Glory Days;460426 wrote:I dont know Bexley personally, but from what it sounds like, what you just described is why criminals dont go into it. they know they'll get busted for tail light out or window tint or 40 in a 35. and since they have a warrant or whatever, they dont want to risk it. do you know for a fact they are writing tickets? doubt it, because way more warnings are given out than tickets. its all about perception, and you have been sucked in by it. you see someone pulled over and think ticket when in fact, most of the time, its not. it works on you and it works on the criminals, and it keeps them out of the town.

Do I know for a fact they are writing tickets? How in the sam hell would I know what they're doing? Do I see them pointing radar guns? Yep. Do I see them with their red & blue lights flashing? Yep. Do I see them writing things down as the driver looks like they just crapped their pants? Yep. I would be absolutely astonished to find the patrolmen on I-270 issuing more "warnings" than tickets. Let me ask you if you know it for a fact, and if so, where is the public website that portends such info. I'd like to see it for a whole host of reasons.

You also made my point. A larger police presence DOES reduce crime and the brilliant mayor of Columbus has not increased patrols, not placed more officers in high crime areas, and is finding other delicious areas in which to spend his additional 25% in income tax revenue.

By the way, my senior son at OSU has had his 1991 vehicle broken into 3 times and none were on the OSU campus proper...all in the City of Columbus. Cops never showed up to do any investigation work, never came to write a report (just fill out our own damn report and send it in), and didn't give a rat's behind about the dozens of car break-ins in the campus area. Maybe...just freaking maybe...if these punks spent some time in jail they'd get the message that crime doesn't pay. Instead...those paid to protect us would rather write warning tickets to people on freeways. Sound screwed up to you? It is to me.

By the way, my senior son at OSU has had his 1991 vehicle broken into 3 times and none were on the OSU campus proper.

What was stolen?

Cops never showed up to do any investigation work, never came to write a report

Do you want a crime unit dispatched to every car break-in?

CinciX12;460550 wrote:I've seen people held at gunpoint in clintonville, grandview had a guy stabbed walking out of bar i remember, the arena district gets interesting with the drunks..

Basically High St just kinda sucks unless you are on campus.

And NYC has people robbed too and it's still a great city...wtf you guys think this is some crime-free fucking utopia?

LJ;460538 wrote:A goup of kids drove around German village this morning robbing people and shooting people

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so how does that disprove that German Villiage isn't a nice place to live? One instance of something bad does not make the area as a whole bad.

derek bomar;460682 wrote:so how does that disprove that German Villiage isn't a nice place to live? One instance of something bad does not make the area as a whole bad.

Its not just one instance, its just the latest.

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LJ;460687 wrote:Its not just one instance, its just the latest.

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well you can't tell that from your post now can you? Still, one instance, 3 instances, etc...none of that is relevant unless compared against like-sized cities and communities...so if you can show me where the crime rates for German Villiage are higher than that of like-sized neighbourhoods in like-sized cities than I will agree with you that German Village should be nicknamed "little darfur", but until then, I don't think it's that bad.

derek bomar;460699 wrote:well you can't tell that from your post now can you? Still, one instance, 3 instances, etc...none of that is relevant unless compared against like-sized cities and communities...so if you can show me where the crime rates for German Villiage are higher than that of like-sized neighbourhoods in like-sized cities than I will agree with you that German Village should be nicknamed "little darfur", but until then, I don't think it's that bad.

It just illustrates that the problem is city wide, not that German village is a ghetto.

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LJ;460703 wrote:It just illustrates that the problem is city wide, not that German village is a ghetto.

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the problem you speak of isn't native to Columbus only though, and I have no data to back this up, but I imagine that during times of economic recession/depression/stagnation, crime tends to increase everywhere, and in bigger cities significantly. If that's not the case I'll retract it, but I think some of this probably has to do with the overall economic outlook, particularly that of the midwest - unemployment is high across the state and region, and that will breed crime. Does that explain it all? No not at all. Is Coleman an asshat? Yea, you bet. But I don't think the problem is all on his shoulders, nor do I think it's as systemic or bad as some on here make it out to be considering the overall economic conditions we have right now.

