FairwoodKing wrote: I brought up a question twice and did not receive a response, so I will bring it up one final time.

What exactly are the aspirations of the Creek fans? What would satisfy you? If you would be satisfied in winning the B8 and just making the playoffs, then I think you have the head coach and the staff and the program to do it. If you aspire to be like Dover and win most of your regular season games and win some playoff games, then I am not sure if your program will stand up. If you aspire to be another Big Red and actually be a state champion contender every year, then I think you would have to make a lot of radical changes. You can't win a state championship if you only have 30 boys on the team. And I'm not sure if Connor and his staff are up to the task. If you had made the playoffs this year, you would have been one and done like the other teams from the Buckeye 8. That may be as far as this staff can take the team.

What do you think?

I honestly don't know. You very well could be right about that. However, if this was the first year that the coach truly had control, then I think we need to see where he goes from here. A 4 win improvement was very nice. Only having 30 some kids from 10th-12th grade is not good, but I would rather the ones that want to win and are willing to work for it. The freshman team was pretty big also. So the numbers next year should be decent.

I think that your questions are a little hard to answer. Are you asking if we will be satisfied with only winning the Buckeye 8 and losing early in the playoffs forever or next year? There is no easy way to go from 2-8 to State Champs. It just doesn't work that way. We need to consistently win and compete for Buckeye 8 Championship. We need to make playoffs more often than not. I think most of us would be thrilled with that for the immediate future. Would I love to have a Nationally recognized program? ABSOLUTELY!!!!! But Rome wan't built in a day and neither was Big Red football. It took time and patience and most of all hard work. The fans need to understand that and the school needs to understand that. What will make it harder is that there are some people that don't believe in putting in the hard work to build something and would rather jump on someone else's wagon and doing it that way. Not that they won't work hard there as well. I don't mean that at all. I just think it would be a much bigger accomplishment to do it where it hasn't been done before.

I said it before and I will say it again, until the coaches get the athletes inside their own school to play football, they will be nothing but a 5 or 6 win team. Alot of athletic kids walking the halls of Creek that dont play football for some reason.

sonofsam wrote:

Al Capone wrote: I can see it now. The big red led by the Manaze boys lose to Creek in the playoffs.LOL.

Headline: "Pancakes are better than Manaze". Creek's 5'6'' Defensive Ends manhandle the 7'6" Manaze Tackles... LOL

LMAO........What goes around comes around.

I would like to say with all that size send them to creek but, I think not and if they have manazes attitude, they mind as well be water boys at best.

You say that there are athletes walking the halls of Indian Creek that do not play football, But what is your definition of athlete?
I saw the hard work this year that was put in by the kids.
There were 64 the first day of lifting, and 40 the first day of summer.
The kids that quit could not hack it!
Does that mean that the coach was to hard on the kids or that they couldn't handle the new work ethic?
I truly don't know the answer, but I do know that if you are an athlete then you are willing to put in the time and effort to be good and win. So are the kids that are walking the halls athletes or are they just athletic?

Until the school board stops trying to run the football program you will be nothing more than a average team at best and Manaze may sound like a complete idiot but some of his comments are true and the problem is some people don't want to face facts.You have had very knowledgable people apply for the head coaching job in the past but were turned down because they wanted to clean house and bring in their own staff.You have people on the staff that are their because of relatives or friends on the school board.The school board should concentrate on trying to run the school district that is in disarray and should be taken over by the state.What makes you think that kids want to bust their butts and give up their free time to play for a losing program year after year.When you change the school board and get rid of the family connection that you have on their you will see a big turn around for this school because some people have only used their position for the advancement of family and friends.Mr.Conors may be a wonderful person but he is not a head coach and would not still be coaching if not for the mingo connection.You have alot of good athletes that are paying the price for this crap and it is a shame that people sit back and let this happen every year to these kids.

homefield wrote: Until the school board stops trying to run the football program you will be nothing more than a average team at best and Manaze may sound like a complete idiot but some of his comments are true and the problem is some people don't want to face facts.You have had very knowledgable people apply for the head coaching job in the past but were turned down because they wanted to clean house and bring in their own staff.You have people on the staff that are their because of relatives or friends on the school board.The school board should concentrate on trying to run the school district that is in disarray and should be taken over by the state.What makes you think that kids want to bust their butts and give up their free time to play for a losing program year after year.When you change the school board and get rid of the family connection that you have on their you will see a big turn around for this school because some people have only used their position for the advancement of family and friends.Mr.Conors may be a wonderful person but he is not a head coach and would not still be coaching if not for the mingo connection.You have alot of good athletes that are paying the price for this crap and it is a shame that people sit back and let this happen every year to these kids.

