NFL owners don't respect the contracts they sign players to, why should we expect the players to.

It is the only major sport where you can sign a contract for say 10 year/$70 million, and then they can cut you after one season and not have to pay you the other 9 years worth of the money.

They've rigged the game where its heads the owners win and tails the players lose.

The players know they are essentially playing year to year contracts as the team can cut them without consequence whenever. That is why guys are always looking to redo their deals, and often times they are redone. You have to get what you can because you are never more than a fluke Wes Welker type injury from being out on the street when the team cuts you.

Either guarantee all contracts or pay guys accordingly when they out perform their deals. The current system though is too one sided in the owners direction.

It is not fair that the team can walk away at will with no financial responsibility regardless of a signed contract if they deem the players level of play to have materially changed (for the worse in that case), yet when the player performs in a way that exceeds original expectations that are told to live with it and honor the contract in a way owners don't have to. Hence the "heads I win, tails you lose" analogy I used earlier.

DaBrowns41 wrote:

h2thaizzo wrote:

TolCentralCath wrote: Rumors have it Cribbs is going to the 49ers. Cleveland is making a HUGE mistake. Best player on the damn team and they can't get it done. Pathetic. This is why it's so hard to be a Browns fan.

Because they don't want to be THAT team to offer a strictly special teams ace an asinine contract? I think they are holding out hope that bringing in football savvy guys like Holmgren will enable them to add enough talent on the offensive and defensive sides of the ball that will at some point in the near future, allow the fans to forget about the days when our special teams were the bright spot of our team. Our special teams has always been pretty solid, we DON'T need 4 special teams touchdowns if we improve the other aspects of the game.

There's a reason why Cribbs is still a Brown now, and thats because the value for a special teams player isn't nearly enough to warrant us trading him away. If we were offered a second round pick for him at the deadline, do you really think he wouldn't have been moved? I think it would have been a definite trade. Teams like the Colts, are willing to pay him to be there, but they aren't gonna give up a second or hell, even a third, in order to get a special teams star. Why would they? They only managed to win one Super Bowl and over 100 games the last decade without that aspect of the game being very good.

I'd trade Cribbs for Ray McDonald and another player or a 5th round pick or something, and run away with it. He will not be missed as much as he feels he will, nor as much as some fans feel he will. We have enough mid-late round picks to draft a return specialist, a'la Jacoby Ford, Brandon Banks, Ray Fisher, Brandon James, Trindon Holliday, Emmanuel Sanders, etc. Our special teams unit is already good enough without Cribbs to be able to maintain their solid kick coverage play.

So before him, who did we have? It's not as easy finding a KR/PR as you think. It's not as easy to find a team player, and a leader like you think. It's also not easy to find a guy that goes 100% every single play he's on the field.

2.5M isn't much money. There's no reason why they shouldn't pay him, and there's no reason why they won't.

Cribbs will be in Cleveland in 2010.

If you already know this than what are you bitching about? We have money to spend, doesn't mean we should bend over for one guy and give him a 400% contract increase. What do we do when a guy that plays a prime position has a couple good seasons then wants an increase of 400% in his contract? I've seen a team of guys the last month that give 100% every time they are on the field, and our special teams guys have been playing this way all year, and going back to the past few years. As I said, when he performs as he did this year, he deserves to make 3 mil or so. When he plays like he did last year, 16th in the NFL in return yard average, 1 special teams TD, 17th in the league in punt return yardage, you don't deserve to make that figure. His contract should have a fair base salary, 1.4 million is more than fair, incentives that can at least match what his base salary is, and I'd be ok with giving him another signing bonus of 2.5 million or so upfront.

Al Capone wrote: Has anyone ever thought that he doesn't want to be in Cleveland? Since he is under contract, his only way out is to act like this. Cant blame him.

Nope. If he wanted out, he would have sat out prior to 2008, or even 2009, both seasons in which restructuring his contract were big deals.

Good way to take a cheap shot at the Browns though, dick.

Another stupid post from al capone....

