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queencitybuckeye

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Jan 9, 2011 6:32 PM
Sonofanump;631151 wrote:Not to pick on you, but that made me think of a statistic. Does anyone know what is the most dangerous thing to have at your house?
The housekeeper?
Jan 9, 2011 6:32pm
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Jan 9, 2011 6:40 PM
dont got one, will be gotting one soon though.
Jan 9, 2011 6:40pm
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Jan 9, 2011 6:49 PM
I carry everyday.


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Jan 9, 2011 6:49pm
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Jan 9, 2011 6:52 PM
Sonofanump;631151 wrote:Not to pick on you, but that made me think of a statistic. Does anyone know what is the most dangerous thing to have at your house?
An enraged wife with a meat cleaver who just found you poking the babysitter comes to mind (not from personal experience, mind you). :)

Seriously - it's a ladder, at least for health insurance purposes.

I suppose where you live or work would have a direct bearing on this. I know that we rate personal firearms accidents as a notably higher risk factor than being injured in a non-domestic crime on an overall basis, but the latter can really spike in certain residential zip codes. We also don't break out PFA's by cause - such things as hunting accidents, drunks shooting themselves while cleaning their pistols, and kids playing with guns are all lumped into one figure, so I can't really draw meaningful individual conclusions

If I lived or worked in Linden or the Bottoms instead the northwest suburbs (as a Columbus example), I'd probably come to a different decision, especially now that we're kid-free. It all comes down to your own preferences - and that's just fine, IMHO.
Jan 9, 2011 6:52pm
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Jan 9, 2011 8:14 PM
LJ;631283 wrote:Water

Yep, swimming Pool.
Jan 9, 2011 8:14pm
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Jan 9, 2011 9:19 PM
Have been thinking of doing so for a couple years, just haven't pursued it.

I don't want to wait for a situation to arise where I would wish that I was carrying...We have a new baby in the house and plan to have a few more kids, so safety is an issue as well. I'd likely need to invest in one of those fingerprint reading lockboxes, to keep the kids out, and to let me in quickly if needed at home.
Jan 9, 2011 9:19pm
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Jan 9, 2011 9:41 PM
bought a Ruger SR9c to carry with my recently achieved CCW.

also have a Kimber 1911 .45 ACP and a Glock 22 .40 for the house.
Jan 9, 2011 9:41pm
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Jan 9, 2011 10:23 PM
Cat Food Flambe';630968 wrote:Nope. Don't want one either - with kids in the house until recently, the odds of an accident were much higher than of being harmed in a situation where being armed would prevent it.

However - I fully support your right to do so.
McFly1955;631541 wrote:Have been thinking of doing so for a couple years, just haven't pursued it.

I don't want to wait for a situation to arise where I would wish that I was carrying...We have a new baby in the house and plan to have a few more kids, so safety is an issue as well. I'd likely need to invest in one of those fingerprint reading lockboxes, to keep the kids out, and to let me in quickly if needed at home.

Honestly, I believe that if you educate your children and teach them to respect the firearm, there is not a very high likelihood of an accident. If you try to hide the gun from them, curiousity will fuel their desire to get at it. JMO. I have a friend who taught his children how to shoot when they were around 8-10. Now they are each 12 and 13 and have their own guns.

I am not saying how people should raise their kids, just saying that I believe if a child is taught how to handle and to respect a firearm, the chances of an accident are decreased by a bit.

McFly- A fingerprint lockbox, while expensive, would be worth the investment. I believe some you can program up to 5 or 10 fingerprints (in case your wife or someone else needed access). Also give you quicker access in an emergency in case you are under duress and can't think of your combo.
Jan 9, 2011 10:23pm
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Jan 9, 2011 11:14 PM
D-crew, I agree with what all you've said. That is exactly how I was raised and never once did I (or my brothers) have a morbid curiousity of guns. We knew what they could do and we were taught to respect them. My dad and uncle used to take us out in the fields and taught us how to fire them, load, clean the gun, store, etc. At the same time they taught us not to fear them but to respect the power that they held. They also taught us what they were for, mainly hunting and protection.
When people with kids visit or stay at your house, you put them up out of reach and/or locked away.
BTW, my dad has a beautiful gunsafe that he made before I was even born. Would loooove to have that thing, especially knowing it was made by him.

There has never been a time in my life without a gun(s).
Jan 9, 2011 11:14pm
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Jan 10, 2011 10:45 AM
I have no problem with people carrying guns, but I don't get it. Especially when people use something like yesterday as an argument for carrying a gun. If they weren't so accessible, maybe it would be much harder for these nut jobs to get.
Jan 10, 2011 10:45am
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Jan 10, 2011 11:00 AM
thedynasty1998;631976 wrote:I have no problem with people carrying guns, but I don't get it. Especially when people use something like yesterday as an argument for carrying a gun. If they weren't so accessible, maybe it would be much harder for these nut jobs to get.

mexico has tougher gun laws than the US.
Jan 10, 2011 11:00am
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Jan 10, 2011 11:01 AM
j_crazy;631989 wrote:mexico has tougher gun laws than the US.

