President Bush said god told him to go into Iraq

Thinthickbigred;613524 wrote:You know , Id rather not rip religious leaders who are by core good people even though some of the comments that they make ,dont add up to me . Is it true that Pat Robertson said that Haiti was being punished by god after the earthquake? they have alot of practicing voodoo on the island ,i believe I heard something of that nature but cannot quote

He said it was "what happened when people make a deal with the Devil."

Robertson and the late Christian conservative televangelist Jerry Falwell created a stir in 2007 when they said the 9/11 attacks were God's punishment for loose U.S. morals.
People "who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen,'" Falwell said on the "700 Club," which is the Christian network's flagship news talk show.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HaitiEarthquake/white-house-advisor-valerie-jarrett-speechless-pat-robertson/story?id=9555714
"Well, I totally concur," Robertson said in response.

And the cause of Hurricane Katrina's devastation in 2005? God's anger over abortion, Robertson said in the aftermath.

"We have killed over 40 million unborn babies in America. … Some of the attacks that are coming against us either by terrorists or now by natural disaster, could they be connected in some way?"

Now, I was simply saying that the 700 Club is the most far right "news" show on television. Fox has nothing on them in regards to leaning to the right. Fox is not nearly as right as many make them out to be, just as I believe some of the other networks aren't nearly as left as they're said to be.

I don't know about anybody else, but personally, I think thickthin has officially replaced Gibby!

CenterBHSFan;613550 wrote:I don't know about anybody else, but personally, I think thickthin has officially replaced Gibby!

elaborate...Who is Gibby?.....
I dont give aF#$%^%#@ shit about about what you think about me centerbs ....you dont come across as very intellegent to me anyway ....now come back with some stupid shit...no how bout this just dont waste my time I dont want to hear it

CenterBHSFan;613550 wrote:I don't know about anybody else, but personally, I think thickthin has officially replaced Gibby!

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Thinthickbigred;613601 wrote:elaborate...Who is Gibby?.....
I dont give aF#$%^%#@ shit about about what you think about me centerbs ....you dont come across as very intellegent to me anyway ....now come back with some stupid shit...no how bout this just dont waste my time I dont want to hear it

Yep, stamp and seal it.

Thinthickbigred;613601 wrote:elaborate...Who is Gibby?.....
I dont give aF#$%^%#@ shit about about what you think about me centerbs ....you dont come across as very intellegent to me anyway ....now come back with some stupid shit...no how bout this just dont waste my time I dont want to hear it

I'm confused.

Do you or do you not want me to: 1.) Tell you who Gibby is, and 2.) come back with "some stupid shit" ?

Also, why use the $%# symbols to censor yourself and then have the next word be "shit"?

I Wear Pants;613649 wrote:Also, why use the $%# symbols to censor yourself and then have the next word be "shit"?

Good catch! That's what... 2 in 24 hours?

Wow, it sounds like he went off on a junior high rant or something.

As a minister, and a fairly conservative one at that, may I ask a serious question? Again, not trying to anger anyone, but seriously wondering, why is it wrong for "right-wing" Christians to preach morals?

I get it that it is terrible to see someone preach "be faithful to your spouse, etc." and then be a hypocrite; however, we all make mistakes and we all do wrong/sin/whatever you want to call it. But honestly, what is wrong with encouraging others to live by good, meaningful morals? To love your neighbor as yourself, not to steal, murder, cheat, etc (basically the 10 commandment type of stuff). Or, is it that you just hate hearing others tell you or others how to live?

I can see why people don't want someone else to tell them how to live and rightfully so, but someone, somewhere has to start stepping up and teaching people something before this world becomes even more of a immoral society than it already is.

Who are you talking to?

CenterBHSFan;613648 wrote:I'm confused.

Do you or do you not want me to: 1.) Tell you who Gibby is, and 2.) come back with "some stupid shit" ?

go #$###$ yourself

@areyoukiddingme . I think it is fine to be a good example . Be there to council people if they seek it ,most definitly . i know there are a whole bunch of very good religious leaders of many different faiths, I also know with the non taxation of the church that there are alot of crooks out there as well . I also dont like FOX news people preaching to me . I dont want people on the NBC TODAY show to editorialise either when doing a interview . I find it insulting . Good questions should always be asked ,but when you give a smirk or an attitude as an interviewer ,you show bias. Thank god for ESPN . You sir seem to me to get your point across in a positive and respectful manner ... I admit I dont always have that same quality or patience.

Thank god for ESPN? What?

Alright, as is my custom, I'm gonna do the multi-quote thingy.

I Wear Pants;613521 wrote:I thought that was the 700 Club?

(shudders)

I personally cannot STAND "Reverend" Robertson. I LOVE the song Capitol Steps did on him: http://www.capsteps.com/sounds/robertson.mp3

I'm not saying the song is totally accurate, but much of what he does and stands for is the antithesis of "speaking the truth in love."