Amen brother !!!

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this statement...

The school board does NOT control the team anymore... I agree that this was a MAJOR issue and something that I have wanted to pound my head against a brick wall about. I also agree that the school board needs to clean house and start over. But what I do not agree with is that Coach Connor does not deserve a chance. I know how many people were passed up for the job, I know that the board was looking for someone that they could "influence". The fact is that we are all tired of this, including Connor. He made the changes at the end of last season. He has control of this football team. He may not be the "best" coach to ever walk this earth, but he deserves a chance to make things right and point this team in the right direction. I don't understand how hardly any of you can not see what took place this past year? A team that went from the bottom of the worst to a team that is turning around. It doesn't happen in one season, it doesn't happen as fast as you want it to... It takes time... I do know that I was impressed with what I saw this year. If anything, IC has the ability to hold its head high for the first time in a while. Give it a few years, this team will answer all your questions...

homefield wrote: Until the school board stops trying to run the football program you will be nothing more than a average team at best and Manaze may sound like a complete idiot but some of his comments are true and the problem is some people don't want to face facts.You have had very knowledgable people apply for the head coaching job in the past but were turned down because they wanted to clean house and bring in their own staff.You have people on the staff that are their because of relatives or friends on the school board.The school board should concentrate on trying to run the school district that is in disarray and should be taken over by the state.What makes you think that kids want to bust their butts and give up their free time to play for a losing program year after year.When you change the school board and get rid of the family connection that you have on their you will see a big turn around for this school because some people have only used their position for the advancement of family and friends.Mr.Conors may be a wonderful person but he is not a head coach and would not still be coaching if not for the mingo connection.You have alot of good athletes that are paying the price for this crap and it is a shame that people sit back and let this happen every year to these kids.

your 1st post = amazing post. written with more truth than anything so far posted on this thread.

What I don't get is how a 6-4 record is a turn around when they have finshed 6-4 before in the last few years. Lets get this straight Creeks football program needs to be trashed and started over. Is Connors the right guy? I doubt it. Give him one more year no playoffs, no job.

MANAZE wrote:

homefield wrote: Until the school board stops trying to run the football program you will be nothing more than a average team at best and Manaze may sound like a complete idiot but some of his comments are true and the problem is some people don't want to face facts.You have had very knowledgable people apply for the head coaching job in the past but were turned down because they wanted to clean house and bring in their own staff.You have people on the staff that are their because of relatives or friends on the school board.The school board should concentrate on trying to run the school district that is in disarray and should be taken over by the state.What makes you think that kids want to bust their butts and give up their free time to play for a losing program year after year.When you change the school board and get rid of the family connection that you have on their you will see a big turn around for this school because some people have only used their position for the advancement of family and friends.Mr.Conors may be a wonderful person but he is not a head coach and would not still be coaching if not for the mingo connection.You have alot of good athletes that are paying the price for this crap and it is a shame that people sit back and let this happen every year to these kids.

your 1st post = amazing post. written with more truth than anything so far posted on this thread.

What I don't get is how a 6-4 record is a turn around when they have finshed 6-4 before in the last few years. Lets get this straight Creeks football program needs to be trashed and started over. Is Connors the right guy? I doubt it. Give him one more year no playoffs, no job.

I dislike myself for responding to you...but, seriously?!

Playoffs hinge on various things, including, but NOT limited to, talent available for other teams, injuries on your own team, split second calls that win or lose a game and sometimes, straight up luck. So a man's career should hinge on those things? As an NFL coach, sure, it should hinge on that. As an educator and coach of youth athletes, not so much.

well if sos is right then playoffs are in the bag. but thanks for proving a point that most ICHS people enjoy losing.

