I know this is an opinion based forum and I respect everyones opinion but can anyone,SQ or OATS,supply me with hard facts or stats or what ever puts you against former coach.If it is personal we need not go farther.
Is the same admin. in place that hired and fired him.

It is not personal at all; it is based on the facts that I alluded to above, plus a lot of other facts based on four years of observing the teams' performance. It is not at all worth rehashing in its entirety.

And no it is not the same administration; the current administration has demonstrated the ability to hire qualified individuals at various levels in various positions, and to begin to hold people accountable. Generally speaking, they have turned the ship around and have it headed in the right direction.

Not to be argumentative but you have supplied no facts only opinions.In my earlier posts I have asked for facts,you can look back,but not really got them.One more question did new coach bring in all new staff with him meaning 7-9 new head coaches and then JV AND Varsity Assitants.I would assume he would have that option so there would be a clean start and no carryover from previous staff.

Facts as mentioned earlier:

"sub-par" = sub 500 for 4 years
"immediate exit from post-season play" = getting whipped in round one
"no discernable progress, ever" = no improvement in 4 years

Those are not opinions, those are facts .... and there are a lot more like them but I am finished with this topic.

And, no there is not an entirely new coaching staff this year; there are 3 holdovers at the high school level, and one new assistant along with the new head coach. I have no idea whose perogative it is to bring in new people etc.... I think we have a couple of good assistants who know what they are doing, so wholesale changes were not warranted.

Obviously Ihave struck a chord your "facts" are opinionated observations on the discernable progress.Still have not given me actual records for the four years preceding this one.So if team went from say 1 win to 5 wins to 9 over three years you would not deem that progress.I will do a little research for you on records.
First round exit from tournaments is very discouraging year in and year out.
So the couple good assistants were part of the previous staff also,very interesting,
Sorry you are done with this topic. Good Luck to your Quakers going forward.

2 - 20
10 - 11
9 - 12
9 - 12

These should be accurate or within about 1 game of actual based on historical data that I could locate. As you can see, the "facts" are the facts.

I would rather focus on suggestions for success going forward, that's all..... as we have already turned this corner.

In regards to players stepping up and being a leader - one has tried - tried to lead by example - tried to be the "nice guy" on the court - tried to be the tough guy in the locker room and tried to motivate to the abilities of an 18 year old. This player even has to tell players on the court how to run a play - where to be on defense - even calls out options to be run. He has sacrificed parts of his game in order to make sure others are attempting theirs. He even had to break up a potential altercation btwn two players on the bench at the last game. When several only care about self glory - the leader has limited power - there must be coach intervention. There are five coaches on the bench - someone needs to step up and rectify the situation. It is not a player's job to do the coaches' job. The pouting, the lack of effort, the lazy defensive play, the one on 5 fast break three pointer attempts, the fallen and can't get up syndrome - in my opinion means BENCHED. There are a few games left - the seniors who care about the W for the team's sake deserve a quality ending. It is up to the coach to lead in all aspects of the game. The coach knows the game - I will support that statement - but coaching is more than just the X's and O's

^^ you make some interesting points. I am not that close to be able to comment on all these particular issues, but my sense is the proper things will occur in due course. I would love to see the team finish strong and win a couple tourney games at least.

Go Quakers !!

QuakerOats;673527 wrote:^^ you make some interesting points. I am not that close to be able to comment on all these particular issues, but my sense is the proper things will occur in due course. I would love to see the team finish strong and win a couple tourney games at least.

Go Quakers !!

And I believe - one change will make a HUGE difference....

QuakerOats;672934 wrote:Sorry, your post is misguided; either you didn't read the information above (i.e. we have very good shooters, but they have had lapses of focus in several games; and we do start a soph and a junior already etc...etc...), or don't understand the context. Thanks for trying, though.

Well. They can't be that good of shooters with a 9-12 record can they? Thank you.

QuakerOats;673521 wrote:2 - 20
10 - 11
9 - 12
9 - 12

These should be accurate or within about 1 game of actual based on historical data that I could locate. As you can see, the "facts" are the facts.

I would rather focus on suggestions for success going forward, that's all..... as we have already turned this corner.

Thanks Oats you are right these are facts one year of growth then mediocrity.
Seems as though sportsforlife has jumped in and answered the suggestions for success going forward.I do not know of these situations either but sounds a little confusing.
Sounds like a heart to heart with team and coach probably coming and seems like good timing to make last quarter of season and tournaments successfull.

