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Oct 27, 2010 1:20 PM
I'm not basing this off a reaction of last night's performance, I'm using last night's performance as partial confirmation of why I thought as soon as the Miami Superfriends was formed that they really don't have a chance.

1) They have no size/skill combo downlow to combat the tops teams. Name the last team to win an NBA title without a viable big man....

2) Stagnant offense. Without a true point guard, the Heat will become an even more glorified version of the 1 on 5 Cavs offense. We saw last night a lot of standing around and not really knowing what to do. Will that improve? Probably. But not enough to the point where they can consistently beat the great teams.

3) No point guard

4) The pressure. They're going to bring out teams' best, and honestly, I don't think they can beat the Lakers, Magic, or Celtics unless all of the Superfriends go off.

The Heat could very well have the best record in the East, but come playoff time, there's a possibility they don't even make it to the conference finals if Boston and Orlando don't play in the semi's.

There's a reason that people with basketball knowledge (going by NBA experts here) believe PG and C are the two most important positions, and the Heat are awful at both, but excellent at SG, SF, PF.
Oct 27, 2010 1:20pm
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Oct 27, 2010 1:56 PM
This obviously needed a thread of it's own.

1. They have a top 5 PF in Chris Bosh. Sure they have the "traditional" center, but what teams in the NBA do? Someone on anther thread said they aren't tough enough, and that might be a decent point, but they are not going to win based on toughness, they are going to win on pure talent and skill.

2. Magic Johnson wasn't a true PG either. This is such a stupid point. Lebron is/will be their PG. He's the BEST PG in the NBA. Since you obviously are not talking about defending the PG position, this point has no basis, considering that they played one game.

3. Ever hear of Lebron James?

4. Pressure will apply to the regular season, but guess what, they will be good enough to get into the playoffs. Come playoff time, everyone deals with the same pressure.

If the PG and C position are so important, how did the Lakers win it?

You really didn't make one good argument here. And to say "NO WAY" they win the title is just stupid. Maybe they don't, but you can't say "NO WAY" because by all regards they are one of only a handful of teams with a legitimate shot at it.
Oct 27, 2010 1:56pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:12 PM
thedynasty1998;534906 wrote: If the PG and C position are so important, how did the Lakers win it?
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Because Derek Fisher hit clutch shot after clutch shot, Pau Gasol is the most offensively gifted center in the league, and Andrew Bynum isn't shabby either.

And yes I've heard of Lebron, I believe he has zero rings. And Bosh isn't good enough to take a pounding down low the entire game, or else he'd be an elite center which he's not.


Because you're so ignorant, please dynasty, enlighten me and name the last NBA championship team without a viable big man.....
Oct 27, 2010 2:12pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:17 PM
lhslep134;534928 wrote:Because Derek Fisher hit clutch shot after clutch shot, Pau Gasol is the most offensively gifted center in the league, and Andrew Bynum isn't shabby either.

And yes I've heard of Lebron, I believe he has zero rings. And Bosh isn't good enough to take a pounding down low the entire game, or else he'd be an elite center which he's not.


Because you're so ignorant, please dynasty, enlighten me and name the last NBA championship team without a viable big man.....

He's a dumbass troll, dont even pay attention to him. He's in the same league as Capone.
Oct 27, 2010 2:17pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:25 PM
I agree with all your points, except #3. I think LeBron or Wade can take the PG position. Other than that, I know its the first game, but last night was a preview of what will happen when the Heat faces a team with size and depth. Sorry, but the heat's depth is nonexistent, even when mike miller gets back.

The heat are not going to be able to win a series against a team with size advantage. The Celtics will wear them down in a best of 7, and I can't help but think Dwight will be raping them as well. Who is going to stop Dwight? Bosh? LMAO. There is a reason why the pussy didn't want to play Center for the raptors.
Oct 27, 2010 2:25pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:29 PM
lhslep134;534928 wrote:Because Derek Fisher hit clutch shot after clutch shot, Pau Gasol is the most offensively gifted center in the league, and Andrew Bynum isn't shabby either.

And yes I've heard of Lebron, I believe he has zero rings. And Bosh isn't good enough to take a pounding down low the entire game, or else he'd be an elite center which he's not.


Because you're so ignorant, please dynasty, enlighten me and name the last NBA championship team without a viable big man.....