I really wish we could start a topic to talk about the team and next season. Is there any way mayo can stay on this topic and complain while the rest of us start a 2010 topic?

MANAZE wrote: well if sos is right then playoffs are in the bag. but thanks for proving a point that most ICHS people enjoy losing.

Don't put words in my mouth... Or even use my name for any of your posts... I am not your friend, nor would I even consider trying to have adult conversation with you.

No one enjoys losing... Why you would even think of saying something so stupid is beyond me unless it makes you feel like its retribution for your personal struggles at Creek... The rest of us have a little something called "pride" for our alma mater. Win or lose you just don't jump ship when your team doesn't do as well as you hope... You are a picture perfect "fair weather fan".

MANAZE wrote: What I don't get is how a 6-4 record is a turn around when they have finshed 6-4 before in the last few years. Lets get this straight Creeks football program needs to be trashed and started over. Is Connors the right guy? I doubt it. Give him one more year no playoffs, no job.

Open your eyes... Seriously. Our last "winning" season was 2005 when we went 6-4. 2006 we went 5-5, 2007 we went 3-7, 2008 we went 2-8. That is what you call a "steady decline". I have told you time and time again why 6-4 is a turn around, but you seem to not understand basic english. So HERE GOES AGAIN, THE REASON WHY THIS YEAR WAS A TURN AROUND... After last year, a LOT of people wanted Connor out. We KNEW the school board was running the team and what we needed was a coach that would take the team back. Connor DID that this off-season. The board no longer runs the team... Connor DOES. Last years practices were a joke to the players, this past year was different. He DEMANDED that these players WORK HARD to play in practice and in the weight room. HENCE why so many players quit this year. Weed out the posers and keep the players. In doing so, these kids found out for the first time what happens when a team works hard toward a goal... The WON games. I know how much you hate the flu excuse and I hate it too, but it really did hurt us. We could have gone 7-3 or possibly 8-2 without the impact of the flu. The kids have bought into the fact that hard work pays off and they are already focusing on next year... So Mr. NAZE... You tell me out of what I have showed you here that is different from years past and tell me how a 6-4 record is not an improvement... PLEASE.

I agree that IC should make the play-offs this season. They have a LOT of talent coming back. If they do not, the situation should be looked at closer. One step at a time...

I dislike myself for responding to you...but, seriously?!

Playoffs hinge on various things, including, but NOT limited to, talent available for other teams, injuries on your own team, split second calls that win or lose a game and sometimes, straight up luck. So a man's career should hinge on those things? As an NFL coach, sure, it should hinge on that. As an educator and coach of youth athletes, not so much.
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I will disagree with you on your outlook on high school coaching because it is a job and if you can't perform your job to expectations of your employer then you should not have the job.He can still teach his students at the vocational school and maybe if he can find a ast.coaching job somewhere that would be great or he could volunteer his time with one of the youth leagues in the area and still be involved with football but he is paid to do a job and he is not performing the job.Everyone wants to make excuses about why they lost and what could have been if some of the kids were not sick or if a call went the other way but you must remember that maybe some of the games that were won could have been loses if the other team did not have sick kids or had a bad call go against them but that is sports rather it be high school or college you must be able to perform under any situation but you have a coach that can not even manage the play clock and get plays in on time but give him another year and maybe you will say he deserves another year after that because it rained during a couple games and the field was muddy.This school will always be an average at best program but maybe that is what you all want.The administration showed the whole valley what football program was important to them when they cancelled their own game at the last minute so they could go watch Big Red play a game.

homefield wrote: I will disagree with you on your outlook on high school coaching because it is a job and if you can't perform your job to expectations of your employer then you should not have the job.He can still teach his students at the vocational school and maybe if he can find a ast.coaching job somewhere that would be great or he could volunteer his time with one of the youth leagues in the area and still be involved with football but he is paid to do a job and he is not performing the job.Everyone wants to make excuses about why they lost and what could have been if some of the kids were not sick or if a call went the other way but you must remember that maybe some of the games that were won could have been loses if the other team did not have sick kids or had a bad call go against them but that is sports rather it be high school or college you must be able to perform under any situation but you have a coach that can not even manage the play clock and get plays in on time but give him another year and maybe you will say he deserves another year after that because it rained during a couple games and the field was muddy.This school will always be an average at best program but maybe that is what you all want.The administration showed the whole valley what football program was important to them when they cancelled their own game at the last minute so they could go watch Big Red play a game.