I don't care how you slice it, Cribbs is the best player on this team. He is used in so many ways that he might as well be carrying the water as well. This should be a no brainer for Holmgren. My only problem is the timing of his agent going public. Holmgren was only in town for a day and this is made public. Should have held off and waited till other needs were taken care of first.

h2thaizzo wrote: If you already know this than what are you bitching about? We have money to spend, doesn't mean we should bend over for one guy and give him a 400% contract increase. What do we do when a guy that plays a prime position has a couple good seasons then wants an increase of 400% in his contract? I've seen a team of guys the last month that give 100% every time they are on the field, and our special teams guys have been playing this way all year, and going back to the past few years. As I said, when he performs as he did this year, he deserves to make 3 mil or so. When he plays like he did last year, 16th in the NFL in return yard average, 1 special teams TD, 17th in the league in punt return yardage, you don't deserve to make that figure. His contract should have a fair base salary, 1.4 million is more than fair, incentives that can at least match what his base salary is, and I'd be ok with giving him another signing bonus of 2.5 million or so upfront.

I'm not bitching. I'm just saying that you guys are being silly thinking that a guy shouldn't want more money after he's done so much for this team.

Talk about ungrateful bastards, you're the type of Cleveland fans that make me sick. You're willing to risk some of the few good pieces on this football team because he wants less than 2 million more dollars in a season after he just broke the NFL record for KR TD's?

We already suck as it is, and because you don't want to spend a couple million dollars, you want to make the team worse because you don't know what was said, and you are just assuming that Cribbs is being ungrateful.

If I were you, I'd get a little more educated on the subject, before you go slandering others.

Fact: Cribbs said he's fine with 2-3M with incentives
Fact: Dawn Aponte and Holmgren stated that the 1.4 was going to be the only offer as of now, March, and even September, so take it or leave it. Which is what Cleveland opened up with.
Fact: Cribbs is currently making less money than the top 10 highest paid KR/PR's in the league.

You don't think that for a second, the guy should want to be rewarded like a top player in the league for performing like it?

It's ridiculous that you don't think he's earned it.

No doubt he is the best player on the team. I'm saying he wants out of Cleveland so he can play for a contender. And if God "holmgren" dont sign him, good luck on signing other free agents.

IggyPride00 wrote: NFL owners don't respect the contracts they sign players to, why should we expect the players to.

It is the only major sport where you can sign a contract for say 10 year/$70 million, and then they can cut you after one season and not have to pay you the other 9 years worth of the money.

They've rigged the game where its heads the owners win and tails the players lose.

The players know they are essentially playing year to year contracts as the team can cut them without consequence whenever. That is why guys are always looking to redo their deals, and often times they are redone. You have to get what you can because you are never more than a fluke Wes Welker type injury from being out on the street when the team cuts you.

Either guarantee all contracts or pay guys accordingly when they out perform their deals. The current system though is too one sided in the owners direction.

It is not fair that the team can walk away at will with no financial responsibility regardless of a signed contract if they deem the players level of play to have materially changed (for the worse in that case), yet when the player performs in a way that exceeds original expectations that are told to live with it and honor the contract in a way owners don't have to. Hence the "heads I win, tails you lose" analogy I used earlier.

Again, NFL players KNOW this is the situation, its not unfair, they sign the contracts. If NFL players feel they are treated unfairly, and that making the money they make isn't good enough, then either leave the sport for a real job, one likely making millions less, but at least your contract won't be torn up if you underperform, or don't become an NFL player to begin with. The players of the earlier days would play football WHILE maintaining other work, or work in the offseason, and see very little as far as pension or help from the league goes. You want to begin to discuss unfair? Players these days are as spoiled as they come. When their playing days are over, they want to be set for life and never have to work again. Thats not what the NFL was established for. The league does just fine in paying these players, but of course, its the American way of never being given enough.

