FairwoodKing wrote: Then in week 11 you get blown out by either Big Red or Dover.

Thats a long way off to worry about getting "blown out" by someone. We just need to focus on off-season workouts right now.

d.woods50fan. wrote: Steubenville, Marlington Alliance, Salem, Granville, Dover, Harrison Central, Northwest Canal Fulton, Buckeye Local, Sheridan, E.L., and New Lexington IMHO will all be in the playoff Hunt, The wins Creek get will be against bad teams most likely so i cant see them having more points than any of the teams listed above.

We were ahead of Marlington, Salem, Canal Fulton, and Sheridan in week 7. That week really hurt us with Harrison Central. BTW, New Lex is D4. We have a very legit shot to get in the play-offs and get somewhere near the middle of the pack.

Did Northwest drop sports?
E.L can't beat Oak Glen, and we have beat E.L in the preseason that last two years.

E.L will be a force more than in the past next year.

sonofsam wrote:

d.woods50fan. wrote: Steubenville, Marlington Alliance, Salem, Granville, Dover, Harrison Central, Northwest Canal Fulton, Buckeye Local, Sheridan, E.L., and New Lexington IMHO will all be in the playoff Hunt, The wins Creek get will be against bad teams most likely so i cant see them having more points than any of the teams listed above.

We were ahead of Marlington, Salem, Canal Fulton, and Sheridan in week 7. That week really hurt us with Harrison Central. BTW, New Lex is D4. We have a very legit shot to get in the play-offs and get somewhere near the middle of the pack.

BTW , NEW LEXINGTON IS D 3 !!! also dont forget about Canton South & Licking Valley, they may make a push !!

Skin_Man wrote: Did Northwest drop sports?
E.L can't beat Oak Glen, and we have beat E.L in the preseason that last two years.

Preseason means nothing !!! BR loses all the time in preseason and always has a good push.

d.woods50fan. wrote:

Skin_Man wrote: Did Northwest drop sports?
E.L can't beat Oak Glen, and we have beat E.L in the preseason that last two years.

Preseason means nothing !!! BR loses all the time in preseason and always has a good push.

But about Regular season? E.L. hung pretty well with a "Macon-less" Big Red through 3 qtrs of football. I agree that preseason doesn't mean much because we pretty much manhandled EL in the preseason.

Over the next few years EL will get a lot better. They had a few kids that were Freshman that they considered moving up to varsity. I talked with a couple people at our scrimmage with them and then went and watched the players they talked about... They were the real deal. They have a lightning quick back that is a Freshman and he can also break tackles. I think he was around 6 foot and almost 200 lbs. They also have some big Freshman lineman coming up. With the coaching change I would have to think in the next year or two they will be a much improved team.

Woods,
I stand corrected about New Lex. They came up to D3 with Big Red, but only posted a 4-6 record this past year. From everything I have read up on it sounds like 2008 was their best chance for the next few years. i wouldn't count on them making a push just yet.

If Canal Fulton was able to keep their sports, they are a team i would not mind playing long term. They usually post good numbers, yet they are a beatable team. I think it would be a good matchup with them, the only issue is that our "respective leagues" as well as the turmoil with their sports program would prevent it from happening.

As much heat as we take from playing John Hay, they should fair well in their league this year. The have what every inner city school has... Athletes. The difference is that John Hay also has coaching to bring it together. It won't be an easy win this upcoming year.

Oak Glen won't be as easy as everyone thinks either, but the one thing that always remains is that no matter how much improvement they show, it seems we always have their number 9 out of 10 times.

I'm not happy with the addition of Weir except that week one should be a win and it will give us decent points since they are an out of state team. Would rather schedule someone that can give us a little bit of a test.

SOS,

I have to disagree with you about Weir. What kind of a test are you talking about? If we were consistently beating everyone and finished 9-1 or 10-0 for years then ok. But we struggle with the schedule we have. We will more than enough "tests" throughout the year. I just hope we can pass enough of them.

icskins wrote: SOS,

I have to disagree with you about Weir. What kind of a test are you talking about? If we were consistently beating everyone and finished 9-1 or 10-0 for years then ok. But we struggle with the schedule we have. We will more than enough "tests" throughout the year. I just hope we can pass enough of them.