You couldn't be further from the truth... What is it going to take to get you to READ first, THEN make an EDUCATED reply?

Your right, games "could" have gone either way... Big Red "might" have won if Inkster made a mistake... Big Red "might" have won if Braylon Heard was sick. Its all excuses. I was at all but one IC game this year... I follow the program very close. What you are NOT understanding is that we DO WANT TO WIN... You guys are not understanding the things Coach Connor has done this year. He put his neck on the line to get this program going back up instead of down. When he took this team back, the board could have fired him the same way they did Sam... I'm sure he will be the first to tell you that he isn't the nations top High School coach, I'm sure he will tell you that he is pleased with what his coaches and his players have accomplished this year... But what he WON'T tell you is excuses... He leaves that for everyone else to discuss and talk about what a horrible coach he is because his record isn't perfect. Personally I don't care what you think about him, I don't care what you think of our program, I simply don't care... I pay attention to things that happen. #1 He took control of the team, #2 he loves his players like his own kids, #3 he got them to buy into his system, #4 he conditioned them better than any Creek team has been in the last decade, #5 He got rid of the bad apples, #6 He got the players to stop quitting, #7 the players believe in the team and thier coaches...

What more do you want? We are NOT an Ohio powerhouse... We needed to find ourselves as a team before we can push forward... That happened this year. Now its time to start focusing on goals and setting them higher each year.

I don't care what anyone says about Coach Connor and his staff, they are the right guys for the job... The pieces will come together soon enough.

Connor put his neck on the line? Didn't someone say he teachs at JVS? If so what did he put on the line? Nothing, should have been fired after last year. Connors is nothing more than a re-booted Mays.

MANAZE wrote: Connor put his neck on the line? Didn't someone say he teachs at JVS? If so what did he put on the line? Nothing, should have been fired after last year. Connors is nothing more than a re-booted Mays.

As a coach... Not as a teacher. He loves his job, does not want to lose it. I wanted him fired after last year also, but he made BIG changes... Changes that I support 100%. From 2-8 to 6-4... Who knows, follow the trend and we just may go 10-0 next year

homefield wrote: I dislike myself for responding to you...but, seriously?!

Playoffs hinge on various things, including, but NOT limited to, talent available for other teams, injuries on your own team, split second calls that win or lose a game and sometimes, straight up luck. So a man's career should hinge on those things? As an NFL coach, sure, it should hinge on that. As an educator and coach of youth athletes, not so much.

I will disagree with you on your outlook on high school coaching because it is a job and if you can't perform your job to expectations of your employer then you should not have the job.He can still teach his students at the vocational school and maybe if he can find a ast.coaching job somewhere that would be great or he could volunteer his time with one of the youth leagues in the area and still be involved with football but he is paid to do a job and he is not performing the job.Everyone wants to make excuses about why they lost and what could have been if some of the kids were not sick or if a call went the other way but you must remember that maybe some of the games that were won could have been loses if the other team did not have sick kids or had a bad call go against them but that is sports rather it be high school or college you must be able to perform under any situation but you have a coach that can not even manage the play clock and get plays in on time but give him another year and maybe you will say he deserves another year after that because it rained during a couple games and the field was muddy.This school will always be an average at best program but maybe that is what you all want.The administration showed the whole valley what football program was important to them when they cancelled their own game at the last minute so they could go watch Big Red play a game.
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I do not believe that a coach should not be held accountable. I am just one of the many people who have witnessed the change in Indian Creek's head coach this past year and believe he deserves more than a "playoff or go home" attitude from this point. He deserves to be permitted to continue to build the program that he has laid the foundation for.