Thinthickbigred;613524 wrote:You know , Id rather not rip religious leaders who are by core good people even though some of the comments that they make ,dont add up to me . Is it true that Pat Robertson said that Haiti was being punished by god after the earthquake? they have alot of practicing voodoo on the island ,i believe I heard something of that nature but cannot quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DykgMyTjWU4 (calls for an assassination ... very loving, eh?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CAcdta_8I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QszyMLxrQvk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9DH-o_kP-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzTx0lbwi8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Lg6aUZykw

You can find a lot, but personally, I think he's a nut. The last clip is PARTICULARLY upsetting to me as I work around "ghetto kids" all the time, and many of them are just fine. They already are good citizens.

There are three "preachers" who, over the last 10 years, had a considerable voice in the American public, but instead of using that voice to spread the news of God's love, they've used it to further what I would say is often an unconstitutional political agenda. Of the three (Robertson, Falwell, and Dobson), I'd say Robertson has been the most harmful to the mission of those who have a love for the God of the Bible.

* To forgo some misunderstanding, I do think that these gentlemen all have some good things to say from time to time, particularly when discussing how we should personally live our own lives (for a reference to Robertson's examples, see his reply to a mother of a gay son and his interview with "Head" of Korn).

I Wear Pants;613531 wrote:He said it was "what happened when people make a deal with the Devil."

Now, I was simply saying that the 700 Club is the most far right "news" show on television. Fox has nothing on them in regards to leaning to the right. Fox is not nearly as right as many make them out to be, just as I believe some of the other networks aren't nearly as left as they're said to be.

Indeed. I think the public is tired of the partisan slants, and network news, being a "make money" entity at the end of the day, will bend accordingly.

I don't think it's good that the news will simply bend to the whims of the public, but I think it's true, currently.

CenterBHSFan;613550 wrote:I don't know about anybody else, but personally, I think thickthin has officially replaced Gibby!

Indeed. It's starting to look that way.

I wonder if his name was "armedforces" on the old Huddle.

I Wear Pants;613649 wrote:Also, why use the $%# symbols to censor yourself and then have the next word be "shit"?

I lullzed.

I dont know who the hell gibby is or armed forces is and dont give a crap ..dont know what the hell they said so its just an inside thing for some of you ,but it was a personnal insult by centerbs to start with so ill play along i told her to stuff it someplace ...I definitly have some animosity towards the far right wing fringes ... I am tired of the American public being led by wolves in sheeps clothing ..so I spit some rhetoric from time to time ..I am like I said just venting .. I am not attacking any poster personnally until attacked .. so lets talk about the issues at hand not what some bored middle aged woman from Bellaire has to say about me ...

I Wear Pants;614142 wrote:Thank god for ESPN? What?

??????? what ..... Thank god for ESPN so I dont have to watch regular news programming in the morning..... get it ?... news hurts my head after a few minutes ...I read much more than I watch TV ....Finding news on the middle and back pages of the USA today ,are usually front page worthy ...If you really want to learn about todays worldy happenings I suggest magazines ..National Geographic ....TIME ,Newsweek, others ... The television media is so slanted to either the right or the left ..they are always trying to out do each other as far as spreading there rhetoric ... Its like a frigging arms race with words...

Thinthickbigred, I know where you are coming from about certain channels leaning one way over the other; however, and again, I ask respectfully, why not just watch CNN then?

There are channels, as a minister and as a Christian, that I can't stand, and there are shows that absolutely insult my faith. Therefore, I "choose" not to watch them. I don't complain about them. I find it more important to teach the truth (IN LOVE) and live it as an example the best I can and pray that my congregation develops their own thoughts about tv programming, morality, etc. and let them choose if it is healthy for their heart and mind or not.

O'TRAP - unfortunately, for religion, Christianity, or mankind, there will always be people like Robertson, etc. who exhibit a very "questionable" way of representing their faith. For instance, I honestly admired Jerry Falwell. I knew him personally (not very well, but we had met and talked a few times). His faith was genuine. He was honestly a man after God's own heart. Does that mean I agree with everything he said, or did? By NO MEANS! He made mistakes and he often admitted them after he would say something, etc.

The same goes for me...I hope I am judged by my intentions and not by the way I often speak before thinking. That's why I am patient with others and give them the benefit of the doubt. My Bible teaches that we shouldn't look at the speck of sawdust in someone else's eye and neglect the "log" in our own.

areyoukiddingme;614451 wrote:Thinthickbigred, I know where you are coming from about certain channels leaning one way over the other; however, and again, I ask respectfully, why not just watch CNN then?

There are channels, as a minister and as a Christian, that I can't stand, and there are shows that absolutely insult my faith. Therefore, I "choose" not to watch them. I don't complain about them. I find it more important to teach the truth (IN LOVE) and live it as an example the best I can and pray that my congregation develops their own thoughts about tv programming, morality, etc. and let them choose if it is healthy for their heart and mind or not.