DaBrowns41 wrote:

h2thaizzo wrote: If you already know this than what are you bitching about? We have money to spend, doesn't mean we should bend over for one guy and give him a 400% contract increase. What do we do when a guy that plays a prime position has a couple good seasons then wants an increase of 400% in his contract? I've seen a team of guys the last month that give 100% every time they are on the field, and our special teams guys have been playing this way all year, and going back to the past few years. As I said, when he performs as he did this year, he deserves to make 3 mil or so. When he plays like he did last year, 16th in the NFL in return yard average, 1 special teams TD, 17th in the league in punt return yardage, you don't deserve to make that figure. His contract should have a fair base salary, 1.4 million is more than fair, incentives that can at least match what his base salary is, and I'd be ok with giving him another signing bonus of 2.5 million or so upfront.

I'm not bitching. I'm just saying that you guys are being silly thinking that a guy shouldn't want more money after he's done so much for this team.

Talk about ungrateful bastards, you're the type of Cleveland fans that make me sick. You're willing to risk some of the few good pieces on this football team because he wants less than 2 million more dollars in a season after he just broke the NFL record for KR TD's?

We already suck as it is, and because you don't want to spend a couple million dollars, you want to make the team worse because you don't know what was said, and you are just assuming that Cribbs is being ungrateful.

If I were you, I'd get a little more educated on the subject, before you go slandering others.

Fact: Cribbs said he's fine with 2-3M with incentives
Fact: Dawn Aponte and Holmgren stated that the 1.4 was going to be the only offer as of now, March, and even September, so take it or leave it. Which is what Cleveland opened up with.
Fact: Cribbs is currently making less money than the top 10 highest paid KR/PR's in the league.

You don't think that for a second, the guy should want to be rewarded like a top player in the league for performing like it?

It's ridiculous that you don't think he's earned it.

No, you are bitching, then, even though I'm a Browns fan, just share an opposing opinion of yours, I make you sick, wonderful. I'd rather make you ill voicing my own opinion than to make you happy by sharing yours.

I look at this differently than you do. You say he wants "less than 2 million more dollars per season" and I see it that he wants 400% more than what he JUST signed for long-term in 2006. They offered him 200% more than his current contract, he was insulted, shit, if the Browns said fuck you, don't play, don't get paid, you aren't getting traded either, I could care less at this point.

Sure, we do suck, but I'm willing to bet that our defense is a ton better than it was this season, and I'm willing to bet that Holmgren is good enough at what he does to help turn the offense around, I'd say if those two factors of the game improve on this team, we won't need special touchdowns, thus paying Cribbs 2.5 million would be deemed unnecessary. He is being ungrateful, and he is being a bitch about the whole thing. As an athlete, he is ONLY worth what someone is willing to pay for him. As of now, we are only willing to pay 1.4 million dollars, which, last I checked is still double what he makes now, right? Thats ungrateful. He can demand a trade if he wants, but if that team isn't willing to offer what we want, he either plays for what we offered him, or doesn't play at all.

Slandering? I merely said I haven't seen anywhere where Cribbs nor Rickert said they would accept 2-3 million. After being "insulted" his agent did say 2.5 million "would have been a starting point", but I have read nowhere that they would accept that number, and you posted a link to a website that required a subscription I don't have, I apologize for being fucking honest O' Holy one.

Show me the document where Holmgren and Co. said final offer to Cribbs, then show me his current contract where Cleveland said they would rip up the current deal and give him anything he wanted as compensation.

I'm sure they used the offer they made and based it partly off what some of the games top paid returners make. He's better than Roscoe Parrish, who was rewarded with a contract he never should have received, so are we liable to pay him more than that just because Buffalo were morons and offered him the extension?

He has played excellent, but in the end, he is still a special teams player, and if and when he is a part of a good football team, the team isn't going to miss his special teams TD like you keep making it out to be. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be pissed if we gave Cribbs the 1.5 million more he wants than we offered, and we missed the opportunity to sign Tony Scheffler, or Richard Marshall, or Brandon Marshall, because we couldn't offer them 1.5 million more since we allotted it to Cribbs, who mind you already SIGNED a contract stating he would play for that amount.

