MANAZE wrote: "when he got in" another reason why creek fails every year they rarely sub in no matter who many points they are up.

Manaze please take your kids to Big Red and go on the hundreds of Big Red threads that are out there and stay off IC threads. You are a cancer.

sonofsam wrote:

d.woods50fan. wrote: ^^^^ talk about talent , this year was the "dynasty 10" that was "loaded" and still didnt make playoff, so we still want to talk about no talent or no coach?!?!??!

You sure know a lot about Creek Woods... You sure your not secretly an IC fan? Give it a year or two. Jr. High, freshman, and JV are totally different than Varsity... The best is yet to come

What's the dynasty 10? Did any of those kids quit?

Dynasty 10 self appointed name given to the graduating class 0f 2010 by the class of 2010.
They were very good coming up, and helped turn around the program.

sonofsam wrote:

d.woods50fan. wrote: ^^^^ talk about talent , this year was the "dynasty 10" that was "loaded" and still didnt make playoff, so we still want to talk about no talent or no coach?!?!??!

You sure know a lot about Creek Woods... You sure your not secretly an IC fan? Give it a year or two. Jr. High, freshman, and JV are totally different than Varsity... The best is yet to come

SOS dont tell no one and there is still time 4 you to come to the darkside !!! IMHO IC next chance for playoffs are in 2011 or 2012 (this years freshman will be junior & seniors)

I love people from Creek! I comment about how they don't play underclass men and then you tell me go ahead to big red? ya that makes sense. Why is it offensive to you that ICHS has a bad program and it is the coaches fault for not playing the younger kids. Thats a fact.

d.woods50fan. wrote:

sonofsam wrote:

d.woods50fan. wrote: ^^^^ talk about talent , this year was the "dynasty 10" that was "loaded" and still didnt make playoff, so we still want to talk about no talent or no coach?!?!??!

You sure know a lot about Creek Woods... You sure your not secretly an IC fan? Give it a year or two. Jr. High, freshman, and JV are totally different than Varsity... The best is yet to come

SOS dont tell no one and there is still time 4 you to come to the darkside !!! IMHO IC next chance for playoffs are in 2011 or 2012 (this years freshman will be junior & seniors)

I have no interest in the "darkside"... I am perfectly happy where I am.

MANAZE wrote: I love people from Creek! I comment about how they don't play underclass men and then you tell me go ahead to big red? ya that makes sense. Why is it offensive to you that ICHS has a bad program and it is the coaches fault for not playing the younger kids. Thats a fact.

Naze,

Ummm, A LOT of underclassman played this year... Please go to Big Red. When they laugh at you more than we do, please don't tuck tail and try to buddy buddy us... Just keep on moving and try Edison next.

Underclassman did play a lot this year for I.C.
4 guys played in the secondary. 2 Juniors
3 guys played at IB 1 Junior 1 Soph
3 guys played at OB 1 Soph
10 guys played on the d-line 2-junior, 2 soph
Offense
2 QB played 1 junior, 1 soph
7 o-line 2 junior, 1 soph
6 RB 2 soph, 1 junior
2 TE 1 soph
5 wr, 2 junior, 1 soph
Mayo this is for you. If you did not know this then you must not go to games. Just have a personal problem with the program.

MANAZE wrote: I love people from Creek! I comment about how they don't play underclass men and then you tell me go ahead to big red? ya that makes sense. Why is it offensive to you that ICHS has a bad program and it is the coaches fault for not playing the younger kids. Thats a fact.

It's not from that comment alone and you know that!
You have been spewing negative garbage on these past 2 threads.
Everyone is sick of hearing your crap.

Tell me (not underclass men but non-starters) how many of those that didn't start this year lettered?

Why is it crap to question a program that is nothing but faults? I'm sorry ya I'm from Creek and have my own opinion. I can't buy in to the hype every year that this is the year and to go 6-4 and act like something great happened. There hasn't been a team that has won more than six games since what the 90s?

Staying happy while losing shows the true heart of most Creekers. Some of us however want better for our kids. And if that means transfering them to Big Red or another school when they get to Jr. High so be it.

Indian Creek is a failure at the football level. Maybe they should talked to the girls sports coaches because every year it seems ICHS has better female athletes than male.

They had a losing record in every boys varsity program last year, did you want them to fire every coach? They played a lot of younger guys this year. The played hard and got better from a year ago. I would like to thank the team and coaches for a positive turn around.

Depends I don't really follow the other sports. If it continues like the football program yes. I don't think any other ICHS boys sport has been as bad year in and year out as football.

Only 5 of the guys I listed started.
All lettered.

