Writerbuckeye;637333 wrote:I have no idea whether this is a good move or not -- and I was not a fan of firing Mangini after only two years. I wanted them to revamp the offensive coaching and leave the rest alone for the sake of continuity. Changing coaches every few years will never get you a winning team.

Now it looks like we are officially rebuilding once again.

A new coach, who will likely bring in almost all new coaches, including a defensive coordinator that is unlikely to run the 3-4. So we're REALLY rebuilding from scratch on that side of the ball.

If they can't retain Seely as special teams coach (he's likely gone since he also held an assistant coach's title), then the loss is magnified by quite a bit more, since he had Cleveland's special teams near the top of the league during his tenure.

Like all Browns fans, I want to believe Holmgren has it right and knows what he's doing here. If this turns out to be an ego move (having his guy in place instead of the owner's) or some twisted thing that came about because all these folks have the same agent, then I will likely drop the NFL like I dropped MLB about 10 years ago.

After a while, you just get sick of the ineptitude and realize it's not worth the emotional toll. I'll always treasure the memories I have of learning football while watching the Browns with my father and grandfather, and the important part it played in our family during those years. But those times are long gone, and what has masqueraded as the Browns (somewhat) under Modell and definitely since "the return" hasn't been but a ghost of the proud franchise I grew up with.

I pretty much lost my passion for pro football overall after the Browns were stolen. Having several years without watching one second of an NFL game, really detached me from the sport. Since 1999, I've only watched one NFL playoff game (the Browns were in it, obviously) and no other playoff games or Super Bowls. So it's not like I'm heavily invested in the league, other than watching the Browns.

Honestly, I get tons more enjoyment from college sports these days than I do from anything professional, and that's not going to be changing. It's just a matter of whether I feel like investing myself in another complete rebuild or not.

QuakerOats;637348 wrote:Heck, I like going to high school games more than even college, let alone pro.

SportsAndLady;637352 wrote:Writer no one really cares whether or not you root for the Browns or not...you just spent time typing all that and it literally is retarded.

QuakerOats;637348 wrote:Good thoughts, Writerbuckeye. Heck, I like going to high school games more than even college, let alone pro.

Writerbuckeye;637333 wrote:I have no idea whether this is a good move or not -- and I was not a fan of firing Mangini after only two years. I wanted them to revamp the offensive coaching and leave the rest alone for the sake of continuity. Changing coaches every few years will never get you a winning team.

Now it looks like we are officially rebuilding once again.

A new coach, who will likely bring in almost all new coaches, including a defensive coordinator that is unlikely to run the 3-4. So we're REALLY rebuilding from scratch on that side of the ball.

If they can't retain Seely as special teams coach (he's likely gone since he also held an assistant coach's title), then the loss is magnified by quite a bit more, since he had Cleveland's special teams near the top of the league during his tenure.

Like all Browns fans, I want to believe Holmgren has it right and knows what he's doing here. If this turns out to be an ego move (having his guy in place instead of the owner's) or some twisted thing that came about because all these folks have the same agent, then I will likely drop the NFL like I dropped MLB about 10 years ago.

After a while, you just get sick of the ineptitude and realize it's not worth the emotional toll. I'll always treasure the memories I have of learning football while watching the Browns with my father and grandfather, and the important part it played in our family during those years. But those times are long gone, and what has masqueraded as the Browns (somewhat) under Modell and definitely since "the return" hasn't been but a ghost of the proud franchise I grew up with.

I pretty much lost my passion for pro football overall after the Browns were stolen. Having several years without watching one second of an NFL game, really detached me from the sport. Since 1999, I've only watched one NFL playoff game (the Browns were in it, obviously) and no other playoff games or Super Bowls. So it's not like I'm heavily invested in the league, other than watching the Browns.

Honestly, I get tons more enjoyment from college sports these days than I do from anything professional, and that's not going to be changing. It's just a matter of whether I feel like investing myself in another complete rebuild or not.

CinciX12;637421 wrote:He was 26th in scoring offense with an offense that one could argue was about on pace with Cleveland. I guess Cleveland just wanted the same philosophy type guys in the front office? Because this doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense to me.

SportsAndLady;637483 wrote:I mean you're a great poster writer, but if you dont wanna be a Browns fan, then don't lol don't get on here and whine to us about the organization.

shook_17;637603 wrote:well i guess the good thing is he isn't calling the plays. im willing to bet gil haskell will be our OC. who was john harbaugh before he was hired? who was mike smith before he went to atlanta? i had no idea. im putting all my faith into this front office. we are going to have stability for once. im excited for pat shurmur to see what he can do what colt mccoy. i just hope hes got fire in his belly. im tired of these lame duck coaches. personality wise.

on a side note. why did they have eric mangini on espn to anyalize the hiring of pat shurmur? i mean eric won me over hands down, the first year i didn't trust him but he def had this team on the right track. just wrong place wrong time.. but eric is a stand up guy, he had nothing but good to say about the browns organization and our front office.

SportsAndLady;637483 wrote:I mean you're a great poster writer, but if you dont wanna be a Browns fan, then don't lol don't get on here and whine to us about the organization.

Red Saul;637840 wrote:Does Shurmur have the same agent as Holmgren and the GM?

That might have had something to do with him getting the job here.

Writerbuckeye;637710 wrote:Actually, the word is that Shurmur IS going to be calling the plays. An OC would be used for game planning and assist, but would not be the primary one calling plays. That will be the head coach. It's being reported by Jim Donovan, sportscaster out of Cleveland.

Writerbuckeye;637333 wrote:I have no idea whether this is a good move or not -- and I was not a fan of firing Mangini after only two years. I wanted them to revamp the offensive coaching and leave the rest alone for the sake of continuity. Changing coaches every few years will never get you a winning team.

Now it looks like we are officially rebuilding once again.

A new coach, who will likely bring in almost all new coaches, including a defensive coordinator that is unlikely to run the 3-4. So we're REALLY rebuilding from scratch on that side of the ball.

If they can't retain Seely as special teams coach (he's likely gone since he also held an assistant coach's title), then the loss is magnified by quite a bit more, since he had Cleveland's special teams near the top of the league during his tenure.

Like all Browns fans, I want to believe Holmgren has it right and knows what he's doing here. If this turns out to be an ego move (having his guy in place instead of the owner's) or some twisted thing that came about because all these folks have the same agent, then I will likely drop the NFL like I dropped MLB about 10 years ago.