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Aug 18, 2010 4:16 PM
Point taken, Scarlet, but to seriously ban all peanut-related products from the school is a bit much. Hell, I'd have starved to death as a kid, seeing as I LIVED on PBJ. I understand having to be cautious, but my son had a girl in his class that had a severe peanut allergy in 2nd or 3rd grade and, as someone posted above, she knew to not eat anything she was unsure about and the teacher just asked us not to bring treats that contained peanuts or peanut oil to the class parties. Other than that, it was her and her parents responsibility to regulate it. They didn't ask the entire school to become "peanut free".
Aug 18, 2010 4:16pm
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MontyBrunswick

Aug 18, 2010 4:17 PM
kids are such pussies these days.
Aug 18, 2010 4:17pm
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Aug 18, 2010 4:19 PM
^That is what I say, how can me eating my PBJ affect your little one if they don't touch my sandwich?
Aug 18, 2010 4:19pm
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Aug 18, 2010 4:39 PM
It seems like more kids of allergies these days. Is this a case of more being diagnosed or was there really an increase?
Aug 18, 2010 4:39pm
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MontyBrunswick

Aug 18, 2010 4:41 PM
Websurfinbird;455285 wrote:It seems like more kids of allergies these days. Is this a case of more being diagnosed or was there really an increase?

I'll bet it could be due to all of the anti-bacterial this, and anti-allergen that.

The only thing I'm allergic to is Codeine because I'm a legit balla.
Aug 18, 2010 4:41pm
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Aug 18, 2010 4:43 PM
Scarlet_Buckeye;455219 wrote:Kids that suffer that peanut allergy can actually die pretty quickly from it if they have severe cases. It's really nothing to mess around with.

It is a serious allergy, but does anyone on here ever remember even hearing of a kid dying at school because they ate a peanut? Are more kids today allergic to nuts than 30 years ago? I think banning nuts is a little over the top (unless there is an actual child in the school who is allergic). Parents today feel the need to put their children in a plastic bubble and make sure nothing bad or unfair happens to them. For some reason some parents feel the need to control everything in their children's lives and it's usually those kids that grow up and can't even take care of themselves.
Aug 18, 2010 4:43pm
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Aug 18, 2010 4:45 PM
power i;455289 wrote:It is a serious allergy, but does anyone on here ever remember even hearing of a kid dying at school because they ate a peanut? Are more kids today allergic to nuts than 30 years ago? I think banning nuts is a little over the top (unless there is an actual child in the school who is allergic). Parents today feel the need to put their children in a plastic bubble and make sure nothing bad or unfair happens to them. For some reason some parents feel the need to control everything in their children's lives and it's usually those kids that grow up and can't even take care of themselves.
Not only can't they take care of themselves those are the ones that get bullied, pushed around, basically shut out!!
Aug 18, 2010 4:45pm
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Aug 18, 2010 4:57 PM
Scarlet_Buckeye;455219 wrote:Kids that suffer that peanut allergy can actually die pretty quickly from it if they have severe cases. It's really nothing to mess around with.

kids can die just as fast from bee stings. do we not allow kids to leave the school during recess now? my best friend is allergic to peanuts(she can eat peanut butter though), eggs, and potatoes. she survived public schools. heck she has to read ingredients on everything she buys including shampoo and lip gloss, things you wouldnt think those foods are in, but they are. yet even she doesnt want peanuts banned in schools.
Aug 18, 2010 4:57pm
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Aug 18, 2010 5:19 PM
dlazz;455287 wrote:I'll bet it could be due to all of the anti-bacterial this, and anti-allergen that.
This is correct. There was an article in Time about this a few weeks back. Apparently, allergies are on the rise in the US, primarily as a result of our aseptic society. On the plus side, we're much healthier and live longer. On the minus side, we have all sorts of allergies that result from our underdeveloped immune systems.

People in sub-Saharan Africa have very few allergies, but they also have sky-high infant mortality rates. It's a trade-off.
Aug 18, 2010 5:19pm
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Aug 18, 2010 5:47 PM
George definitely has to be blamed. We didn't see this until he was President. Don't blame the parents for poor practices of our "administration".
Aug 18, 2010 5:47pm
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Aug 18, 2010 6:25 PM
old man ramblings
Aug 18, 2010 6:25pm
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Aug 18, 2010 6:49 PM
power i;455289 wrote:It is a serious allergy, but does anyone on here ever remember even hearing of a kid dying at school because they ate a peanut? Are more kids today allergic to nuts than 30 years ago? I think banning nuts is a little over the top (unless there is an actual child in the school who is allergic). Parents today feel the need to put their children in a plastic bubble and make sure nothing bad or unfair happens to them. For some reason some parents feel the need to control everything in their children's lives and it's usually those kids that grow up and can't even take care of themselves.[/QUOTE]

I agree kids today are generally wimps.

I also see the exact opposite argument used all the time to explain why teenage pregnacy is rising or kids today are druggies, or kids today play video games all day. Which is it, are parents too involved or not involved enough?
Aug 18, 2010 6:49pm
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Aug 18, 2010 6:58 PM
Zoltan I think it is both to be honest. You have the parents that mean well but try to protect littly Johnny and Susie to the point they don't even understand what danger is and where the line is at. Kids need to get out, and just be kids. Yes that means even get into minor trouble and get hurt here and there. Then you have the parents that again mean well but want to protect them from every germ in the book so they are always clean, not allowed to touch things in publc, can't share food/drink, etc...so now their immune system never builds up defenses. Then you have the parents that use the computer/video game console as the babysitter. Then of course you have the parents that just flat out don't care!!

