Episodes 3 and 4 tonight at 9:00pm. Looks like the focus is on westward expansion.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote: Episodes 3 and 4 tonight at 9:00pm. Looks like the focus is on westward expansion.

I hope they focus on westward into the Ohio Valley for a while. Having read "That Dark and Bloody River" as well as "The Frontiersmen" it is the period in History I am most interested in. Although since they already did the Revolution, which occurred almost simultaneously with the Ohio Valley settlers

Looks like they are going to cover all westward expansion. Focusing on the Cumberland gap in MD at the start. So, they may focus on the Ohio Valley.

still love the show. Now we just found gold.

I do wish they would have explored the War of 1812. The historical significance of that war is way overlooked.

They have skipped alot of IMO, but it would be hard to cover everything in only 6 episodes. Still a pretty cool show though.

I can't believe they covered the Donner party.The history channel has covered this part of westward expansion one too many times.

I did not know hubble ran on whale oil.Now we are learning.lol

I think bringing in random celebrities is dumb. I think bringing in more professional researchers, scientists, experts, etc. would make it better. Like anyone cares what P. Diddy of John Legend thinks.

I was thinking the same thing when Douglas came on.What says actors and famous people represent the American peaple.

Bill Maher, really? As good as this show is and how awesome the animation is, all of these celebrities get exponentially more annoying.

does anyone else just want to sync up the opening sequence from the show with the song "America, Fuck Yea!"?

While I like much of the series, I'm not sure how you can cover this time period without covering the War of 1812 or the Mexcian-American War.

I kinda passed out watching it, but it seemed like they were celebrating Lincoln and saying that the Civil War was over slavery. Revisionist history at it's best. I hate when history gets distorted to fit an agenda, like the Civil War always seems to.

Good ole Dishonest Abe. http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz144.html

bigmanbt wrote: I kinda passed out watching it, but it seemed like they were celebrating Lincoln and saying that the Civil War was over slavery. Revisionist history at it's best. I hate when history gets distorted to fit an agenda, like the Civil War always seems to.

Good ole Dishonest Abe. http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz144.html

Sounds like a bunch of poor losers to me. Lincoln had his faults no doubt. However to say the Civil war had nothing to do with slavery is at best misleading and at most an outright lie. Yes states rights were a large issue but only a small part of it.

I too think the series is good and will continue to watch.

However, I agree, you CAN'T not mention the War of 1812 or Mexican American War.

The computer animation is really good.

I have a feeling though that they are going to put a big emphasis on the Civil War. I know it's important, but I hope they don't dedicate 1 whole hour to it.

Bigdogg wrote:

bigmanbt wrote: I kinda passed out watching it, but it seemed like they were celebrating Lincoln and saying that the Civil War was over slavery. Revisionist history at it's best. I hate when history gets distorted to fit an agenda, like the Civil War always seems to.

Good ole Dishonest Abe. http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz144.html

Lincoln had his faults no doubt. However to say the Civil war had nothing to do with slavery is at best misleading and at most an outright lie. Yes states rights were a large issue but only a small part of it.

Agreed. People need to think about what the states wanted the right to do at that time.

Bigdogg wrote:

bigmanbt wrote: I kinda passed out watching it, but it seemed like they were celebrating Lincoln and saying that the Civil War was over slavery. Revisionist history at it's best. I hate when history gets distorted to fit an agenda, like the Civil War always seems to.

Good ole Dishonest Abe. http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz144.html

Sounds like a bunch of poor losers to me. Lincoln had his faults no doubt. However to say the Civil war had nothing to do with slavery is at best misleading and at most an outright lie. Yes states rights were a large issue but only a small part of it.

State's rights was the MAIN issue, slavery was a part of the Civil War, but not until 1963, 2 years after the war started. As Lincoln put it, the war was to "Preserve the Union", not end slavery. Slavery was being abolished around the world during the 1800s and was reaching the South because of industrialization and would have been ended without the loss of 600,000+ Americans. Lincoln cared not one bit about slavery, he even offered the Southern States to keep slavery as long as they didn't leave the union. Not only that, but Lincoln was also a huge destroyert of liberties, if you read the article you would have seen them.

