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Nov 13, 2010 7:43 AM
karen lotz;555803 wrote:Source says Cecil Newton admitted to having discussions with MSU about pay to play. Says no money was paid and no such discussions with Auburn took place. Newtons have cooperated with NCAA and turned over personal bank information as well as bank information from churches Cecil is involved with.

http://www.wsbtv.com/sports/25778803/detail.html

I'm not buying that's the whole story. I really believe they are trying to give a fake story that is somewhat incriminating but not really that bad. Since the FBI is involved I really believe there is a lot more to the money aspect of it.
Nov 13, 2010 7:43am
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Fly4Fun;556001 wrote:I'm not buying that's the whole story. I really believe they are trying to give a fake story that is somewhat incriminating but not really that bad. Since the FBI is involved I really believe there is a lot more to the money aspect of it.
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Nov 13, 2010 7:48am
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Nov 13, 2010 9:11 AM
The FBI is involved because of the money aspect of it. They are considering it possible extortion which is what the FBI is looking at, at least that is what I've heard.
Nov 13, 2010 9:11am
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Nov 15, 2010 2:21 PM
According do this story, Newton father has admitted to the NCAA that he did in fact ask for money. But his saying his son did not know nor had anything to do with it.


"But he played. And barring some dramatic turn, he's going to keep playing. According to the Birmingham News, the NCAA interviewed Newton and his father this week, during which Cecil admitted to the pay-for-play solicitation but insisted that his son had no knowledge of it. The NCAA briefed Auburn on the situation. And despite all that, Newton still played.

Clearly, Auburn is standing by its man.

In the most telling "report" yet, Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports, the guy who broke the Reggie Bush story in 2006 and nailed ex-North Carolina assistant John Blake earlier this fall -- in other words, an extremely credible reporter who knows a little something about NCAA investigations -- tweeted this Saturday: "Interesting note about Auburn, they have hired ex-NCAA [Committee on Infractions Chairman] Gene Marsh to work on Cam Newton issue. They intend [to] fight it all the way."

Marsh, it should be noted, is a law professor at archrival Alabama.

So that's where we stand. Auburn has been accused of no wrongdoing. Newton is eligible and will likely remain so right up through Jan. 10, since NCAA investigations take months, if not years, to be resolved. No one can say with any certainty how this might play out. In the meantime, Newton will keep playing, and his BCS and Heisman pursuits will continue unabated, albeit under a cloud of suspicion.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/11/14/auburn-cam-newton/index.html#ixzz15Nev3kuy
Nov 15, 2010 2:21pm
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Nov 15, 2010 2:27 PM
so we're supposed to believe cecil solicited MSU (which is where cam wanted to go) didn't get anything and cam switched to auburn on his own?

plausible but this whole story wreaks to me.

does cecil now face extortion charges since he admitted to the solicitation?
Nov 15, 2010 2:27pm
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Nov 15, 2010 3:12 PM
he should be suspended during the investigation..just like green from ga was, the numerous players from unc, and the guy from bama
Nov 15, 2010 3:12pm
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Nov 15, 2010 3:38 PM
I believe if anyone representing the player or related to him (in this case Cecil) solicits money, doesn't that make Cam ineligible with or without his knowledge?
Nov 15, 2010 3:38pm
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Nov 15, 2010 3:50 PM
Here's how things look for my perspective.

Someone in the Newton camp solicited money at least from MSU. It's possible that Cam had no knowledge of this, it's possible that he did, but it looks like Cecil Newton his setting himself up to take the fall for his son. If he admits to asking MSU for money, and if they can't prove that Cam knew anything about it or that they ever asked Auburn for money, then Cam should be okay and he won't be in any trouble. If they can prove that Cam did know about it or that they asked or got money from Auburn, then Cam is in trouble. You don't even have to have taken money, simply asking for money is against the rules. It would be stupid to bench him right now because all of this happened before the season, so if he's found guilty and rules ineligible it will be retroactive, so he would have been ineligible all season and all of their wins would be vacated.
Nov 15, 2010 3:50pm
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Nov 15, 2010 3:54 PM
Pick6;559461 wrote:he should be suspended during the investigation..just like green from ga was, the numerous players from unc, and the guy from bama

The only reason that those schools chose to sit those players during the investigation was because they hadn't played in any games since the event that compromised their eligibility. Cam already has. If he's ruled ineligible it will be for the entire 2009 season and any games he's played in will be vacated (which is different than a forfeit, so none of their opponent would get an extra win, it would just look like they played 11 games, which has huge BCS implications because LSU would be undefeated if Auburn had to vacate that win). The guys who were suspended early this season hadn't played in any games yet, so their schools chose to sit them instead of risking it by playing them and then having them rules retroactively ineligible and being forced to vacate any games they played in. At this point it wouldn't matter for Auburn because he's already played in 11 games.
Nov 15, 2010 3:54pm
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Nov 15, 2010 4:18 PM
krambman;559525 wrote:Here's how things look for my perspective.