So?
Jan 10, 2011 11:01am
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Jan 10, 2011 11:03 AM
just because it's tougher for law abiding citizens to get a gun doesn't make it safer. if a nut job wants a gun, he's gonna get one.
Jan 10, 2011 11:03am
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Jan 10, 2011 11:03 AM
The gentleman who tackled the gunman was carrying a gun. Why didn't he just shoot the guy?
Jan 10, 2011 11:03am
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Jan 10, 2011 12:01 PM
Smithwick;631999 wrote:The gentleman who tackled the gunman was carrying a gun. Why didn't he just shoot the guy?
Anyone who is responsible weapon carrier knows that pulling the weapon is the last resort. At that point the situation calls for a heighten level of action (pull to use)
Jan 10, 2011 12:01pm
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Jan 10, 2011 12:02 PM
Going next month to get it.
Jan 10, 2011 12:02pm
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Jan 10, 2011 12:14 PM
dwccrew;630760 wrote:You're entitled to your opinion, I just happen to disagree. I feel that if someone is adequetly trained in the handling of a firearm (having a permit doesn't necessarily qualify someone as being adequetly trained), then they could have shot this kid before he shot more people. Again, this is strictly my opinion.

Thank you for respecting my opinion.

To follow up with what you mentioned, again, IMO, that is the problem with allowing concealed firearms - not everyone who has a concealed permit is (a) properly trained and/or (b) uses the firearm properly (i.e., people still kill people).

I respect those who have and support CCW permits; it's just not for me.
Jan 10, 2011 12:14pm
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Jan 10, 2011 12:15 PM
iclfan2;630796 wrote:It also gives some sort of chance of saving lives, where as if no one has one there is 0% chance of someone doing something about the gunman.
That is a false statement. There isn't a "0%" chance. Perhaps there is a "lesser/smaller" chance, but even that is debatable.
Jan 10, 2011 12:15pm
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Jan 10, 2011 12:17 PM
If carrying a concealed weapon makes you feel safer, go for it.
(my soapbox time)
I do not think the Government should control all ownership of guns, yet I agree with having to register certain types of guns.
I wonder if their's a percentage of people with CCW that have actually prevented or helped defuse a tragedy like what happened, compared to percentage of people with CCW that ended up getting arrested for using the gun improperly.
Jan 10, 2011 12:17pm
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Jan 10, 2011 12:24 PM
said_aouita;632108 wrote:If carrying a concealed weapon makes you feel safer, go for it.
(my soapbox time)
I do not think the Government should control all ownership of guns, yet I agree with having to register certain types of guns.
I wonder if their's a percentage of people with CCW that have actually prevented or helped defuse a tragedy like what happened, compared to percentage of people with CCW that ended up getting arrested for using the gun improperly.


Well, I can tell you that the crime rate (in general) among CCW holders is ~ 1/10th of the average U.S. population
Jan 10, 2011 12:24pm
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Jan 10, 2011 12:25 PM
said_aouita;632108 wrote:If carrying a concealed weapon makes you feel safer, go for it.
(my soapbox time)
I do not think the Government should control all ownership of guns, yet I agree with having to register certain types of guns.
I wonder if their's a percentage of people with CCW that have actually prevented or helped defuse a tragedy like what happened, compared to percentage of people with CCW that ended up getting arrested for using the gun improperly.

interesting point, but you should aslo include robberies thwarted as a result of CCW. i'd imagine that number is far greater than the number of illegal uses of CCW. since tragedies like this (i.e. mass shootings) are so rare anyways, i feel the numbers will be greatly skewed to favor the "concealed carry permit holders are lunatics" argument
Jan 10, 2011 12:25pm
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Jan 10, 2011 12:26 PM
LJ;632119 wrote:Well, I can tell you that the crime rate (in general) among CCW holders is ~ 1/10th of the average U.S. population

BTW, also included in that are things like failure to notify, alcohol crimes, etc etc.
Jan 10, 2011 12:26pm
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Jan 10, 2011 12:43 PM
j_crazy;632120 wrote:interesting point, but you should aslo include robberies thwarted as a result of CCW. i'd imagine that number is far greater than the number of illegal uses of CCW. since tragedies like this (i.e. mass shootings) are so rare anyways, i feel the numbers will be greatly skewed to favor the "concealed carry permit holders are lunatics" argument
LJ;632123 wrote:BTW, also included in that are things like failure to notify, alcohol crimes, etc etc.
I wonder. Yes the mass shootings are rare. Specifically a CCW holder preventing a robbery vs. a CCW owner doing something considered illegal (be it getting caught or not) is my question.

Years ago I'd attend 4th of July parties which involved a mixture of things like pistols, SKS rifles, bon fires, fireworks and lots of alcohol.....and other stuff. It's just my opinion many CCW members do not use their weapons only for protection, and don't necessarily only fire it at actual firing ranges.
I guess it's just a certain stereotype to me for people who think CCW is necessary for protection.

(edit) Another opinion- ever since CCW I sure do notice more road signs shot up.....at least here in the rural farm land.




Not meaning to offend anyone.


God Bless America
Jan 10, 2011 12:43pm
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Jan 10, 2011 12:46 PM
said_aouita;632143 wrote:I wonder. Yes the mass shootings are rare. Specifically a CCW holder preventing a robbery vs. a CCW owner doing something considered illegal (be it getting caught or not) is my question.

Years ago I'd attend 4th of July parties which involved a mixture of things like pistols, SKS rifles, bon fires, fireworks and lots of alcohol.....and other stuff. It's just my opinion many CCW members do not use their weapons only for protection, and don't necessarily only fire it at actual firing ranges.
I guess it's just a certain stereotype to me for people who think CCW is necessary for protection.

Not meaning to offend anyone.


God Bless America

There is no way to quantify a crime prevented.

I also don't really don't understand the 2nd part of your post.
Jan 10, 2011 12:46pm
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Jan 10, 2011 12:46 PM
j_crazy;631989 wrote:mexico has tougher gun laws than the US.

They also have much stricter immigration laws than the U.S.
Jan 10, 2011 12:46pm