Earning and deserving are two different things. Based on his career, I'd say he has earned to make a little more than what his stupid ass signed for, thats why I am more than fine with giving him a nice signing bonus and throwing in a lot of incentives to the deal. However, he doesn't deserve to be GUARANTEED what he wants to be guaranteed to make just because of his past. He's taken a low profile position to most NFL teams and made a marquis name for himself, but whose to say that next year he doesn't hit rock bottom? I'm willing to make up some of his being underpaid previously in the signing bonus, but I think he needs to continue to EARN the money he feels he is worth. Having 4 special teams TD's and doing what he did this year is worth every bit of 3 million dollars, however, finishing 15th or worse in both return categories and only having on special teams TD isn't worth near that much, as I pointed out from the 2008 season.

Unless something huge changes, the Browns will not offer more than 1.4

Totally agree with DABROWNS on this one...Cribbs is asking a fair amount. It is ridiculous the way the Browns are treating their best player and the greatest kick returner of all time!

pkebker wrote:

HighRoller74 wrote:

miller45452003 wrote: I still say we just trade him for a 1st rounder!!

I'm sure you're being sarcastic, but if not, that deal will never happen, and any team that made the deal, should have the GM fired on the spot.

And I can almost guarantee that if someone offered a #1 for Cribbs, he'd be gone.

The greatest kick returner of all time is not worth a first round draft pick??

Nope. A kick returner is barely worth a 2nd round pick, but doesn't even sniff the value of a #1.

h2thaizzo wrote: No, you are bitching, then, even though I'm a Browns fan, just share an opposing opinion of yours, I make you sick, wonderful. I'd rather make you ill voicing my own opinion than to make you happy by sharing yours.

I look at this differently than you do. You say he wants "less than 2 million more dollars per season" and I see it that he wants 400% more than what he JUST signed for long-term in 2006. They offered him 200% more than his current contract, he was insulted, shit, if the Browns said fuck you, don't play, don't get paid, you aren't getting traded either, I could care less at this point.

Sure, we do suck, but I'm willing to bet that our defense is a ton better than it was this season, and I'm willing to bet that Holmgren is good enough at what he does to help turn the offense around, I'd say if those two factors of the game improve on this team, we won't need special touchdowns, thus paying Cribbs 2.5 million would be deemed unnecessary. He is being ungrateful, and he is being a bitch about the whole thing. As an athlete, he is ONLY worth what someone is willing to pay for him. As of now, we are only willing to pay 1.4 million dollars, which, last I checked is still double what he makes now, right? Thats ungrateful. He can demand a trade if he wants, but if that team isn't willing to offer what we want, he either plays for what we offered him, or doesn't play at all.

Slandering? I merely said I haven't seen anywhere where Cribbs nor Rickert said they would accept 2-3 million. After being "insulted" his agent did say 2.5 million "would have been a starting point", but I have read nowhere that they would accept that number, and you posted a link to a website that required a subscription I don't have, I apologize for being fucking honest O' Holy one.

Show me the document where Holmgren and Co. said final offer to Cribbs, then show me his current contract where Cleveland said they would rip up the current deal and give him anything he wanted as compensation.

I'm sure they used the offer they made and based it partly off what some of the games top paid returners make. He's better than Roscoe Parrish, who was rewarded with a contract he never should have received, so are we liable to pay him more than that just because Buffalo were morons and offered him the extension?

He has played excellent, but in the end, he is still a special teams player, and if and when he is a part of a good football team, the team isn't going to miss his special teams TD like you keep making it out to be. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be pissed if we gave Cribbs the 1.5 million more he wants than we offered, and we missed the opportunity to sign Tony Scheffler, or Richard Marshall, or Brandon Marshall, because we couldn't offer them 1.5 million more since we allotted it to Cribbs, who mind you already SIGNED a contract stating he would play for that amount.

Earning and deserving are two different things. Based on his career, I'd say he has earned to make a little more than what his stupid ass signed for, thats why I am more than fine with giving him a nice signing bonus and throwing in a lot of incentives to the deal. However, he doesn't deserve to be GUARANTEED what he wants to be guaranteed to make just because of his past. He's taken a low profile position to most NFL teams and made a marquis name for himself, but whose to say that next year he doesn't hit rock bottom? I'm willing to make up some of his being underpaid previously in the signing bonus, but I think he needs to continue to EARN the money he feels he is worth. Having 4 special teams TD's and doing what he did this year is worth every bit of 3 million dollars, however, finishing 15th or worse in both return categories and only having on special teams TD isn't worth near that much, as I pointed out from the 2008 season.