Someone in the Newton camp solicited money at least from MSU. It's possible that Cam had no knowledge of this, it's possible that he did, but it looks like Cecil Newton his setting himself up to take the fall for his son. If he admits to asking MSU for money, and if they can't prove that Cam knew anything about it or that they ever asked Auburn for money, then Cam should be okay and he won't be in any trouble. If they can prove that Cam did know about it or that they asked or got money from Auburn, then Cam is in trouble. You don't even have to have taken money, simply asking for money is against the rules. It would be stupid to bench him right now because all of this happened before the season, so if he's found guilty and rules ineligible it will be retroactive, so he would have been ineligible all season and all of their wins would be vacated.

The old man has basically already admitted to soliciting money from MSU. And it does NOT matter if Cam knew or not. If anyone associated with him, especially family, did something like this...Cam is indirectly involved. HE will go down as will Auburn IMO. What would you expect in a situation like this? Maybe Cam did or did not know. But any father is going to take a bullet for his son, period.

This whole issue could completely blow up college football this season.
Nov 15, 2010 4:18pm
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Nov 15, 2010 4:19 PM
lhslep134;559500 wrote:I believe if anyone representing the player or related to him (in this case Cecil) solicits money, doesn't that make Cam ineligible with or without his knowledge?

I would say, absolutely without question.
Nov 15, 2010 4:19pm
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Nov 15, 2010 4:34 PM
centralbucksfan;559555 wrote:
This whole issue could completely blow up college football this season.


Couldn't agree more.

Especially after the Reggie Bush ordeal finally got "resolved" this year, you'd think the NCAA might be a little more motivated to find out sooner than the end of the season.
Nov 15, 2010 4:34pm
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Nov 15, 2010 5:01 PM
i'm really going to feel sorry for auburn if it's proven that he did nothing wrong at auburn, but his dad soliciting money from MSU causes him to be ineligible.

I think i'm starting to buy into this story. here's how i think it went down:
Cam wants to go to MSU and reunite with mullen.
Cecil wants him to go to Auburn because they are set up better for what cam can do and will help his draft stock (because he's better suited for success)
Cecil tries to get MSU to pay for Cam's committment so that he can recoup some of the money he sees as lost due to a probable worse draft spot
Cam comes around to the idea of winning over loyalty to a former coach and goes to auburn.
Nov 15, 2010 5:01pm
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Nov 15, 2010 5:18 PM
krambman;559525 wrote:Here's how things look for my perspective.

Someone in the Newton camp solicited money at least from MSU. It's possible that Cam had no knowledge of this, it's possible that he did, but it looks like Cecil Newton his setting himself up to take the fall for his son. If he admits to asking MSU for money, and if they can't prove that Cam knew anything about it or that they ever asked Auburn for money, then Cam should be okay and he won't be in any trouble. If they can prove that Cam did know about it or that they asked or got money from Auburn, then Cam is in trouble. You don't even have to have taken money, simply asking for money is against the rules. It would be stupid to bench him right now because all of this happened before the season, so if he's found guilty and rules ineligible it will be retroactive, so he would have been ineligible all season and all of their wins would be vacated.

From my understanding of the rule, any representative who solicits money causes the player to be ineligible. This from an NCAA rep on the Scott Van Pelt show today. So Cecil, while good intentioned, admitted to solicitation, claiming neither Cam, nor his wife (who Miss. St. claims was present during the convo) but was unaware of the "or representative" aspect of the rule. Dude needed to seek council or just shut up. As it looks at this point, whether Cam knew or not is irrelevant. If this moves quickly, Cam gets no Heisman, Auburn vacates wins and we look elsewhere for a title participant.

I think the BCS as well as the Heisman committee will be putting the pressure on the NCAA to get it done quickly as well they NEED too.
Nov 15, 2010 5:18pm
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Nov 15, 2010 6:30 PM
If Cecil did admit he tried to snag some money from Miss. St., Newton is screwed. The fact that everybody has shut up and gone mum on the issue (instead of claiming innocence and acting defiant like they initially did) tells me everything I need to know.

The next Miss St-Auburn game should be a lot of fun though. Mullen really squashed Newton here. (Although how stupid was Cecil to ask for a bunch of cash and then have his son spurn that school? A normal person would have probably guessed Miss St was going to roll over on him)
Nov 15, 2010 6:30pm
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Nov 15, 2010 7:29 PM
ytownfootball;559651 wrote:From my understanding of the rule, any representative who solicits money causes the player to be ineligible. This from an NCAA rep on the Scott Van Pelt show today. So Cecil, while good intentioned, admitted to solicitation, claiming neither Cam, nor his wife (who Miss. St. claims was present during the convo) but was unaware of the "or representative" aspect of the rule. Dude needed to seek council or just shut up. As it looks at this point, whether Cam knew or not is irrelevant. If this moves quickly, Cam gets no Heisman, Auburn vacates wins and we look elsewhere for a title participant.

