ptown_trojans_1;674628 wrote:, but is the best President since Ike in my view.

Your're kidding right?? He's not even close

Ty Webb;674614 wrote:-Passed Health Care Reform
-Ended One War,on his way to ending another
-New Start Treaty
-Repeal of Don't Ask,Don't Tell
- Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
- New GI Bill for returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan

That's just a few

He SIGNED the Healthcare reform. Congress passed it. Also, if it gets repealed, that will be a net-0 'accomplishment'.

The war ending was already planned.

The StART Treaty ... I get the danger of a nuclear conflict, and I don't like the turn of virtually all defense having nuclear capability, but in a nutshell, all this did was provide for less of the common defense.

DADT ... Okay, I'll give you that. I'm actually glad he did this.

No-Bid Defense contracts were ending no matter who was president (see John McCain's position on them). For what it's worth, I'm also glad this happened, though. No-bid contracts were a fiscal sinkhole.

GI Bill ... again, all Congress. Obama didn't need to do anything here.

Ty Webb;674634 wrote:Your're kidding right?? He's not even close

Ok, I'm assuming you are putting either Clinton or JFK above Reagan then?
That's fine, Clinton had some awful foreign policy choices, but was helped by the economy like Reagan. But, in my view, Reagan's overall foreign policy puts him ahead of Clinton.
JFK was great, but with only a 3 year sample, hard to gauge. It was great, but overall Reagan had more successes.

My list since WWII in my view:
1. Truman
2. Ike
3. Reagan
4. JFK
5. Nixon
6. Bush I
7. Clinton
8. Obama
9. Johnson
10. Ford
11. Bush II
12. Carter

Ty Webb;674629 wrote:- Signed the first major piece of federal gay rights legislation that includes acts of violence against gays under the list of federal hate crimes
-Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees
-Appointed Sonia Sotomayor, the first Latina, to the Supreme Court

Allowed the State Department to do something? That's not an accomplishment. That's choosing not to do anything. I agree with it, but calling it an "accomplishment" is hilarious.

Appointed a judge. Good for him. It's no more or less difficult to do just because she's ethnically different. Historic, but no more difficult.

ptown_trojans_1;674637 wrote:Ok, I'm assuming you are putting either Clinton or JFK above Reagan then?
That's fine, Clinton had some awful foreign policy choices, but was helped by the economy like Reagan. But, in my view, Reagan's overall foreign policy puts him ahead of Clinton.
JFK was great, but with only a 3 year sample, hard to gauge. It was great, but overall Reagan had more successes.

That's fair. Reagan's economic policy ... at least what I've looked at ... made me nervous, but I agree with his foreign policy attitude.

Clinton was probably my favorite because he's one of the few (only?) in my lifetime to be fiscally responsible AND socially permissable in positioning.

ptown_trojans_1;674637 wrote:Ok, I'm assuming you are putting either Clinton or JFK above Reagan then?
That's fine, Clinton had some awful foreign policy choices, but was helped by the economy like Reagan. But, in my view, Reagan's overall foreign policy puts him ahead of Clinton.
JFK was great, but with only a 3 year sample, hard to gauge. It was great, but overall Reagan had more successes.

Since Ike

1.Clinton
2.JFK
3.Reagan
4.Obama(will most likely be higher when he is done,only reason he isn't now is because he has only been in office 2 years)
5.Bush 41
6.W
7.Carter
8.Ford
9.Nixon
10.LBJ

Ty Webb;674629 wrote:-Appointed Sonia Sotomayor, the first Latina, to the Supreme Court

It is NOT an accomplishment to appoint someone to the SCOTUS. It's part of the job requirements.

Unless you are saying it is more important to appoint someone based on the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.

Ty Webb;674646 wrote:Since Ike

1.Clinton
2.JFK
3.Reagan
4.Obama(will most likely be higher when he is done,only reason he isn't now is because he has only been in office 2 years)
5.Bush 41
6.W
7.Carter
8.Ford
9.Nixon
10.LBJ

W and Carter above Ford, Nixon and LBJ? Really?

ptown_trojans_1;674651 wrote:W and Carter above Ford, Nixon and LBJ? Really?

LBJ is the worst President in history,Nixon is the 2nd most corrupt,and Ford never did anything

O-Trap;674642 wrote:That's fair. Reagan's economic policy ... at least what I've looked at ... made me nervous, but I agree with his foreign policy attitude.

Clinton was probably my favorite because he's one of the few (only?) in my lifetime to be fiscally responsible AND socially permissable in positioning.

Yeah, with Clinton, it is hard to forget Somalia, Rwanda, the mess of Iraq NFZ, and then the failure to provide leadership when al Qaeda grew during the late 90s thanks to Slick WIlly getting some action.

ptown_trojans_1;674657 wrote:Yeah, with Clinton, it is hard to forget Somalia, Rwanda, the mess of Iraq NFZ, and then the failure to provide leadership when al Qaeda grew during the late 90s thanks to Slick WIlly getting some action.

Yeah. I did forget about Rwanda. I just recall the term "Monica missles." LOL!

Ty Webb;674655 wrote:LBJ is the worst President in history,Nixon is the 2nd most corrupt,and Ford never did anything

Ok...
Nixon, while corrupt, which knocks him down a lot-had the NPT finished and signed, started detente, opened up China, started SALT I and aided Israel during the 73 war. (or at least Kissinger did ha).
LBJ, I agree, Nam kills him, but his other areas like arms control and dialogue with the Soviets bring him up.
Ford, yeah, he did nothing, but neither did Carter though.


Sorry, one of my majors at OSU was History, specifically the Cold War, and then my job in nukes, is to look at the Cold War and its legacy.

ptown_trojans_1;674667 wrote:Ok...
Nixon, while corrupt, which knocks him down a lot-had the NPT finished and signed, started detente, opened up China, started SALT I and aided Israel during the 73 war. (or at least Kissinger did ha).
LBJ, I agree, Nam kills him, but his other areas like arms control and dialogue with the Soviets bring him up.
Ford, yeah, he did nothing, but neither did Carter though.

Kissenger would have been a much better President than Tricky Dick,too bad he couldn't run


Reason I put Carter above Ford is because Ford was bad enough to get beaten by Jimmy Carter

LBJ is a worthless excuse for a President

Ty Webb;674672 wrote:Kissenger would have been a much better President than Tricky Dick,too bad he couldn't run

I dunno. PT makes a good case for the guy, though admittedly, corruption should never be overlooked.

Ty Webb;674672 wrote:Reason I put Carter above Ford is because Ford was bad enough to get beaten by Jimmy Carter

Oh, come on. Public opinion doesn't a good president make.

Ty Webb;674672 wrote:LBJ is a worthless excuse for a President

What is your reasoning for this? I get 'Nam, but is that your only reason for saying so?