So easy wins, a ticket to go one and out in the play-offs are the way to go? Weir is not a good team at all. They do absolutely nothing for IC except provide a win and some points. There is no challenge to playing Weir unless they somehow turn around the downward spiral they have been headed the past few years. Their coach is from Oak Glen... The same coach that had plenty of talented player at OG and could not get the job done. I am happy that we don't open up with Big Red, but at the same time I just feel that we went from a game that measures our growth as a team that can challenge us in pretty much every down, to a team that is mediocre at best, easily beaten if the players play at 80% potential and nothing to gain mentally to start the season. I'm not asking to schedule Big Red, I am asking to keep the level of competition a little more even. It will greatly help us as we move through the season. If IC comes out firing on all cylinders, the starters will be sitting early in the third with absolutely nothing to gain before week 2 but points.

I think it makes a good opener. If you were at the last 4 games that we played weir the games were down right physical. Then we move to week two and John Hay who is a little better than weir, and we get to see how much better we get from week one to week two. Oak Glen will be a big test on the road, and if the rumors of the players they have got as transfers is true, then they could be an 8-2 team next year. Then Buckeye eight play starts and we can say what we want but, it is a good league. All the teams are about equal from 3-6 and there seems to be two top teams and two bad teams each year. We have been in the middle all but the 2-8 year, so it is not like we are outgrowing the Buckeye Eight.

I give up !!! like talking to a wall.

d.woods50fan. wrote: I give up !!! like talking to a wall.

Have you been watching teen mom again woods?

d.woods50fan. wrote: I give up !!! like talking to a wall.

What exactly are you looking to get out of this thread???

I am not saying that I want to play a cupcake in the first week. We have not been doing that at all recently. But what is the point in running into a brick wall the first week? Also, it is not like we have always dominated Weirton. There is also plenty of teams in the conference that will be a big challenge for us. Why not get some wins and confidence under our belts going into conference play?

SOS , you say that creek will make the playoffs as a middle of the road team (guessing you think 4-6 spot) and where are they gettimg these points from? You say weir, edison, bellaire will be bad and no test. John hay might, MIGHT win 4 games next year and OAK Glenn/Buckeye local and Harrison cenral (are they good or bad?) are toss ups. Union Local is close but UL will win,and 2 losses to St. C and Ferry. So of those 6-7 wins Where are the playoff points? Basically nothing from weak wins over Weir, Edison, Bellaire, and John Hay. I find it funny that you sort of put creek on the same level as CFNW (team thats "beatable") who is a playoff regular. Now , I said brick wall cause no matter what Facts you are shown or other creek fans tell you how it is ..... You always try to find a way to say how great creek is, how good they do, or how awesome the teams they play.

d.woods50fan. wrote: SOS , you say that creek will make the playoffs as a middle of the road team (guessing you think 4-6 spot) and where are they gettimg these points from? You say weir, edison, bellaire will be bad and no test. John hay might, MIGHT win 4 games next year and OAK Glenn/Buckeye local and Harrison cenral (are they good or bad?) are toss ups. Union Local is close but UL will win,and 2 losses to St. C and Ferry. So of those 6-7 wins Where are the playoff points? Basically nothing from weak wins over Weir, Edison, Bellaire, and John Hay. I find it funny that you sort of put creek on the same level as CFNW (team thats "beatable") who is a playoff regular. Now , I said brick wall cause no matter what Facts you are shown or other creek fans tell you how it is ..... You always try to find a way to say how great creek is, how good they do, or how awesome the teams they play.

Comming into the Harrison Central game we were ranked at #6 in the region. That was with the losses to Big Red, St.C. and Ferry. This year we have Weir instead of Big Red, an out of state team that will give us a fair share of points with a win. The St.C. game should get us another W. Ferry still worries me, but its possible. HC is also possible. Unless you really follow this team and know what they are capable of, you cannot make an educated guess... and thats all it is. I am banking on the fact that the team continues to move forward and they improve. The B8 is designed to get at least the top 2 teams into the play-offs, sometimes more. Hay will win some games as will Oak Glen (another out of state team. we keep adding them and we will look like Big Red) Did you see these teams play? I did. I know what they have coming back.

What "facts" have you presented? All I have heard is a guess just like mine. I have a guess for you... Big Red will go 7-3 this year or 8-2 at best. What do I base that off of??? Nothing because I haven't watched any of their games except week one.

Its a friendly agree to disagree with fellow IC fans. I know icskins and our overall goal of reaching the playoffs and winning is the same no matter how we feel we should get there.

As far as Canal Fulton goes, I would like to see that match-up. (pending they keep the program) I think it would turn into a good series. I know they consistently make the play-offs, but we do match-up good with them. They beat a Buckeye team that self-destructed under their own coaching. Buckeye should have ran away with that game literally. I was there, I saw it, and I left scratching my head. I believe we would have beaten Buckeye that day with that game plan as well as a lot of other teams in this valley. Not to mention we did scrimmage Northwest and beat them...