And to say that the team will never be anything beyond mediocre is a pretty presumptuous statement. Look up the history on the Big Red football program. Focus on the 70's. At that time, I am sure there were people saying that program was destined for mediocrity. Sure, Creek will not win a state championship next year. But what is to say they cannot succeed in the future?

CreekAlum wrote:

homefield wrote: I dislike myself for responding to you...but, seriously?!

Playoffs hinge on various things, including, but NOT limited to, talent available for other teams, injuries on your own team, split second calls that win or lose a game and sometimes, straight up luck. So a man's career should hinge on those things? As an NFL coach, sure, it should hinge on that. As an educator and coach of youth athletes, not so much.

I will disagree with you on your outlook on high school coaching because it is a job and if you can't perform your job to expectations of your employer then you should not have the job.He can still teach his students at the vocational school and maybe if he can find a ast.coaching job somewhere that would be great or he could volunteer his time with one of the youth leagues in the area and still be involved with football but he is paid to do a job and he is not performing the job.Everyone wants to make excuses about why they lost and what could have been if some of the kids were not sick or if a call went the other way but you must remember that maybe some of the games that were won could have been loses if the other team did not have sick kids or had a bad call go against them but that is sports rather it be high school or college you must be able to perform under any situation but you have a coach that can not even manage the play clock and get plays in on time but give him another year and maybe you will say he deserves another year after that because it rained during a couple games and the field was muddy.This school will always be an average at best program but maybe that is what you all want.The administration showed the whole valley what football program was important to them when they cancelled their own game at the last minute so they could go watch Big Red play a game.

I do not believe that a coach should not be held accountable. I am just one of the many people who have witnessed the change in Indian Creek's head coach this past year and believe he deserves more than a "playoff or go home" attitude from this point. He deserves to be permitted to continue to build the program that he has laid the foundation for.

And to say that the team will never be anything beyond mediocre is a pretty presumptuous statement. Look up the history on the Big Red football program. Focus on the 70's. At that time, I am sure there were people saying that program was destined for mediocrity. Sure, Creek will not win a state championship next year. But what is to say they cannot succeed in the future?
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I am not saying that if you don't make the playoffs he should be gone because the playoffs are not in the near future as long as he is still coaching but you keep living in the pipe dream that you are in but if he was winning games people might feel different.When you look back on his history at creek you have had one good year and that was 2005 and that is because of the kids that played that year and if you would have had a coach you would have been maybe 9-1 and made the playoffs but just to show the mentality of the coach at the time,he was more concerned about taking a clump of grass to the central game to give to coach bahen after creek won to show him that realfootball is played on real grass but we all know how that went.Creek will suceed in the future after they decide to make the proper changes but until then we will have to settle for average at best.I could care less what big red did i the 70's or any other time because i am not a fan of their program but you must give credit where credit is due.

It must not be sinking in... Really, it CAN'T be...

You guys are al about coaches... Coaches Coaches Coaches. Please, you are TOTALLY ignorant about the coaching situation... Homefield and NAZE, yes this means you. Do you even know what coaching changes have taken place from last year to this year??? I bet the house you have no friggin' clue. If you guys would LOOK at the FACTS before your ignorance to the truth forces you to type with uneducated fingers then you JUST might see the light... IF and I say a BIG IF you followed Creek in anyway or even remotely had a clue as to what goes on out here you would know that the coaching staff has been re-aligned. Hell we even added a few coaches. But you guys wouldn't know anything about that because all you see is Connor=lose/bad. Anyone remember last years defensive coordinator??? Yea, that guy. HES GONE. That was another time Connor stuck his neck out and risked his job. Politics liked the ex-defensive coordinator, the other coaches did not... Either did most of the players. He was a poison on the sideline that kept to himself, was arrogant, and whined when he didn't get his way. He was what made the coaches and players come "unglued". If you remember Coach Kucz ran the offense... OFFENSE?!?! Kuczy is NOT an offense coach, he is DEFENSE. I think that was pretty evident during his stint as Head Coach at wintersville... One hell of a defense, but lacked offensively. Since that coach was fired, Kuczy was given his old job back. Coach Hammack and Coach Grinch were moved to co-offensive coordinators. Coach Karas was added as a much needed QB coach at Creek. Coach Vandeborne came back to assist, Coach Barrett even showed his mug this year... These are the coaches that Connor WANTS. They are where he WANTS them... Again, 2-8 the old way, 6-4 his way and barely missing a play-off bid. What do you guys not understand about this?!?!?!?! Connor is not the golden child sent from the lands of make believe, he is a FOOTBALL COACH. Dammnit, give the guy some credit for risking this job he loves so much to make things better for the team and the fans. Call me a loser right along with him because I support him. That Coach has done EVERYTHING he was told not to do to get this team turned around. I hope you guys are still around here in a year or two, that way you can put your own foot in your mouth.