O'TRAP - unfortunately, for religion, Christianity, or mankind, there will always be people like Robertson, etc. who exhibit a very "questionable" way of representing their faith. For instance, I honestly admired Jerry Falwell. I knew him personally (not very well, but we had met and talked a few times). His faith was genuine. He was honestly a man after God's own heart. Does that mean I agree with everything he said, or did? By NO MEANS! He made mistakes and he often admitted them after he would say something, etc.

The same goes for me...I hope I am judged by my intentions and not by the way I often speak before thinking. That's why I am patient with others and give them the benefit of the doubt. My Bible teaches that we shouldn't look at the speck of sawdust in someone else's eye and neglect the "log" in our own.

Make no mistake, aykm, I do admire some part of all those men, as I tried to mention in that post. Primarily, it is when they start talking politics that I get agitated.

Hell, Robertson's advice to the woman with a homosexual son was for her to express to him that it was indeed something they believe with certainty is wrong, but that they love him anyway (and then, he encouraged her to follow through with loving him). Honestly, I think that's good advice. It promotes honesty (letting the son know where she stands/not hiding her feelings from him), but ALSO promotes the attitude that we are to love all people, regardless of what they do.

I've met Falwell as well (RIP), and he was one of the most giving individuals I've ever met ... not in the sense that he had a ton to give, but that there was nothing in his possession that he would refuse to part with for others.

Perhaps my words on Robertson were harsh, but I see an almost cognitive dissonance when it comes to his personal counsel and his political ideology. He goes from a promoter of love and understanding to a promoter of certain policies based on a belief that exhibits so little understanding and benevolence. We're all fallen, but it seems like he places certain sins on such a pedestal as to consider them "extra evil" and he speaks of those entrenched in them in such a way that it comes across as hateful. I don't believe he is truly a hateful person, and I don't think he means to sound that way (in his mind, it probably makes sense and is benevolent), but I think that him using his prominent place in the public square as a political platform has been a detriment to the Christian faith over the years, as Christians attempting to tell others about the wonderful change that has taken place in their lives are oft dismissed outright because they are connected to someone who makes such statements.

I don't know if you remember the show Trading Spouses, but there was an episode with a woman named Marguerite Perrin, a self proclaimed "God warrior." Here's the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8

A friend of mine, a non-believer, and I had a discussion about it after it went all over the TV. He admitted that when he first meets Christians, he often associates them with people like this, simply because these are the ones you can't help but see. He knows they don't act like this, and he knows most aren't like this outwardly, but he sometimes wonders if this goes on in believers' minds.

Now, obviously, there is something intensely wrong with this woman, and I'm not equating her to Pat. However, some of the statements Pat has made have had a similar effect.

Thinthickbigred;614335 wrote:.......... bored middle aged woman from Bellaire ...

.....useless without pics....

good posts^^^^^^^ We are all sinners . I think some religious leaders can use there influence to teach kindeness for our fellow man , not speak of assasination's and political survival .. they just dont go hand in hand .. Its perversion The Taliban does this and so do factions of christian leaders ..its tit for tat .. I dont know what Mr Robertsons true intentions are when speaking in a public forum . Is it at times to get a political point across? Should that be his cause ? When he speaks in terms of what happened in New Orleans and Haiti as god being un happy with us ,is that like the end times thing he is refrencing?

Gardens35;614693 wrote:.....useless without pics....

think so huh she can rip me but I cant defend myself I get it .. Give me something to listen to will you wise one

...... Give me something to listen to will you wise one[/QUOTE wrote:

Steely Dan, then Tom Petty.

Thinthickbigred;614718 wrote:think so huh she can rip me but I cant defend myself I get it .. Give me something to listen to will you wise one

For the record, I wasn't ripping on you. I happen to think that you're more entertaining than Gibby, seeing as he hasn't come around this forum lately. And you make me laugh.

^^^ How am I supposed to know ? I dont know what post I made you laugh in . but ok fine , They gave me 20 points for my comeback ,so I will soon be banished from this site . I dont even know what the frigging rules are until I make a mistake..... Some guys completely misquote me and put down down right lies in a box to make it look like I said it when I didnt ..I wonder if they got points ..... anyway lets move on

Thinthickbigred;613520 wrote:I didnt know far right was a group .... Yep I do spit rhetoric I know ...I am half serious naturally I dont think people on here want to send anybody to the gas chambers ... About rhetoric though ..Fox news media is the most slanted right wing spewing garbage on TV ... Dont people get sick of this or that person in the media perfessing that they grew up in a religious house or using religious anikdotes in commentary . Its just stupid to me .I am tired of right wing bible beaters in the media ..I dont like far left wing dogma either .. if you want to call the far left wing comunists I get that too .. as I do with the far right wing nazi movement ..... I only say nazi to offend the far right people on this site ..... Which I hope I have achieved because I cant stand the far right hypocrits ,who think they are on morrally higher ground than the rest of us ...

You might think you are "center", but your posts put you in a much different "position". Just like the post I quoted here.