It doesn't suprise me someone from indian creek isn't getting this.

I'm talking about playing the kids on the bench! Subs! You know all the guys on the sidelines. Those guys never get in. ICHS has a problem putting in SUBS. sorry if I said underclass men when I met they never play anyone but their starters.

I could in time make a list of kids that left Creek for greener pastures down on 4th st. including a kid that left half way during his senior year so he could play baseball for big red. He played exactly 1 more game than Creek.
btw he does deliver my pizza on time so i will give him that.

Al Capone wrote: I could in time make a list of kids that left Creek for greener pastures down on 4th st. including a kid that left half way during his senior year so he could play baseball for big red. He played exactly 1 more game than Creek.
btw he does deliver my pizza on time so i will give him that.

LOL ZZZZIIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGGG!

MANAZE wrote: It doesn't suprise me someone from indian creek isn't getting this.

I'm talking about playing the kids on the bench! Subs! You know all the guys on the sidelines. Those guys never get in. ICHS has a problem putting in SUBS. sorry if I said underclass men when I met they never play anyone but their starters.

The truth finally comes out... You are mad that you didn't play while you were at Creek.

Naze, I am going to put this in the most "layman" terms possible. I will start from the very beginning ONE more time for you...

Creek was formed in 1993, Our football team was horrible, our support was horrible, the coaches were in over their heads. There were more pressing issues at that particular time than football... We were trying to stop the "feud" that was Mingo against Wintersville.

In 1994, Sam Fornsaglio became head coach at Creek. He turned the team around in 1 year. The reason being was because Sam had a plan... WIN and the support will come. Everyone knows the Sam story, 9-1 won't cut it... You have to go 10-0. (lets not forget that they only took the top FOUR teams back then) I remember the stands being PACKED those years because Creek was WINNING. We were not a play-off "contender" per say, but he produced wins. (Mingo and Wintersville were still fighting, the wins just made things a little better) Sam was the type of guy that took care of business. He did what had to be done. If you didn't like it, then oh well... Cry to someone else. Thats exactly what people did, they went to the board crying and whining and the next thing you know, Sam is fired.

Now in 1999 IC made the most BRILLIANT (sarcasm) move yet... They hired Mays. He ran most of talent right our of Creek, what players did stay couldn't stand him, but the board loved him because he played by their rules. This REALLY hurt us. Thank the Lord it didn't last long.

2003-Enter Coach Connor. Coach Connor had high hopes, a new outlook on the program and made a lot of promises. Little did he know that in order to be coach, you had to learn to jump when told, and would not be given full control of the team...

Fast forward to the end of the 2008 season. 2-8... Supporters start coming down on Connor very hard. (Including myself) I wanted him out and I think that most "Creek Faithful" did as well. Then I learned a few things... I had a long talk with a friend that is close to the program and close to Connor. This is when I found out that Connor wasn't the head coach, IC politics ran the team. I learned how frustrated he was as a coach that he couldn't do things to make this team better. I learned that he couldn't have certain coaches where he wanted them. I learned that some of players were on the team for the wrong reasons. I learned that Connor was on pins and needles with fans, and he was about to make a decision that could get him fired. One thing you have to understand about Coach Connor (I had to open my eyes also) is that even though he is a Central grad, he bleeds Red and Gold and his heart is at Creek. He is more than a coach to his players. He loves every kid that plays for him and would be there for them no matter what. Now back to that "decision" he had to make... 2-8... NEVER AGAIN. He fired the defensive coordinator (Thank God) and put the coaches back where they belong. Other coaches who had left because of politics started filtering back in. He took control of this team. He is the FIRST coach at IC to put an off-season MANDATORY work out schedule in. He attended basically every session to ensure the kids knew what he demanded. The roster trimmed up, the "casual players" decided it was hard work to play football now. Players began to look like football players, act like football players, and play like football players. TWO games this year we lost to a superior team being Big Red and Ferry. The Flu hit us EXTREMELY hard mid-season causing us to be without some key players and play physically exhausted. If you notice, none of the players looked "winded" even though they were puking all game long and running a fever. This years team was conditioned. This years team had a different mindset. turning a team from a dismal 2-8 where we beat ourselves more often than getting beaten by our opponet, to a 6-4 team that JUST missed the play-offs and played hard all season. Look at the Big Red game... We scored on their first team defense. We couldn't even score on their 2nd and 3rd string players the previous 2 years. When we put our reserves in they kept scoring. They closed the gap to 35-20 in the 4th and almost made it 35-27. If you noticed, Reno had the first string gathered in a group on the sideline... I would bet the house that if the gap went to 8 points, they were going back in. How many other teams Big Red played this year did that? MORAL VICTORY for Connor and team. UL- PAYBACK. BL- B8 Champs WHO? A flu sickened team that left players at home went to St.C. We found ourselves down late in the game... Mounted a comeback and even a back-up QB came in and led the team down for the game tying score. We lost on a last second kick from a kicker who probably could have kicked it from Indiana and made it. Harrison Central... Again, FLU. Maybe the worst the flu had beaten the team up all year. I think 5 or 6 key players didn't even make the bus ride. Yes HC beat us up pretty good, but I like our chances if they want a healthy rematch...