sonofsam wrote:

homefield wrote: I will disagree with you on your outlook on high school coaching because it is a job and if you can't perform your job to expectations of your employer then you should not have the job.He can still teach his students at the vocational school and maybe if he can find a ast.coaching job somewhere that would be great or he could volunteer his time with one of the youth leagues in the area and still be involved with football but he is paid to do a job and he is not performing the job.Everyone wants to make excuses about why they lost and what could have been if some of the kids were not sick or if a call went the other way but you must remember that maybe some of the games that were won could have been loses if the other team did not have sick kids or had a bad call go against them but that is sports rather it be high school or college you must be able to perform under any situation but you have a coach that can not even manage the play clock and get plays in on time but give him another year and maybe you will say he deserves another year after that because it rained during a couple games and the field was muddy.This school will always be an average at best program but maybe that is what you all want.The administration showed the whole valley what football program was important to them when they cancelled their own game at the last minute so they could go watch Big Red play a game.

You couldn't be further from the truth... What is it going to take to get you to READ first, THEN make an EDUCATED reply?

Your right, games "could" have gone either way... Big Red "might" have won if Inkster made a mistake... Big Red "might" have won if Braylon Heard was sick. Its all excuses. I was at all but one IC game this year... I follow the program very close. What you are NOT understanding is that we DO WANT TO WIN... You guys are not understanding the things Coach Connor has done this year. He put his neck on the line to get this program going back up instead of down. When he took this team back, the board could have fired him the same way they did Sam... I'm sure he will be the first to tell you that he isn't the nations top High School coach, I'm sure he will tell you that he is pleased with what his coaches and his players have accomplished this year... But what he WON'T tell you is excuses... He leaves that for everyone else to discuss and talk about what a horrible coach he is because his record isn't perfect. Personally I don't care what you think about him, I don't care what you think of our program, I simply don't care... I pay attention to things that happen. #1 He took control of the team, #2 he loves his players like his own kids, #3 he got them to buy into his system, #4 he conditioned them better than any Creek team has been in the last decade, #5 He got rid of the bad apples, #6 He got the players to stop quitting, #7 the players believe in the team and thier coaches...

What more do you want? We are NOT an Ohio powerhouse... We needed to find ourselves as a team before we can push forward... That happened this year. Now its time to start focusing on goals and setting them higher each year.

I don't care what anyone says about Coach Connor and his staff, they are the right guys for the job... The pieces will come together soon enough.

SOS please stop mentioning Big Red in all of your posts!
We all know little sisters are jealous of big brothers, but Creek should not be mentioned in the same breath as Big Red!
It would be greatly appreciated!

CreekAlum wrote:

homefield wrote: I dislike myself for responding to you...but, seriously?!

Playoffs hinge on various things, including, but NOT limited to, talent available for other teams, injuries on your own team, split second calls that win or lose a game and sometimes, straight up luck. So a man's career should hinge on those things? As an NFL coach, sure, it should hinge on that. As an educator and coach of youth athletes, not so much.