Prescott;460651 wrote:What was stolen? - Nice stereo the first time, golf clubs, some cash, CD collection, other misc. stuff. He learned and didn't keep anything of value in it overnight from then on. The 2nd one they tried to hot wire the car but my son ran them off. He got a description, but the police didn't care. Just fill out the form...yadda yadda yadda. The third one they tried to hot wire it again, pop the gas tank, rummaged around looking for the stereo that he never leaves in there now. All 3 resulted in broken side windows, which aren't freaking cheap and the time/effort to get the car fixed each time.


Do you want a crime unit dispatched to every car break-in?

YES! Isn't that what we pay for? What....only tinted windows, texting, no seatbelts and driving 66 earn the distinction of a visit by Columbus' finest, eh? Bullbutter. What's the saying...."to serve and protect". Shame on me for wanting to be served and protected, huh?

Why not just make theft, burglary, breaking and entering and all of those piddly-type crimes a slap on the wrist misdemeanor and get on with real police work on the Interstates? Is it any wonder people are fleeing the cities for suburbia?

YES! Isn't that what we pay for?

Well. my car was broken into while at Tuttle Mall, which I think has a Dublin address. I didn't get a crime unit. Mall security told me I could call the police, but it would be a waste of time.

Why not just make theft, burglary, breaking and entering and all of those piddly-type crimes a slap on the wrist misdemeanor and get on with real police work on the Interstates?

I think you would get a response and maybe a detective if you were a victim of any of the crimes mentioned above. Breaking into a car doesn't compare. Of course, you knew that.

derek bomar;460323 wrote:umm...clintonville, grandview, arena district, german villiage, short north, victorian villiage...that's more than a few others.

take a look to the blocks east and west of short north

BGFalcons82;460630 wrote:Do I know for a fact they are writing tickets? How in the sam hell would I know what they're doing? Do I see them pointing radar guns? Yep. Do I see them with their red & blue lights flashing? Yep. Do I see them writing things down as the driver looks like they just crapped their pants? Yep. I would be absolutely astonished to find the patrolmen on I-270 issuing more "warnings" than tickets. Let me ask you if you know it for a fact, and if so, where is the public website that portends such info. I'd like to see it for a whole host of reasons.

Most departments don’t record warnings or have any proof of it, so even if there was a website, that information wouldn’t be on there. And I get that information from working with cops.

BGFalcons82;460630 wrote: You also made my point. A larger police presence DOES reduce crime and the brilliant mayor of Columbus has not increased patrols, not placed more officers in high crime areas, and is finding other delicious areas in which to spend his additional 25% in income tax revenue.

Where did I mention larger police force? Most of these towns like that only have like 2-3 cops on duty. Its not about having more cops, its about getting strict on the stupid stuff you hate. (seat belts, window tint, cell phones etc)

BGFalcons82;460630 wrote: By the way, my senior son at OSU has had his 1991 vehicle broken into 3 times and none were on the OSU campus proper...all in the City of Columbus. Cops never showed up to do any investigation work, never came to write a report (just fill out our own damn report and send it in), and didn't give a rat's behind about the dozens of car break-ins in the campus area. Maybe...just freaking maybe...if these punks spent some time in jail they'd get the message that crime doesn't pay. Instead...those paid to protect us would rather write warning tickets to people on freeways. Sound screwed up to you? It is to me.

As mentioned earlier, if you had a cop come out to every car break in for a city like columbus, you wouldn’t have cops doing anything else. There isnt much to the report anyway. What time did you last leave the car? What was damaged? Was anything of value taken? You really need a cop to come out and help with that? And those punks are probably career criminals anyway, putting them in jail for a care break in would be like a little vacation to visit their other friends. And you complain about them writing tickets instead of investigation a vehicle break in, I am sure more lives are lost on those highways and money lost on those highways from accidents etc than from car break ins. Makes sense to me. Your son’s property can be replaced(if I cant be replaced, he shouldn’t be leaving it in his car), lives cant be.

derek bomar;460711 wrote:the problem you speak of isn't native to Columbus only though, and I have no data to back this up, but I imagine that during times of economic recession/depression/stagnation, crime tends to increase everywhere, and in bigger cities significantly. If that's not the case I'll retract it, but I think some of this probably has to do with the overall economic outlook, particularly that of the midwest - unemployment is high across the state and region, and that will breed crime. Does that explain it all? No not at all. Is Coleman an asshat? Yea, you bet. But I don't think the problem is all on his shoulders, nor do I think it's as systemic or bad as some on here make it out to be considering the overall economic conditions we have right now.