If you are not an IC fan that is fine... Its obvious that you show some kind of interest in them whether its curiosity or just to throw a cheap shot when you can, I don't know and honestly its really not a concern of mine. The fact is that I bleed this team, show up every game rain or shine, like to find out every detail I possibly can, debate how the season will go, and support them. For someone like yourself to post "facts" that I haven't seen yet and tell me that IC does not have a chance to improve is bull. I don't know everything there is to know about IC football and i don't claim to... But what i do claim is that I keep extremely up-to-date on whats going on and what our potential is. Its an honest opinion from a fan that pays attention to details. I am sorry if that is not good enough for you. I will not lower my standards because someone from Big Red thinks they know more about IC as well as the rest of D3 region 11 just because they support Big Red. I'm sorry I feel that this year will be a special one and I am sorry that you won't get your wish to see us circle the drain so you can poke... Just not gonna happen.

SOS, I like reading your posts and I also think that every year that Creek will go 10-0 and make the playoffs. That is the hope of every team in the state at this time of year. If you do not set goals then you can not achieve goals. As for those who post uneducated statements about the team, you are also entitled to your opinion. SOS knows his stuff, as does icskins. They follow the team and keep up with all the players and how they are working to get better.

SOS, there are 15 pages on this thread, go back and read ALL the facts that i've stated. You never reply back to any of them just when i give opinions. Why do you think just cause creek plays out of state teams that there are major points ? You get the same points as if they were in state !!! BR just gets major points because their teams WIN more than 3 games !! IMHO BR plays out of state teams cause no OHIO teams want to. Please dont put BR and IC in the same sentence, The only time you can do that is on "The line of Scrimage(toyota)". OH lets not forget that Buckeye should have beat IC because on the last drive a. Bobby Spence dropped the game winning TD on creeks side line b. Dear missed timed his just in endzone to catch game winning score near visitor side line .... " I was there, I saw it, and I left scratching my head ". Yes both on same last drive. BTW I "really follow this team and know what they are capable of' & 'make an educated guess... and thats all it is". THIS ONE IS GOOD ALSO "I will not lower my standards because someone from Big Red thinks they know more about IC as well as the rest of D3 region 11 just because they support Big Red" ..... If You only Knew !!!
Skin_Man i know my stuff also, more than you'll ever know.

I too was at the game with Buckeye, lets not forget if ICHS does not fumble early in 3rd period at the goal line game might have gotten out of hand.

I think what d.woods50fan is saying, is with that schedule the creek needs to go 8-2 to make the playoffs. And if they did get in they would get hammered. With the exception of a few the creek wont have the horses to get to 6 wins.

Al Capone wrote: I think what d.woods50fan is saying, is with that schedule the creek needs to go 8-2 to make the playoffs. And if they did get in they would get hammered. With the exception of a few the creek wont have the horses to get to 6 wins.

Thank you !!! Never said get hammered !! BTW I think they need to win 2 of 3 from Union Local, St. C, Ferry .... Good luck creek.

I agree with you d.woods if we win one of those games this year we would not only have made the playoffs but finished top four. The three this year were St. C, H.C. and Ferry.

Skin_Man wrote: I agree with you d.woods if we win one of those games this year we would not only have made the playoffs but finished top four. The three this year were St. C, H.C. and Ferry.

When I look at those 3 games, I keep in mind that we had St.C. on the ropes. We didn't play good in the first half at all, we came back in the 2nd half, and had the game in the bag if they didn't have such a good kicker. Also remember that David Kemp drove the last IC possesion down for a score. We will be better this year. HC was just a mess. So many kids (and coaches) sick that who knows what would have been if we were 100%. HC was very tough in that game and take nothing away from them, but we were so much better than that game showed... Not saying HC wouldn't still have won that game if we were healthy, but it wouldn't have been as bad as it was. Ferry is the key... Beat Ferry and there is NO reason to lose another game. Ferry remains the toughest team on our schedule. One game at a time, but beat Ferry.

Absolutely, but that is what I have been trying to say. Maybe I haven't said it right. If we can beat every team in the Buckeye 8, then we can beef up the OOC schedule. Until that time, why are we worried about scheduling a game that will be very hard to win? If we can't say that we are the best in the conference, then we will not win in the playoffs anyway. Especially not in this region.

IC has drawn a very hard road to contend in D3 Region 11... We just have to start with what we have and learn to max out potential of every player... The team down the road does it, we just have to push, learn, and keep on moving forward.