I will disagree with you on your outlook on high school coaching because it is a job and if you can't perform your job to expectations of your employer then you should not have the job.He can still teach his students at the vocational school and maybe if he can find a ast.coaching job somewhere that would be great or he could volunteer his time with one of the youth leagues in the area and still be involved with football but he is paid to do a job and he is not performing the job.Everyone wants to make excuses about why they lost and what could have been if some of the kids were not sick or if a call went the other way but you must remember that maybe some of the games that were won could have been loses if the other team did not have sick kids or had a bad call go against them but that is sports rather it be high school or college you must be able to perform under any situation but you have a coach that can not even manage the play clock and get plays in on time but give him another year and maybe you will say he deserves another year after that because it rained during a couple games and the field was muddy.This school will always be an average at best program but maybe that is what you all want.The administration showed the whole valley what football program was important to them when they cancelled their own game at the last minute so they could go watch Big Red play a game.

I do not believe that a coach should not be held accountable. I am just one of the many people who have witnessed the change in Indian Creek's head coach this past year and believe he deserves more than a "playoff or go home" attitude from this point. He deserves to be permitted to continue to build the program that he has laid the foundation for.

And to say that the team will never be anything beyond mediocre is a pretty presumptuous statement. Look up the history on the Big Red football program. Focus on the 70's. At that time, I am sure there were people saying that program was destined for mediocrity. Sure, Creek will not win a state championship next year. But what is to say they cannot succeed in the future?
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You just put connors in some bad company !!! Maybe you should go back and look at the BIG RED history from the 70's, if a coach didnt get it done he got axed !!! BR was a .500 team in the 70's , But also had 4 coaches. SO, are you saying fire those beloved creek coaches? So, why even compare them to BR , unless so are saying fire those coaches?

sonofsam wrote:

MANAZE wrote: well if sos is right then playoffs are in the bag. but thanks for proving a point that most ICHS people enjoy losing.

Don't put words in my mouth... Or even use my name for any of your posts... I am not your friend, nor would I even consider trying to have adult conversation with you.

No one enjoys losing... Why you would even think of saying something so stupid is beyond me unless it makes you feel like its retribution for your personal struggles at Creek... The rest of us have a little something called "pride" for our alma mater. Win or lose you just don't jump ship when your team doesn't do as well as you hope... You are a picture perfect "fair weather fan".

MANAZE wrote: What I don't get is how a 6-4 record is a turn around when they have finshed 6-4 before in the last few years. Lets get this straight Creeks football program needs to be trashed and started over. Is Connors the right guy? I doubt it. Give him one more year no playoffs, no job.

Open your eyes... Seriously. Our last "winning" season was 2005 when we went 6-4. 2006 we went 5-5, 2007 we went 3-7, 2008 we went 2-8. That is what you call a "steady decline". I have told you time and time again why 6-4 is a turn around, but you seem to not understand basic english. So HERE GOES AGAIN, THE REASON WHY THIS YEAR WAS A TURN AROUND... After last year, a LOT of people wanted Connor out. We KNEW the school board was running the team and what we needed was a coach that would take the team back. Connor DID that this off-season. The board no longer runs the team... Connor DOES. Last years practices were a joke to the players, this past year was different. He DEMANDED that these players WORK HARD to play in practice and in the weight room. HENCE why so many players quit this year. Weed out the posers and keep the players. In doing so, these kids found out for the first time what happens when a team works hard toward a goal... The WON games. I know how much you hate the flu excuse and I hate it too, but it really did hurt us. We could have gone 7-3 or possibly 8-2 without the impact of the flu. The kids have bought into the fact that hard work pays off and they are already focusing on next year... So Mr. NAZE... You tell me out of what I have showed you here that is different from years past and tell me how a 6-4 record is not an improvement... PLEASE.

I agree that IC should make the play-offs this season. They have a LOT of talent coming back. If they do not, the situation should be looked at closer. One step at a time...