6-4. Losses to Big Red and Ferry... Better teams and deserved the win. Losses to St.C. and HC... Bitten HARD by the Flu and couldn't play 100%. Seriously Naze, OPEN YOUR EYES... They are getting better! I know of at least 3 players that decided NOT to play basketball because they want to hit the weights EXTRA hard for next years football season... A "NEW" good bug is biting these players, and its Coach Connor and his staff.

15 years of turmoil at IC, 2009 hits and we pass a levy, we have a girls basketball team that is out for blood, a volleyball team that has HOW MANY titles, a softball team that is hungry, a Cross Country team that has done better than ANY in IC history, students that CONTINUE to excel, and finally a football team that is moving forward in the right direction without dwelling on the past...

If you can't see the light NAZE, give up. You are bitter about something. Either open your eyes to everything thats around you, or go elsewhere. Take the time to learn about the changes with an open heart or jump ship... Your call.

All recent " boys and girls" Creek sports have done well.

One a positive note, I talked to some of the players yesterday at the girls game (they beat H.C. by 20) about the lifting. It is just as hard as last year. They were all limping around the game talking about being tired and sore.
Connor keeps up the "tough love".
Think the kids said there were almost 30 guys there.

MANAZE wrote: It doesn't suprise me someone from indian creek isn't getting this.

I'm talking about playing the kids on the bench! Subs! You know all the guys on the sidelines. Those guys never get in. ICHS has a problem putting in SUBS. sorry if I said underclass men when I met they never play anyone but their starters.

I simply don't get you. In case you were too busy following the team down the road to realize this, Creek's team was incredibly small in numbers this year. Many underclassmen had their opportunities to shine! If you want to complain about some clean uniforms on the sidelines, you need to realize that many of those were freshmen. They were dressed for the "just in case."

Also, in order to have a JV game, some of the underclassmen had to not play the entire varsity game. Think about it...Which would better prepare them for the endurance needed to play an entire game: playing a few minutes of a varsity game so that EVERYONE gets to play or playing the length of a JV game? But then again, you seem to be SuperCoach, so I don't know...maybe a 3 minute appearance in a varsity game does the trick in your world.

firemantom26 wrote: All recent " boys and girls" Creek sports have done well.

I agree Tom, was just using a "few" examples... That reply was long enough as it is lol

1.coach Herrick is a better coach than Sam. Sam got run out for a reason.

2.I just want to thank most of the ICHS supporters on here for reminding me why I do hate ICHS.

3.If a bench player was aksed would you rather play on Friday night for a quarter or all 4 quarters on Saturday I'm sure we all know what he would choose.

4.Only at ICHS do they worry more about winning JV games than they do winning Varsity games.

5.Mays would have been a good caoch if he was allowed to bring in his own coaching staff. Point here, Joe Geary knew more about the play book and than Coach Barrett. That is a fact. I was there to see it with my own eyes when Barrett was corrected in front of all the line because he didn't even know the plays he was trying to "teach".

6.ICHS would have supporters if it wasn't for the fact that they do not know how to handle money. Why give money so a school can they waste it on made up jobs.

Question is Connors a teacher at Creek and if he is what does he teach?

sonofsam wrote:

firemantom26 wrote: All recent " boys and girls" Creek sports have done well.

I agree Tom, was just using a "few" examples... That reply was long enough as it is lol

SOS,

Sorry, I am always short and to the point.

MANAZE wrote: 3.If a bench player was aksed would you rather play on Friday night for a quarter or all 4 quarters on Saturday I'm sure we all know what he would choose.

Question is Connors a teacher at Creek and if he is what does he teach?

Okay, you preach about "building a winning program...blah blah blah." So, to build a winning program, what do you do: please all of the players (i.e. get everyone in on a varsity game) or get young players as much experience as possible? If that experience comes as JV, so what?! You are a better player the next year!

Connors teaches at the JVS. For someone bashing the program, shouldn't you know a little something about the head coach?