I'm taking my kids to Big Red because they win football games.

MingoChiefs wrote: Just some facts I found (last six years regular season win totals) teams in Jefferson County
Big Red 59-1 (amazing and speaks volumes to their program)
ICHS 31-29
CCHS 31-29
Buckeye Local 24-35
Toronto 16-43
Edison 12-48

I wonder if this has anything to do with open enrollment? The fact is, without open enrollment Big Red wouldn't be where they are today. Did they have some good years before open enrollment? Yes. But not like the run from the last decade. Ironically, that is when open enrollment was implemented. Coincidence?

Someone posted earlier that girls sports at Creek are doing well. True!
Girls rarely open enroll.

If open enrollment is truly for a "better education" then why do we have so many families in IC that choose to keep their girls here, but send their boys to Big Red.

This wave of open enrollment will stop one day when these parents of younger kids realize that when their kid gets to the high school to play on the hallowed turf of harding Stadium there aren't enough minutes in the game to get their kid in.

These same parents that are sending their kids at such an early age with visions of their sons starting on a state championship team... what will they do when their son isn't good enough to play? Will they transfer them back?

If you try to tell me that people transfer for a better education you are lying.

But to say they strictly open enroll to benefit the sports programs would be pretty idiotic as well. I'm sure it's done for both an advantage in sports and others do it for a better education.

I took my son out of the Massillon schools and open enrolled him in Perry. That's pretty obvious that I didn't do it for football..but for a better education.

Someone posted earlier about changing the name of the football stadium.
How will that help???

The junior high gym is still Paul Sogan Gym (Mingo). Should that change?

The baseball field is John Muth Field (Mingo). Should that change?

The track around the baseball field is concrete. It was not built for track events. It is for the Mingo community to walk on. I bring this up because it was also touched on earlier.

Next year's football team? It will be alot like this year's. The line will be a question mark on both sides of the ball. The offense will be open again like last year and if AY stays healthy, they will put up points.

The kids are busting their tails in the weight room. That is all we can ask for at this point of the year.

Just 1 question ... if open enrollment has everything to do with BR football success and all the great Jefferson CNTY all stars go there ... then why did they drop from D3 to D4 while adding students?

Great question. I have no answer.

Here's one: Why is it that I live in a neighborhood in the heart of the IC district, but every little kid that knocks on my door to play with my kids goes to a Steubenville school? My family is in the minority in my hood by attending IC schools.

But that is their choice. Whatever...
We will see when their kid isn't the star they thought he would be.

if you live in the IC district you either live in mingo or wintersville more than likely, so would you like to tell us where the "hood" is that you live in??

MANAZE wrote: if you live in the IC district you either live in mingo or wintersville more than likely, so would you like to tell us where the "hood" is that you live in??

Oh, sorry... Let me clarify
NEIGHBORHOOD

What about all the kids that come to creek? I know when I was there we had many students transfer to creek some from CCHS, some from SHS, some from EHS. Does that mean if creek goes 10-0 next year but their main stud happens to be a kid that transferred in should they be looked at different?

How many times are the same questions going to be repeated over and over? :huh:

MANAZE wrote: What about all the kids that come to creek? I know when I was there we had many students transfer to creek some from CCHS, some from SHS, some from EHS. Does that mean if creek goes 10-0 next year but their main stud happens to be a kid that transferred in should they be looked at different?

How many of those transfers came strictly for Football? How many of them got scholarships? How many of them had VERY good reasons to switch school districts that were NOT a direct result of sports? How about that NAZE??? Lets hear it.

oh so now you facts sos? well lets see when I was there we had at least six kids that transfered in that started the next year. How many of them got scholarships? I have no idea, know some went an played D-2 and semi pro football but I'm not going to name people on here. They came to creek because they thought they'd be all stars and lets face it big reds third stringers are better than most of creeks first stringers so they were right.