How come everyone forgets that connors 1st year was 1-9 , then the next year was a "turn around" at 7-3 (no playoffs)? All the word back then was he(connors) will have this IC train rolling, but instead the decline happened. Yes 2-8 to 6-4 is an improvement but not a "turn around". History repeats itself 1-9 to 7-3 & 2-8 to 6-4 are basically the same thing. Same result, watching in week 11. Now we will see where the next 3-4 years takes us, my guess IMHO will still be a .500 team. I hope that they prove me wrong !!! If IC makes the playoffs it will be in 2012 !!! Here is the question, if they still dont make it by then do they fire the coaches or just make another excuse to keep them? Why did it take 6 years for IC to start "working hard"? Just let it be knewn that the last 2 coaches that made them "work hard" are no longer staffed at IC? FACT !!!

sonofsam wrote:

homefield wrote: I will disagree with you on your outlook on high school coaching because it is a job and if you can't perform your job to expectations of your employer then you should not have the job.He can still teach his students at the vocational school and maybe if he can find a ast.coaching job somewhere that would be great or he could volunteer his time with one of the youth leagues in the area and still be involved with football but he is paid to do a job and he is not performing the job.Everyone wants to make excuses about why they lost and what could have been if some of the kids were not sick or if a call went the other way but you must remember that maybe some of the games that were won could have been loses if the other team did not have sick kids or had a bad call go against them but that is sports rather it be high school or college you must be able to perform under any situation but you have a coach that can not even manage the play clock and get plays in on time but give him another year and maybe you will say he deserves another year after that because it rained during a couple games and the field was muddy.This school will always be an average at best program but maybe that is what you all want.The administration showed the whole valley what football program was important to them when they cancelled their own game at the last minute so they could go watch Big Red play a game.

You couldn't be further from the truth... What is it going to take to get you to READ first, THEN make an EDUCATED reply?

Your right, games "could" have gone either way... Big Red "might" have won if Inkster made a mistake... Big Red "might" have won if Braylon Heard was sick. Its all excuses. I was at all but one IC game this year... I follow the program very close. What you are NOT understanding is that we DO WANT TO WIN... You guys are not understanding the things Coach Connor has done this year. He put his neck on the line to get this program going back up instead of down. When he took this team back, the board could have fired him the same way they did Sam... I'm sure he will be the first to tell you that he isn't the nations top High School coach, I'm sure he will tell you that he is pleased with what his coaches and his players have accomplished this year... But what he WON'T tell you is excuses... He leaves that for everyone else to discuss and talk about what a horrible coach he is because his record isn't perfect. Personally I don't care what you think about him, I don't care what you think of our program, I simply don't care... I pay attention to things that happen. #1 He took control of the team, #2 he loves his players like his own kids, #3 he got them to buy into his system, #4 he conditioned them better than any Creek team has been in the last decade, #5 He got rid of the bad apples, #6 He got the players to stop quitting, #7 the players believe in the team and thier coaches...

What more do you want? We are NOT an Ohio powerhouse... We needed to find ourselves as a team before we can push forward... That happened this year. Now its time to start focusing on goals and setting them higher each year.

I don't care what anyone says about Coach Connor and his staff, they are the right guys for the job... The pieces will come together soon enough.

Just want to know why everyone loves to jump on BIG RED when they lose to teams with MAJOR D1 talent? When any other OVAC team schedules a team with MAJOR D1 talent or makes it that far, PLEASE let me know !!! Let me just try this: D. Clark: Penn ST, D. Torrence: Ohio St., A. Benn: Illinois, D. Ifft : Ball St, Storm Cline: Ohio St, M. Shaw: Michigan, D. Gardner: Michigan, N. Roosevelt: Buffalo, C. Borland: Wisconsin,A. Hoppel: D. Wolfe: Cincinnati, J. Adams: Michigan St, K. Lattimore (Ray Lewis brother): Maryland, 2007-2009 Mooney recuits, 2009 Woodland Hills recuits JUST TO NAME A FEW ...Now lets try the Buckeye 8: E.G.C.C

Lets go skins!

Everyone keep buying into this fantasy about next year is the year.When you get rid of the queen bee and her unqualified helpers on the school board is when things will change but until then you will not be able to bring in a qualified coach.I have a question and i am not trying to start a rumor or anythig like that but is it true that Connors agreed to coach at a reduced pay rate just to keep the job.Could someone tell me if that is true or just some bull crap that was said last year at meet the team?