How is Gasol not a viable big man? I'm just not understanding this. He's at the worst, a top 5 PF in the NBA.

Fisher hit clutch shots, but is an average PG overall. I like him, but don't give him too much credit. You would have sounded smarter if you would have used the triangle offense in your argument, but you didn't.

Gasol is absolutely gifted, but he's VERY similar to Bosh. He's not physical and isn't a true center. The Lakers are probably at their best with Gasol at the C and Odom at the PF, which makes them very soft, physically.

Bosh was the focal point of Toronto's offense and put up very good numbers last year. To say he can't take a pounding an entire game is just stupid. He's proven himself over his career. Don't ignore the facts.
Oct 27, 2010 2:29pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:30 PM
like_that;534954 wrote:I agree with all your points, except #3. I think LeBron or Wade can take the PG position. Other than that, I know its the first game, but last night was a preview of what will happen when the Heat faces a team with size and depth. Sorry, but the heat's depth is nonexistent, even when mike miller gets back.

The heat are not going to be able to win a series against a team with size advantage. The Celtics will wear them down in a best of 7, and I can't help but think Dwight will be raping them as well. Who is going to stop Dwight? Bosh? LMAO. There is a reason why the pussy didn't want to play Center for the raptors.


Is Chris Bosh a center?
Oct 27, 2010 2:30pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:35 PM
karen lotz;534958 wrote:Is Chris Bosh a center?

No (i never said that either), but he is going to need to learn how to play Center if the heat want to win a title.
Oct 27, 2010 2:35pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:37 PM
like_that;534954 wrote:I agree with all your points, except #3. I think LeBron or Wade can take the PG position. Other than that, I know its the first game, but last night was a preview of what will happen when the Heat faces a team with size and depth. Sorry, but the heat's depth is nonexistent, even when mike miller gets back.

The heat are not going to be able to win a series against a team with size advantage. The Celtics will wear them down in a best of 7, and I can't help but think Dwight will be raping them as well. Who is going to stop Dwight? Bosh? LMAO. There is a reason why the pussy didn't want to play Center for the raptors.

No individual in the NBA can stop Howard. It usually takes a lot of fouls. No one is arguing that the center position isn't the Heat's weakness, but you can't determine at this point that it's something that they can't overcome.

Who was the leading rebounder in the game last night? It was Haslem.
Shaq hurt the Heat, but he can't play significant minutes at this point in his career.
Garnett had 10 and 10, his season averages last year were 14 and 7.
Big Baby had 13 and 5, his season averages last year were 6 and 4
Jermaine O'Neal had 1 and 2

Rondo only scored 4 points, which means he wasn't able to get to the rim.

So it's not like they got abused in the paint.
Oct 27, 2010 2:37pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:41 PM
I thought Skip Bayless made some pretty good points regarding Bosh on ESPN first take this morning. He was talking about how disappointing Bosh looked being outplayed by an over-the-hill Kevin Garnett and was questioning just how he is going to fit on this team. He basically said that Bosh has played his entire NBA career with no pressure up in Toronto being the go to guy on some pretty bad Raptors teams and we don't know how he is going to handle being on a contender.
Oct 27, 2010 2:41pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:44 PM
Good points about Bosh, because no one knows how he will adapt to the increased pressure. But he's still highly skilled and they will figure out a way to get him involved.

Last night was probably the biggest game he's played in in his whole career, if you think about it. He's not used to the cameras in his face and the national media attention, so maybe it does take him awhile to adapt.
Oct 27, 2010 2:44pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:51 PM
Or maybe he's been the benefactor of being the focal point on bad teams. No way to know for sure right now but we will know as the season goes on. Personally I lean to the side that says he doesn't put up near the numbers he's had before and doesn't have the impact they hoped he would. He's too weak to guard a true big man (as you say he's finesse). If that's true then he has to be able to defend other finesse PF's and he failed at that last night against an aging KG with bad knees.
Oct 27, 2010 2:51pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:53 PM
thedynasty1998;534957 wrote:How is Gasol not a viable big man? I'm just not understanding this. He's at the worst, a top 5 PF in the NBA.

I hate the Lakers with a PASSION .... And I find that comment pretty dumb
Oct 27, 2010 2:53pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:55 PM
osu45804;534992 wrote:I hate the Lakers with a PASSION .... And I find that comment pretty dumb

Sorry, I think I mixed up names. I was referring Bosh when someone said he's not a viable big man. I said he's top 5.