MANAZE wrote:
oh so now you facts sos?-YES

well lets see when I was there we had at least six kids that transfered in that started the next year.-WHO? PM ME

How many of them got scholarships?-ZERO

semi pro football-ONE... HAYDEN and it lasted ONE season. Went from DB/CB to QB and didn't do such a bang up job. Who else NAZE?

SOS-- Don't forget that the open enrollment door swings both ways. All five school districts in Jefferson County have exactly the same open enrollment policy. If all other things were equal, there would probably be the same number of students going to as well as coming from the Steubenville schools. But things are not equal. SHS has a lot of advantages (besides football) that the other schools can't offer. One of them is size. When I graduated from Big Red in 1966, there were 1300 students in the high school. Now there are just over 500 and yet the school was expanded. Big Red could easily accommodate all the current students plus all of Creek's students and still have room to spare. And don't forget that everything in the Steubenville schools is new. In the past dozen years or so, everything was replaced except the façade at the high school and Harding Stadium. And even those items have been constantly renovated. Big Red offers everything from air conditioning to state-of-the-art computer labs. Steubenville also has the best-paid teachers in the valley, so many of the best teachers gravitate there.

Creek does very well with what they've got, but what they have to offer can't compare with Steubenville. That's one of the key reasons why kids choose to attend SHS.

FairwoodKing wrote: Creek does very well with what they've got, but what they have to offer can't compare with Steubenville. That's one of the key reasons why kids choose to attend SHS.

So is that why the score was getting close in the 2nd half of the Creek/Big Red game last year? Had it no been for the pick-six late in the 3rd, the first team defense was going in against Creek's 2nd team offense. Don't even try to cover it up, I was there and even a family member of mine who is a die hard Big Red fan was impressed that in one year Creek made Big Red's Defense huddle around Reno for the call to re-enter the game if we scored... Would have liked to have seen what that team could have done against Big Red this year! The playing field has leveled out a bit... No more super-star QB. And by the way, Toledo isn't D1... The are D-WHO?

So Creek scored on our first-team defense. So what? Big Red played a very sloppy game that night. We had 17 penalties called against us. The following week we shut out a team that was a hundred times better than Creek.

It is very strange that a Creek person would say that he would like to see how well Creek would do against Big Red in 2010. You dropped us, we didn't drop you. It was your AD who wanted to play your home games against us in Harding Stadium.

I hope Creek makes the playoffs this year. I want to see Big Red thrash them again.

sos that last stament made me lol'd.

sonofsam wrote:

FairwoodKing wrote: Creek does very well with what they've got, but what they have to offer can't compare with Steubenville. That's one of the key reasons why kids choose to attend SHS.

So is that why the score was getting close in the 2nd half of the Creek/Big Red game last year? Had it no been for the pick-six late in the 3rd, the first team defense was going in against Creek's 2nd team offense. Don't even try to cover it up, I was there and even a family member of mine who is a die hard Big Red fan was impressed that in one year Creek made Big Red's Defense huddle around Reno for the call to re-enter the game if we scored... Would have liked to have seen what that team could have done against Big Red this year! The playing field has leveled out a bit... No more super-star QB. And by the way, Toledo isn't D1... The are D-WHO?

MANAZE wrote: What about all the kids that come to creek? I know when I was there we had many students transfer to creek some from CCHS, some from SHS, some from EHS. Does that mean if creek goes 10-0 next year but their main stud happens to be a kid that transferred in should they be looked at different?

YES! I believe so.
If Big Red was truly all just Steubenville kids, I would have a much easier time supporting them when they made the playoffs. But sour grapes in regards to kids from West Virginia and every other local high school has caused me to never root for them. Like it or not, it is a fact. They have kids from everywhere.
I wasn't happy when the Big Red rejects came to Creek in the timeframe you speak of. Since then, I can't remember a transfer from Big Red contributing. If the kid is a good athlete, Big Red will do everything in their power to keep them there. Those kids that transferred here were either problem kids or were pine riders. And yes, they were better than what we had so they started in football.

In basketball, we had a few lately from Central. Without them? Not a whole lot. I know that.