Also good luck to quakers

Struthers beats Strong Vincent from Erie Pa tonight 72-60

Over under margin of defeat for the Salem Struthers game Tuesday? Over under 28?

if Struthers wants to, over. They'll win by about 18

sportsforlife;673522 wrote:In regards to players stepping up and being a leader - one has tried - tried to lead by example - tried to be the "nice guy" on the court - tried to be the tough guy in the locker room and tried to motivate to the abilities of an 18 year old. This player even has to tell players on the court how to run a play - where to be on defense - even calls out options to be run. He has sacrificed parts of his game in order to make sure others are attempting theirs. He even had to break up a potential altercation btwn two players on the bench at the last game. When several only care about self glory - the leader has limited power - there must be coach intervention. There are five coaches on the bench - someone needs to step up and rectify the situation. It is not a player's job to do the coaches' job. The pouting, the lack of effort, the lazy defensive play, the one on 5 fast break three pointer attempts, the fallen and can't get up syndrome - in my opinion means BENCHED. There are a few games left - the seniors who care about the W for the team's sake deserve a quality ending. It is up to the coach to lead in all aspects of the game. The coach knows the game - I will support that statement - but coaching is more than just the X's and O's

Inhale.....now exhale.....Inhale again.....exhale

It's very evident you are the parent of the "leader" of the team and one of the former coach's supporters...but the past is the past, its all over and he won't ever coach in Salem again. Hart needs the time to develop a full program. This team is definitely under-achieving this year, there's no doubt about it. But the blame is shared between the players and coaching staff. Its seems to me that a team that wants to run a run-and-gun type offense needs a deep bench, almost like a Poland "hockey sub". This they don't have, there's no doubt about it. This isn't the players faults nor the coaches, it will develop over time. We all just need to take a collective breath and watch the rest of the season and see how these young men develop as players and as people as they're dealing with this adversity.

For gosh sake it gets old hearing about how underachieving Salem is. As for coaches not handling the bench issue well shame on that staff. Fire them if they can't handle 18 year olds. Salem is just average at best and apparantly the coaching is too.

Thoughts and prayers going out to Ryan Wolfgang who suffered a serious injury in Struthers tonight.

GoPens;679966 wrote:Thoughts and prayers going out to Ryan Wolfgang who suffered a serious injury in Struthers tonight.

What happened?

tribepronk41;678478 wrote:Inhale.....now exhale.....Inhale again.....exhale

It's very evident you are the parent of the "leader" of the team and one of the former coach's supporters...but the past is the past, its all over and he won't ever coach in Salem again. Hart needs the time to develop a full program. This team is definitely under-achieving this year, there's no doubt about it. But the blame is shared between the players and coaching staff. Its seems to me that a team that wants to run a run-and-gun type offense needs a deep bench, almost like a Poland "hockey sub". This they don't have, there's no doubt about it. This isn't the players faults nor the coaches, it will develop over time. We all just need to take a collective breath and watch the rest of the season and see how these young men develop as players and as people as they're dealing with this adversity.

nope not a parent - but yes a supporter of the former coach - and agree - not a deep bench - but I do know there are internal problems and the coach needs to take care of those (same internal problems were there last year) - not up to a player/leader to take care of these problems...

tribepronk41;678478 wrote:Inhale.....now exhale.....Inhale again.....exhale

It's very evident you are the parent of the "leader" of the team and one of the former coach's supporters...but the past is the past, its all over and he won't ever coach in Salem again. Hart needs the time to develop a full program. This team is definitely under-achieving this year, there's no doubt about it. But the blame is shared between the players and coaching staff. Its seems to me that a team that wants to run a run-and-gun type offense needs a deep bench, almost like a Poland "hockey sub". This they don't have, there's no doubt about it. This isn't the players faults nor the coaches, it will develop over time. We all just need to take a collective breath and watch the rest of the season and see how these young men develop as players and as people as they're dealing with this adversity.

Not a parent - but close to the program - and - yes a former coach supporter - but you are right the past is the past - however the internal problems are still lingering from the past - and at this point in the season it might be too late - something should have been done games ago - but not by the player(s)/leader(s) - - the coach or coaches needed to step in but didn't - and we shall see how full of a program is developed over time - I hope you are right - but I am not sure...

lets_go_devils;680180 wrote:What happened?

Hurt his knee it was a terrible injury. Struthers did whatever they wanted the whole night with having the starters all on the court at one time for about a total of 5 minutes all game.

Quakers played with a makeshift lineup - starting PG did not play due to injury; 2 guard on the bench half the game, and Wolfgang went down early 3rd. Fredrickson played well and the 3 sophs are getting pressed into carrying more load, but obviously they can't handle a good Struthers team.

Thoughts go out to Wolfgang -- tough to see the best all-around player on the team get hurt at this stage of the season; he will be missed big time.

Not a parent...lol

Salem job will be open in about a year once again. Until they get some one to clean house and start from the bottom up it will not change. I am not a parent either. Just my humble opiinion as usual.

Sometimes it takes a new coach a season to get the full 'lay of the land' of the entire program, and once he has the situation fully studied then all the necessary changes can be made, correctly. Digging out of an (inherited) big hole usually takes a little time.

I hope the players regroup and finish strong.
Go Quakers !!