Mixing those types of parents together and bingo
Aug 18, 2010 6:58pm
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Aug 18, 2010 10:09 PM
Glory Days;455311 wrote:kids can die just as fast from bee stings. do we not allow kids to leave the school during recess now? my best friend is allergic to peanuts(she can eat peanut butter though), eggs, and potatoes. she survived public schools. heck she has to read ingredients on everything she buys including shampoo and lip gloss, things you wouldnt think those foods are in, but they are. yet even she doesnt want peanuts banned in schools.
We killed all the bees with cell phones. :)
Aug 18, 2010 10:09pm
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Aug 18, 2010 10:15 PM
BORIStheCrusher;455203 wrote:Speaking of that, when we pack her lunch she is required to have a certain number of things from each food group.
Darkon;455208 wrote:"Required"?
I think all of us see the point, but that seems a little odd.

State is who is mandating it. With our daughter, if you don't pack a required food group, the school provides it and charges you for it. You sign up for it, and agree to it, so you can't really argue it. Just saving their ass. These places HAVE to do it, or some of these kids would come in with shit food and candy. Even though we provide a nutritious diet for our children, that doesn't mean everyone else does. Just pat yourself on the back for doing what is right in the first place.
Aug 18, 2010 10:15pm
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Aug 18, 2010 10:21 PM
ernest_t_bass;455597 wrote:State is who is mandating it. With our daughter, if you don't pack a required food group, the school provides it and charges you for it. You sign up for it, and agree to it, so you can't really argue it. Just saving their ass. These places HAVE to do it, or some of these kids would come in with shit food and candy. Even though we provide a nutritious diet for our children, that doesn't mean everyone else does. Just pat yourself on the back for doing what is right in the first place.

I guess I have been out of the loop to long. Not saying it's a bad thing. I just never heard this before.
Heck when I was in grade school I used my lunch money to play pinball at the local drug store.
Aug 18, 2010 10:21pm
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Aug 18, 2010 10:24 PM
Darkon;455608 wrote:I guess I have been out of the loop to long. Not saying it's a bad thing. I just never heard this before.
Heck when I was in grade school I used my lunch money to play pinball at the local drug store.

This was at the pre-school. The local school does not have the time or man-power to make sure all the kids have all the food groups. Where the local schools get that done is by their provided lunch. The lunch the school makes has the proper requirements. Since the pre-school does not make the lunch, they have to require that the lunches brought in have all the required food groups.
Aug 18, 2010 10:24pm
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Aug 18, 2010 10:28 PM
I want to know what percentage of studnets with asthma.....actually have asthma


I'm going with 33%
Aug 18, 2010 10:28pm
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Aug 18, 2010 10:30 PM
Ironman92;455619 wrote:I want to know what percentage of studnets with asthma.....actually have asthma


I'm going with 33%

I'll give ya asthma.
Aug 18, 2010 10:30pm
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Aug 18, 2010 10:31 PM
ernest_t_bass;455612 wrote:This was at the pre-school. The local school does not have the time or man-power to make sure all the kids have all the food groups. Where the local schools get that done is by their provided lunch. The lunch the school makes has the proper requirements. Since the pre-school does not make the lunch, they have to require that the lunches brought in have all the required food groups.

OK that makes more sense. (preschool)
I was about to ask my wife about this. My kids have not been out of school that long and I thought I missed something.
Aug 18, 2010 10:31pm
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Aug 19, 2010 9:13 AM
I read an interesting article once about how parents today want to put their children in a bubble. In a nutshell the author stated industrialization, modern technology, advanced healthcare and the Pill have changed the way parents interact and care for their children. In the last century, a couple would conceive ten or more children. A woman would start having children in her mid to late teens. They needed a large brood to help work on the farm or in the family business. With the infant birth mortality rate being what it was, they did not expect all of them to survive labor. What's more, they did not expect all of them to reach adulthood and if they did, a young death was not a surprise. However, since they gave birth to so many children, the loss of a child was not as devastating.

Flash forward to today. Parents today on average have two children. Children are not used as additional hands to work on the farm in the family business. Women often do not start having children until a decade or so later than a century ago (sometimes later). With advancements in medicine, infant mortality rates are extremely low. Each child is viewed as special by the parent and they expect no harm to become them.
Aug 19, 2010 9:13am
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Aug 19, 2010 11:38 AM
Little Danny;455935 wrote: In a nutshell

Pun intended? :D
Aug 19, 2010 11:38am
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Aug 19, 2010 11:47 AM
Ironman92;455619 wrote:I want to know what percentage of studnets with asthma.....actually have asthma


I'm going with 33%
No kiddin'!! When I was in school and playing sports, there may have been ONE kid on the team that had asthma. I helped my buddy coach Jr. High basketball one year, and out of 12 kids, 7 had inhalers.
Aug 19, 2010 11:47am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:26 PM
se-alum;456081 wrote:No kiddin'!! When I was in school and playing sports, there may have been ONE kid on the team that had asthma. I helped my buddy coach Jr. High basketball one year, and out of 12 kids, 7 had inhalers.

Don't forget autism and ADD.
Aug 19, 2010 12:26pm
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Aug 19, 2010 9:40 PM
I'm 50 & was definitely one of the "older" parents the last couple of years my youngest two were in school. Some of the "younger" parents who graduated in the early to mid 80's & beyond were ones that bothered me the most with their thoughts on how teachers should run classrooms, etc. I raised my kids the way I was raised ... except I was a "wuss" when letting them walk to school after a semi truck driver tried to pick up my oldest daughter on her daily walk to kindergarten (we live close to interstate too). After that, I drove them until they went to middle school which was closer than the elementary and the sidewalks were mostly side streets rather than main highways.

Definitely agree about allergies, asthma, autism & ADD being more mainstream now ... and I fear it's only going to get worse as the kids with these ailments are being medicated out of the wazoo.

I think processed foods may play a part too.
Aug 19, 2010 9:40pm