Yeah...he only asked a paraplegic to stand up at a campaign stop in 2008.

That remains one of the funniest things I have ever seen a politician do.

Stand up, Chuck. Let everybody see you. Oh....................

BRF;490073 wrote:And welcome to the OC 50 and Over Club! There are actually quite a few of us!

Count me in as one! 50 is the new 40...haven't you heard that yet? lol

Ty Webb;491436 wrote:So because I work in a warehouse and I'm a liberal.....I'm going to spend my entire life in and only want entitlement? What sense does that make? If I wanted to be in an entitlement program....wouldn't I just sit on my ass and not do anything?

300,so I'm stupid and uneducated because I forgot one letter in a word? Again,proves how ignorant some of you are

NAW Ty....here's a little secret for you. I have a hunch that a lot of the more conservative OC posters on here tend to be somewhat older than 21. I would bet that most of us at one point in our lives - say about 21 years old or in that range - also held somewhat more liberal views then than we do now.

But a little thing called life and the experience it brings with time tends to open the eyes to a more realistic world view. Eventually things become more clear.

I have a hunch you'll see more clearly, become a little more wise, and lose your own naive ignorance too when you grow-up.

believer;491874 wrote:Count me in as one! 50 is the new 40...haven't you heard that yet? lol



NAW Ty....here's a little secret for you. I have a hunch that a lot of the more conservative OC posters on here tend to be somewhat older than 21. I would bet that most of us at one point in our lives - say about 21 years old or in that range - also held somewhat more liberal views then than we do now.

But a little thing called life and the experience it brings with time tends to open the eyes to a more realistic world view. Eventually things become more clear.

I have a hunch you'll see more clearly, become a little more wise, and lose your own naive ignorance too when you grow-up.

As much as you old conservatives think...I will never never become a conservative

Ty Webb;492134 wrote:As much as you old conservatives think...I will never never become a conservative

Maybe in some areas you won't....but as you move up the ladder in life, you will learn more and I'm with believer on this one. The key for you is to explore things...learn why things are the way they are....ask questions to others and of yourself....don't believe things just because so-and-so said it was true. I used to be a lot more to the left side in my youth and then I started thinking and asking questions. I highly suggest you do the same and try to be open, as you are a young skull full of mush, as somebody famous likes to point out occasionally.

believer;491874 wrote:Count me in as one! 50 is the new 40...haven't you heard that yet? lol

I like it. I'm feeling a little younger already! . I also like your "life lessons"! There really is an OC 50 and Over Club. I need to add a couple more names to it.

believer;491874 wrote:Count me in as one! 50 is the new 40...haven't you heard that yet? lol



NAW Ty....here's a little secret for you. I have a hunch that a lot of the more conservative OC posters on here tend to be somewhat older than 21. I would bet that most of us at one point in our lives - say about 21 years old or in that range - also held somewhat more liberal views then than we do now.

But a little thing called life and the experience it brings with time tends to open the eyes to a more realistic world view. Eventually things become more clear.

I have a hunch you'll see more clearly, become a little more wise, and lose your own naive ignorance too when you grow-up.

welcome ..grass hopper
OC 50 life lesson has taught you well believier

Politico.com 2012 Presidential Poll

Margin of error: ±3.1%
Sample size: 1,000
November 8–11, 2010

Barack Obama 46% Sarah Palin 33% +13 Obama
Barack Obama 40% Mitt Romney 32% +8 Obama
Barack Obama 39% Tim Pawlenty 21% +18 Obama
Barack Obama 40% Mike Huckabee 34% +6 Obama
Barack Obama 40% Haley Barbour 20% +20 Obama

Hmmm....a poll taken almost a week after the midterms in which President Obama up on every Republicans challenger by atleast 6 points...hmm

Public Policy Polling(State of Virginia)
Margin of error: ±4.2%
Sample size: 551 November 10-13, 2010
Barack Obama 48% Mitt Romney 43% 5
Barack Obama 51% Sarah Palin 40% 11
Barack Obama 49% Mike Huckabee 44% 5
Barack Obama 52% Newt Gingrich 41% 11

I would be willing to bet none of these people get the republican nomination. Many will not even run. I mean who ever heard of Obama in 2006? The talk was all Hillary and will Kerry run again.

So Romney,Huckabee,and Palin aren't going to run?