Gasol is an elite player, no doubt. But he is also a finesse big man.
Oct 27, 2010 2:55pm
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Oct 27, 2010 2:56 PM
grodt;534990 wrote:If that's true then he has to be able to defend other finesse PF's and he failed at that last night against an aging KG with bad knees.

How did he fail so poorly? His offense was atrocious. I think he did an "ok" job defending Garnett.
Oct 27, 2010 2:56pm
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Oct 27, 2010 3:02 PM
I didn't get to see the entire game but I saw a lot of KG having open looks away from the basket. To me Bosh has got to defend him away from the basket, he's not going to blow past him plus he'd have help in the paint. Yet KG was 4-6 from outside the paint. Certainly not an epic failure since KG only had 10 points, but not a good sign, IMO
Oct 27, 2010 3:02pm
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Oct 27, 2010 3:04 PM
like_that;534967 wrote:No (i never said that either), but he is going to need to learn how to play Center if the heat want to win a title.
You said "There is a reason why the pussy didn't want to play Center for the raptors." Is this reason because he isn't a center? If that's the case, Dwight Howard is a pussy for not wanting to play shooting guard.
Oct 27, 2010 3:04pm
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Oct 27, 2010 3:22 PM
karen lotz;535012 wrote:You said "There is a reason why the pussy didn't want to play Center for the raptors." Is this reason because he isn't a center? If that's the case, Dwight Howard is a pussy for not wanting to play shooting guard.

Considering the fact the heat will probably need him to stop the big men down low, I think he is going to have to learn how to play center. The Magic don't need Dwight playing shooting guard. Nice fail.
Oct 27, 2010 3:22pm
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Oct 27, 2010 3:26 PM
like_that;535043 wrote:Considering the fact the heat will probably need him to stop the big men down low, I think he is going to have to learn how to play center. The Magic don't need Dwight playing shooting guard. Nice fail.


I think Mike Miller will learn to play center while he is rehabbing. Then Bosh won't be needed. If Miller doesn't want to play center, he is a pussy.
Oct 27, 2010 3:26pm
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Oct 27, 2010 3:33 PM
karen lotz;535052 wrote:I think Mike Miller will learn to play center while he is rehabbing. Then Bosh won't be needed. If Miller doesn't want to play center, he is a pussy.

Awww did I hurt your feelings because I called Bosh a pussy? Maybe I should rephrase what I said since you are an idiot and you are taking what I said out of context. He is a pussy all around, thus the reason why he won't play/want to play center because he can't handle it. His pussiness showed last night when an old ass KG worked him. His pussiness will show even further when other big men in the league man handle him, including dwight, if he grows the ball to even defend him.

Are you done being a moron now? Or do I have to spell everything out for you.
Oct 27, 2010 3:33pm
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Oct 27, 2010 3:34 PM
Why is he a pussy for not playing center? He isn't a center.
Oct 27, 2010 3:34pm
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Oct 27, 2010 3:35 PM
karen lotz;535012 wrote:You said "There is a reason why the pussy didn't want to play Center for the raptors." Is this reason because he isn't a center? If that's the case, Dwight Howard is a pussy for not wanting to play shooting guard.

Wow, you upset becuase I didn't award you idiot post of the week? Well HEAR YOU GO Karen!!!

Idiot Post of the Day! Congrats moron.
Oct 27, 2010 3:35pm
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Oct 27, 2010 3:38 PM
karen lotz;535065 wrote:Why is he a pussy for not playing center? He isn't a center.

Reading comprehension FAIL.
Oct 27, 2010 3:38pm
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Oct 27, 2010 3:39 PM
like_that;535072 wrote:Reading comprehension FAIL.

Just a FAIL in general.
Oct 27, 2010 3:39pm
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Oct 27, 2010 3:40 PM
karen lotz;535065 wrote:Why is he a pussy for not playing center? He isn't a center.
Because when people think of center's, they usually think of 7 footers battling down low against each other in the paint. Nobody else on the Raptors had the combo of size and skill that Bosh had, yet he didn't want to play center. He'd rather stand outside and shoot jumpers. He's not physical enough to battle down low.
Oct 27, 2010 3:40pm