I think the BCS as well as the Heisman committee will be putting the pressure on the NCAA to get it done quickly as well they NEED too.
That's alot of BS! It isn't like that was Newton's first go-around in the recruiting game. No doubt his father was well aware of the rules, and was just tryin' to score some cash!

This wreaks of Cecil trying to essentially "plea bargain" so his son can continue to play. It might not be soon, but Auburn will eventually pay for this. Probably while Newton is a millionaire playing in the league, and couldn't care less what happens to Auburn.
Nov 15, 2010 7:29pm
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Nov 15, 2010 7:42 PM
se-alum;559820 wrote:That's alot of BS! It isn't like that was Newton's first go-around in the recruiting game. No doubt his father was well aware of the rules, and was just tryin' to score some cash!

This wreaks of Cecil trying to essentially "plea bargain" so his son can continue to play. It might not be soon, but Auburn will eventually pay for this. Probably while Newton is a millionaire playing in the league, and couldn't care less what happens to Auburn.

I guess i should clarify that being unaware and stupid = same thing. Otherwise, why admit to a damn thing? Precedent as far as timeline has been set with Reggie Bush...why admit to anything when you know damn well the NCAA moves at a snails pace? Being unaware or just plain stupid is the only answer I can come up with.
Nov 15, 2010 7:42pm
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Nov 15, 2010 7:52 PM
No way the NCAA is going to let him have a chance at the heisman, and auburn a chance at the national title, if they are just going to have to rip them both away soon. I think they'll lay the hammer down soon.
Nov 15, 2010 7:52pm
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Nov 16, 2010 5:02 AM
I'm guessing that if anything, he'll end up suspended for a game or two but Auburn will not be vacating any wins.
Nov 16, 2010 5:02am
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Nov 16, 2010 8:31 AM
the_system;559848 wrote:No way the NCAA is going to let him have a chance at the heisman, and auburn a chance at the national title, if they are just going to have to rip them both away soon. I think they'll lay the hammer down soon.

NCAA doesn't give two hoots about the Heisman. But I would hope they realize what this could do to the landscape of college foortball this season. If its as cut and dry as some are claiming, where the dad did admit to soliciting for money...then I would hope a ruling will be coming sooner rather then later. BUT, who knows..this maybe only the icing on the cake. There could be a lot more going on that we have no clue about.
Nov 16, 2010 8:31am
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Nov 16, 2010 9:46 AM
enigmaax;560393 wrote:I'm guessing that if anything, he'll end up suspended for a game or two but Auburn will not be vacating any wins.

No, they would definitely have to vacate wins. If this event took place during the past week then he would be suspended going forward. However, this took place before the season began which means that he should have been suspended at the beginning of the season. Since he played earlier in the year when he should have been suspended those wins would have to be vacated. It would have been like OSU playing Troy Smith in the Alamo Bowl and the first game of 2005 when he was suspended. Same deal, only we knew that he was suspended then. It's why USC had to vacate all of those wins because Reggie Bush should have been suspended that entire season.

Also, other than potentially having to vacate wins I don't see Auburn getting in any real trouble, nor should they. If the Newton's only solicited money from MSU and not from Auburn then Auburn did nothing wrong. As long as Auburn didn't know about it and didn't pay anything then they didn't break any rules, only Cam Newton did. So he would get in trouble but Auburn wouldn't be sanctioned at all.
Nov 16, 2010 9:46am
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Nov 16, 2010 11:07 AM
i think nothing will happen until after the BCS NCG at the earliest. NCAA seems to be dragging it's feet bigger than shit here.
Nov 16, 2010 11:07am
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enigmaax;560393 wrote:I'm guessing that if anything, he'll end up suspended for a game or two but Auburn will not be vacating any wins.
IMO it is all or nothing. He either broke the rules or didn't, and thus he'll either be declared ineligible or he'll keep playing. In this circumstance I don't think there are degrees to "guiltiness"
Nov 16, 2010 12:11pm
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Nov 16, 2010 12:14 PM
I would think the powers that be would want to expedite this case. Their worst-case scenario would be Auburn making the BCS Title Game, and Newton being declared ineligible at some point before the game. It just seems inconceivable that the dad would demand money from one school, be denied and then sign with another school with no strings attached. A truly sad situation, especially if the son had nothing to do with it.
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jordo212000;560708 wrote:IMO it is all or nothing. He either broke the rules or didn't, and thus he'll either be declared ineligible or he'll keep playing. In this circumstance I don't think there are degrees to "guiltiness"

If found guilty, protocol would certainly call for Auburn to vacate wins. However, I don't think the NCAA is going to go that route, especially if they do make a ruling before the end of this season. The gray areas being that he may not have actually taken money and he may not have actually known about it and that Auburn may not have had anything to do with it. So a great way to punish him yet not cause a huge stain on the on-going season is to simply suspend him and move on. It is a complete guess on my part and I've been wrong before...I just don't think they'll be vacating anything (unless the ruling comes after the season, in which case there isn't much else that could be done).
Nov 16, 2010 2:18pm