Columbus is the 7th most dangerous city out of cities 500k+ http://www.morganquitno.com/cit05pop.htm#500,000+

Glory Days;460898 wrote:And you complain about them writing tickets instead of investigation a vehicle break in, I am sure more lives are lost on those highways and money lost on those highways from accidents etc than from car break ins. Makes sense to me. Your son' property can be replaced(if I cant be replaced, he shouldn't be leaving it in his car), lives cant be.

Traffic tickets save lives? Get the fuck out of here with that.

All these white guys that shoot people, rob, rape and assault folks in Columbus should be locked up.

sjmvsfscs08;461006 wrote:Traffic tickets save lives? Get the fuck out of here with that.

Naw, it isnt going anywhere.

http://www.drivers.com/article/636/

In an article published in The Lancet medical journal on June 20, Robert Tibshirani of the Stanford University School of Medicine reported on a study of drivers in Ontario, Canada which indicated that tickets do reduce crashes and save lives. Tibshirani's research indicated that one life is saved for every 80,000 tickets, and one emergency department visit for every 1,300.

http://www.ledgersentinel.com/article.asp?a=8961

Baird said he believes the department's focus on traffic enforcement is a factor in a marked drop in accidents noted in the report.

The report shows police responded to 498 property damage accidents last year, 94 fewer than the 592 that occurred in 2008, while personal injury accidents declined by two, from 106 in 2008 to 104 last year. Hit and run accidents fell by 34, from 106 in 2008 to 72 last year.

yobro08;460895 wrote:take a look to the blocks east and west of short north

umm... west of it is victorian village is it not?

LJ;460995 wrote:Columbus is the 7th most dangerous city out of cities 500k+ http://www.morganquitno.com/cit05pop.htm#500,000+

and where is the breakdown by area within the city? and what was the criteria for that website? property crime or violent crime? the areas that are bad in cbus are really bad, but the ones like german village or victorian village or clintonville where some crime happens occasionally shouldnt be lumped into the discussion, but you seem to want to lump them in

Very entertaining thread.

derek bomar;461177 wrote:and where is the breakdown by area within the city? and what was the criteria for that website? property crime or violent crime? the areas that are bad in cbus are really bad, but the ones like german village or victorian village or clintonville where some crime happens occasionally shouldnt be lumped into the discussion, but you seem to want to lump them in

Why would there be a breakdown within the city, it's all the city of Columbus. You don't see these problems in Bexley, UA, Westerville, Gahanna, etc.

today's headlines

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/08/25/25-columbus-homicide.html?sid=101

Columbus homicide detectives are investigating the fatal shooting of a man in an East Side apartment

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2010/aug/24/8/swat-situation-closes-north-side-street-ar-206653/

The vehicle was traveling off the lot when officers said Moore pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at the vehicle.

Moore got into a vehicle and pursued the vehicle Francia was in, police said.

The pursuit ended at the intersection of Reis and Oakland Park avenues.

Moore continued to fire multiple shots at the other vehicle.

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2010/aug/24/2/man-critical-after-west-side-shooting-ar-206796/

Scott observed a male walking away and shouted at him.

The male suspect produced a handgun and shot Scott in the torso, police said.

A good start would be rounding up every illegal Somali (which is all of them) and sending the whole lot back to Africa. Yeah I said it...back to Africa!

You don't see these problems in Bexley, UA, Westerville, Gahanna, etc.

Why is that?

Prescott;461535 wrote:Why is that?

Police force. Gahanna and Westerville most definitely have their poor parts, so socioeconomic standing cannot be the biggest factor. Westerville is bordered on the south by the Northland area, you don't see that crime making it's way into Westerville. You don't see the crime making it's way into Bexley, yet where the CPD has full reign, you see the crime creeping into those "nice" areas such as german village, clintonville, etc.

see, if Columbus just had a few small pockets of crime (as in a few blocks here and there) I would be all on the "yeah it's just the poor ghetto, yada yada". But it's not, it's VERY widespread within the city proper.

Gahanna and Westerville most definitely have their poor parts, so socioeconomic standing cannot be the biggest factor.

I don't think Gahanna or Westerville has any neighborhoods that are equivalent to the Linden area, the east side from Parsons to Nelson Rd., the bottoms, or the southside along Parsons Avenue.