Ty Webb;563358 wrote:So Romney,Huckabee,and Palin aren't going to run?

I said I would bet they don't get the nomination and many will not run. I can't say which one of those will not run. But a solid fiscal conservative arriving on the scene will make any of these guys look like yesterdays news. Take Chris Christie for instance. I know he says he will not run, but if him or a like candidate emerged onto the national political landscape he/she would make the current list of perceived republican candidates look like chopped liver. Christie won in the blue state of NJ and is getting it done. A candidate in his mold (or himself) could emerge, take a republican nomination, and win the presidency. Whether such a candidate emerges in 2012 remains to be seen.

Ty Webb;563358 wrote:So Romney,Huckabee,and Palin aren't going to run?

I'm with Major on this one. No way any of these potential Repub candidates gets the nomination. I'm convinced someone is waiting in the party wings that will be far more appealing than these 3.

I can see someone like Christie, Mitch Daniels, Bobby Jindal, Tim Pawlenty or even a good electable conservative/mildly libertarian dark horse could emerge.

The obsession the left and their pals in the media have with Palin in particular is laughable. If I were the Dems I'd be far more concerned with the folks I just mentioned than Palin. That one is a huge waste of time.

He would destroy Christie,Daniels,or Pawlenty. Only one who could even make it close is Jindal,and he already said he will NOT run in 2012

He would destroy Christie,Daniels,or Pawlenty.

He won't destroy anybody if the economy doesn't turn around.

The economy has already started to turn around,and Newt Ginrich himself said on Meet The Press last Sunday they we will continue to see growth in the economy and by this time next year we will be at or right under 8 percent unemployment.

Gingrich also made this statement about the 2012 election-"President Obama is beatable in 2012. But if the economy continues to improve(he then said the above things),he will be next to impossible to beat

Ty Webb;564733 wrote:He would destroy Christie,Daniels,or Pawlenty. Only one who could even make it close is Jindal,and he already said he will NOT run in 2012

Come on, Ty. You know better. Of these 4 listed, Jindal is the worst of them.

I'm going to agree that the economy will turn around...and rather quickly, as the election has stopped the socialist agenda and business will start investing some of that capital they've been sitting on for a couple years. Obama will be hard to beat...but he's not going to "destroy" anyone. The Dems have a serious Electoral College problem, as the 2010 census will relocate Dem Electoral votes from NY, Cali and the Progressive NE to Fla, AZ, Texas, and the Carolinas. Obama cannot win without Illinois, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. These states are NOT currently in his corner, so he has much work to do.

Ty Webb;563358 wrote:So Romney,Huckabee,and Palin aren't going to run?

Romney and Palin have no chance of winning the actual election. Huckabee could have a chance.

There are some others that could possibly have a chance in the Republican party if they make the right moves but I still don't see it happening.

If the economy isn't better than what did the Republicans do that was better?

If the economy is better then it's simply because Obama's policies had time to work (Or "Why change the matchup of Rep. Congress and Dem. President that has been working?")

These are some arguments that could/will be thrown out by the Democratic campaign that I imagine would be pretty effective. I don't know what the GOP will run with so I won't comment.

I could actually see the Tea Party candidates hurting the GOP if one of them loses the Republican nomination by a fairly close race and decides to still run.

I Wear Pants;564906 wrote:I could actually see the Tea Party candidates hurting the GOP if one of them loses the Republican nomination by a fairly close race and decides to still run.

You mean you hope the Tea Party hurts the GOP. It's OK. Most of the Left Center and Far Left political persuasion still doesn't understand the Tea Party. This only helps us gain further popularity. If the Left side of the aisle wants to stop the Tea Party, then start to understand them and lobby to them. I don't think the Left can do this as they are against all that the Tea Party is for. To continue to label us as things we aren't....to continue to deny what inroads we've made...to continue to disdain all that we stand for...is to only encourage and strengthen our resolve. The Left's continued statements and views of the Tea Party is not helping the Left's cause...but hurting it. Keep it up...as McDonald's used to say...we're lovin it.

Ok BG....if the Tea Party doesn't hurt Republicans,answer me this...why doesn't the Republican Party control the Senate now??