I think you need to read an actual historical account of the Civil War time period, not what the public school system has chosen to teach cause it's a better story.

bigmanbt wrote:

Bigdogg wrote:

bigmanbt wrote: I kinda passed out watching it, but it seemed like they were celebrating Lincoln and saying that the Civil War was over slavery. Revisionist history at it's best. I hate when history gets distorted to fit an agenda, like the Civil War always seems to.

Good ole Dishonest Abe. http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz144.html

Sounds like a bunch of poor losers to me. Lincoln had his faults no doubt. However to say the Civil war had nothing to do with slavery is at best misleading and at most an outright lie. Yes states rights were a large issue but only a small part of it.

State's rights was the MAIN issue, slavery was a part of the Civil War, but not until 1963, 2 years after the war started. As Lincoln put it, the war was to "Preserve the Union", not end slavery. Slavery was being abolished around the world during the 1800s and was reaching the South because of industrialization and would have been ended without the loss of 600,000+ Americans. Lincoln cared not one bit about slavery, he even offered the Southern States to keep slavery as long as they didn't leave the union. Not only that, but Lincoln was also a huge destroyert of liberties, if you read the article you would have seen them.

I think you need to read an actual historical account of the Civil War time period, not what the public school system has chosen to teach cause it's a better story.

Bullshit.

I've taken several courses on the Civil War and while states rights and the encroachment of federal power were factors, the fact was in the states where slave labor was dominate, they saw the election of Lincoln as the removal of slavery.

The threat of the loss of slavery and the economic impact of that led to South Carolina to secede. Yes, they framed it in a legal, oppressive federal power way, but it was to maintain slavery-the main economic engine of the region.

There were other reasons as well the South ceded, but the main one was their view that Lincoln and the federal government would come in and take away their main way of life-slavery.

Yes, the war was to preserve the Union and not slavery, but for the South, it was to preserve the institution of slavery. The North fought to keep the Union yes, then slavery later. The South fought to keep slavery and their economic model.

I also agree that skipping over the War of 1812 for the spread out west wasn't the best choice. The episode last night was alright, but not as good as the first one.

The Civil War one next is going to be great. Also, we are coming up, in July, on the 150th anniversary of the Battle of Bull Run (Manassas)

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

bigmanbt wrote:

Bigdogg wrote:

bigmanbt wrote: I kinda passed out watching it, but it seemed like they were celebrating Lincoln and saying that the Civil War was over slavery. Revisionist history at it's best. I hate when history gets distorted to fit an agenda, like the Civil War always seems to.

Good ole Dishonest Abe. http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz144.html

Sounds like a bunch of poor losers to me. Lincoln had his faults no doubt. However to say the Civil war had nothing to do with slavery is at best misleading and at most an outright lie. Yes states rights were a large issue but only a small part of it.

State's rights was the MAIN issue, slavery was a part of the Civil War, but not until 1963, 2 years after the war started. As Lincoln put it, the war was to "Preserve the Union", not end slavery. Slavery was being abolished around the world during the 1800s and was reaching the South because of industrialization and would have been ended without the loss of 600,000+ Americans. Lincoln cared not one bit about slavery, he even offered the Southern States to keep slavery as long as they didn't leave the union. Not only that, but Lincoln was also a huge destroyert of liberties, if you read the article you would have seen them.

I think you need to read an actual historical account of the Civil War time period, not what the public school system has chosen to teach cause it's a better story.

Bullshit.......

haha did someone hack your account? doesnt sound like you at all.

Glory Days wrote:
Bullshit.......


haha did someone hack your account? doesnt sound like you at all.

lol, nope it is me. Nothing wrong with calling someone's argument bullshit. Just as long as it doesn't get personal.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

Glory Days wrote:
Bullshit.......


haha did someone hack your account? doesnt sound like you at all.

lol, nope it is me. Nothing wrong with calling someone's argument bullshit. Just as long as it doesn't get personal.

haha no, not saying it was personal. just out of the ordinary for you.

Like to throw a curve ball sometimes lol. Besides, I'm not a fan of the whole, it wasn't about slavery argument, when you go back and read personal testimonies of the war on reasons for it and they claim it was for the preservation of the southern way of life and economy, slavery. The South fought for slavery, the North fought to keep the Union together. Documents and personal histories tell us that.

I'd just like to throw into the mix that the South was also arguing for the expansion of slave states, and had been for a while.