FairwoodKing wrote: SOS-- Don't forget that the open enrollment door swings both ways. All five school districts in Jefferson County have exactly the same open enrollment policy. If all other things were equal, there would probably be the same number of students going to as well as coming from the Steubenville schools. But things are not equal. SHS has a lot of advantages (besides football) that the other schools can't offer. One of them is size. When I graduated from Big Red in 1966, there were 1300 students in the high school. Now there are just over 500 and yet the school was expanded. Big Red could easily accommodate all the current students plus all of Creek's students and still have room to spare. And don't forget that everything in the Steubenville schools is new. In the past dozen years or so, everything was replaced except the façade at the high school and Harding Stadium. And even those items have been constantly renovated. Big Red offers everything from air conditioning to state-of-the-art computer labs. Steubenville also has the best-paid teachers in the valley, so many of the best teachers gravitate there.

Creek does very well with what they've got, but what they have to offer can't compare with Steubenville. That's one of the key reasons why kids choose to attend SHS.

I agree, Steubenville has better facilities. Somehow they always have money and they have made it work to the point that they get even more money from open enrollment kids. IC loses a ton of money every year to open enrollment. By losing this money, IC can't keep up. It has created a trickle down effect that is slowly killing the district. As it will the others. It's not Big Red's fault. I know that. It is the system implemented by the state and to Steubenville's credit it has benefitted them greatly.
This trickle down effect has, in turn, greatly helped boys sports at Big Red (minus basketball, can't figure that one out).

My biggest gripe is that schools nowadays are no longer true reflections of the community. Towns have lost their identity. Looking at those records of the county teams over the last few years is a perfect example of what I am talking about. No one can sit here and say that Steubenville has not benefitted from open enrollment greatly. Take away open enrollment and you have more evn records amongst the football teams in Jefferson County. If you can honestly sit at your computer and tell me that open enrollment hasn't helped Big Red more than any other school then you're blind.

One great example, a certain principal in IC district had an up and coming son that was a three sport athlete. The dad was given a principal job at Big Red so his son would come and play QB, SS, and basketball. Son graduates, dad leaves. IC, like a bunch of idiots, give him his job back.

Some of you seem to think that open enrollment is a one way street out of Indian Creek. Creek welcomes many students from the surrounding area. We have students from Edison, Buckeye, Toronto and yes many come from Steubenville. These students come for many reasons, but do not get mentioned on here because most of them do not play football. I do not believe Creek is losing a lot of money to open enrollment, they may even be gaining some.

sonofsam wrote:

FairwoodKing wrote: Creek does very well with what they've got, but what they have to offer can't compare with Steubenville. That's one of the key reasons why kids choose to attend SHS.

So is that why the score was getting close in the 2nd half of the Creek/Big Red game last year? Had it no been for the pick-six late in the 3rd, the first team defense was going in against Creek's 2nd team offense. Don't even try to cover it up, I was there and even a family member of mine who is a die hard Big Red fan was impressed that in one year Creek made Big Red's Defense huddle around Reno for the call to re-enter the game if we scored... Would have liked to have seen what that team could have done against Big Red this year! The playing field has leveled out a bit... No more super-star QB. And by the way, Toledo isn't D1... The are D-WHO?

SOmebody Please let the NCAA know that Toledo isnt D1 !?!!??! DID Toledo get replaced By E.G.C.C because of all the football talent coming from the local village?

Creek loses 14% of it's budget to open enrollment. That 14% goes to Steubenville. All the kids that live on Lovers Lane, Country Club, Cunningham Lane, etc... cost us money. Then add those who live in the heart of the district (behind McDonald's to Crestview) and BAM! Money gone.

Buckcreek, you make my point perfect. Those who transfer to us do it for the right reason. Not to play football.

Again, I am not blaming anyone but the state. It is a bad system. You want a different school? Move into that district.

if you know the numbers for the % loss of creek transfers out how much do they gain from transfers in?

I could never understand why part of the city of Steubenville lies within the Indian Creek district. You would think that anyone living in Steubenville would automatically attend the Steubenville schools.