Ohh,that's right,they nominated 3 Tea Party nitwits and they all lost(including Nevada where Angle was up almost 15 points at one point)

BGFalcons82;564922 wrote:You mean you hope the Tea Party hurts the GOP. It's OK. Most of the Left Center and Far Left political persuasion still doesn't understand the Tea Party. This only helps us gain further popularity. If the Left side of the aisle wants to stop the Tea Party, then start to understand them and lobby to them. I don't think the Left can do this as they are against all that the Tea Party is for. To continue to label us as things we aren't....to continue to deny what inroads we've made...to continue to disdain all that we stand for...is to only encourage and strengthen our resolve. The Left's continued statements and views of the Tea Party is not helping the Left's cause...but hurting it. Keep it up...as McDonald's used to say...we're lovin it.

No. I think that could happen.

When I said I could see it happening that's what I meant.

If I wanted to say hope I would have typed that damned word.

You continue to pretend that the Tea Party is some shining beacon of political idealism instead of a slight change with a different wrapper. Almond vs Peanuts but it's still a fucking Snickers.

All the Tea Party is the far right wing of the Republican Party forming their own party

Ty Webb;565014 wrote:All the Tea Party is the far right wing of the Republican Party forming their own party

No it's a more substantial thing than that. I just don't see it as the great American political revolution that many here do.

I Wear Pants;565019 wrote:No it's a more substantial thing than that. I just don't see it as the great American political revolution that many here do.

You are certainly entitled to your view on the Tea Party phenomenon.

My take on it is that the Tea Party was the conservative/libertarian grassroots movement that sent a clear message to the radical left wing that now controls the Democratic Party that many - if not most - Americans do not share their dream of European-style socialism for the United States.

It's difficult to deny that the Dems achieved near-Super Majority status between 2006 and 2008 and then blew that opportunity in spectacularly rapid fashion after mistakenly believing that they had a "mandate" from the American people to spend our way into prosperity.

Obama's Porkulus Package allegedly designed to stimulate our way out of recession, the growing nightmare of ObamaKare, massive bailout's, and the prospect of cap & tax have all combined to send the Dems packing. And if the Repubs fail in their newest opportunity to govern in a responsible manner, they too should be given a pink slip.

The Tea Party movement may not be a revolution in the strictest sense, but it definitely demonstrates that a significant number of Americans believe Big Government is not the cure-all to our country's ills.

Yet the Dems in particular will forever preach the virtues of Big Government because Big Government promotes dependency, dependency buys votes, and votes equate to political power.

The Tea Party movement should also be a signal to the Dems to tell its radical left element to stand down and move back towards the center. But the fact that they decided to keep Pelosi on as Minority Leader clearly shows who's still in charge of the party. Amazing.

And because of that I can only thank God for the Tea Party movement. Whether or not the Tea Party movement was a revolution is not as relevant as the fact that it will at least keep the radical left fringe of the Democratic Party from doing as much damage.

I think that Prescott is absolutely right. They say that one of the best reasons to study history is to learn from mistakes made in the past and try not to repeat them. During WW2, Winston Churchill was the Prime Minister of Great Britain. He was immensely popular. When the war ended and peace had been restored, the British had an election to select their next PM. Churchill was still immensely popular as a wartime leader but he lost that election. Why? The war had put incredible strains on the British economy and jobs dwindled and things were much tougher for the average citizen. There are many on here, myself included who have consistently stated that if the economy comes around, which I think it will, and jobs become more available, which I believe they will, Obama will win. If things stay really bad for two more years, the conservative agenda will look increasingly tempting to the general electorate. There are a lot of people out there who are just starting to see the tangible results of some of the programs that the President has enacted, and those folks voted for Obama because he promised them something. Generally, Presidents who keep their promises win re-election. It should be a very interesting two years.

It could depend on who decides to vote. The country is polarized and I think who decides to vote will be critical. Will Obama generate the excitement he did in the last election? Will the closet conservatives who disagree with his policies decide to vote in greater numbers?

Ty Webb;565014 wrote:All the Tea Party is the far right wing of the Republican Party forming their own party

Incorrect, again.

The Tea Party is comprised very simply of Americans who believe in fiscal discipline and in adhering to the constitution. See how simple it is; why can't the liberal socialists understand this?


Conservatism is what we used to call Americanism. Tea Partiers are the backbone of Americanism ............ keep beating on them ..... see what happens.