It's just upsetting that you can't appreciate what a player does for an organization you root for. Ungrateful fans is just one reason why players don't want to play for some teams, among other things.

I showed you a document. It's not my fault you don't have a subscription to the site, so stop acting like I'm just making up BS. Go do a bit more research and I'm sure you'll find it.

Just be more knowledgeable about what your talking about before you talk shit about it, next time. That's all I'm asking.

If you knew the real story, I'm sure you wouldn't be talking about how Cribbs is a "stupid ass" and how he doesn't deserve to be paid more money.

I'm just going to agree to disagree until you become more educated on the topic.

Lets grab Jordan Shipley in the 2nd round. That'll take care of our special teams (punts) and a SOLID Wes Welker like slot receiver for many years. He is the absolute perfect fit for a slot guy in the WCO. Who's on board??

He should be around in the 3rd. I'd take him there.

Alot of mock drafts I have seen have them taking Golden Tate in the 2nd.

h2thaizzo wrote: Again, NFL players KNOW this is the situation, its not unfair, they sign the contracts. If NFL players feel they are treated unfairly, and that making the money they make isn't good enough, then either leave the sport for a real job, one likely making millions less, but at least your contract won't be torn up if you underperform, or don't become an NFL player to begin with. The players of the earlier days would play football WHILE maintaining other work, or work in the offseason, and see very little as far as pension or help from the league goes. You want to begin to discuss unfair? Players these days are as spoiled as they come. When their playing days are over, they want to be set for life and never have to work again. Thats not what the NFL was established for. The league does just fine in paying these players, but of course, its the American way of never being given enough.

Most of them are in no physical condition to be able to work after their career ends to begin with.

Heck, Earl Campbell didn't even get to 10 years....he hasn't worn shoes in 20 years and needs a shoehorn attached to the end of a cane to be able to pull his slippers or loafers on while standing completely upright.

Anyone that thinks Cribbs is not worth a #1 needs their heads examined. He is a phenominal player. Every playoff team out there would give their number one this year...plus either their left or right nut to be named later.

Footwedge wrote: Anyone that thinks Cribbs is not worth a #1 needs their heads examined. He is a phenominal player. Every playoff team out there would give their number one this year...plus either their left or right nut to be named later.

Then by all means, trade him. The Browns have way bigger needs than an aging KR/PR/Wildcat.

Footwedge wrote: Anyone that thinks Cribbs is not worth a #1 needs their heads examined. He is a phenominal player. Every playoff team out there would give their number one this year...plus either their left or right nut to be named later.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement, but assuming what you say is true, I would have to give some serious thought to trading Cribbs vs. re-signing him. And I'm a big Cribbs supporter who thinks that the Browns low-balled him at 1.4 million. The Browns have so many needs that if you can trade Cribbs for a 1st rounder who would almost certainly be a starter on either offense or defense, I think you have to at least consider it.

BCBulldog wrote:

Footwedge wrote: Anyone that thinks Cribbs is not worth a #1 needs their heads examined. He is a phenominal player. Every playoff team out there would give their number one this year...plus either their left or right nut to be named later.

Then by all means, trade him. The Browns have way bigger needs than an aging KR/PR/Wildcat.

Right because he's getting SO OLD at 26, right?

If you're going to make a comment, be educated on it.

Thanks.

Judas...just pay the guy. He's one of two pro-bowlers on the team. And the only one on the team that can actually produce. Just like the Indians and (I'm fearing) the Cavs, the Browns always deal away their stars and look where they are (and if Lebron leaves, will be)...

i don't believe the Browns will let him go, thats gotta be high on the to do list for the big man

Hesston wrote: i don't believe the Browns will let him go, thats gotta be high on the to do list for the big man

I'm sure it is, which is why Cribbs' public crybaby/diva act is tiresome. The Browns just hired a new president and still don't have a GM, but he and his agent are pushing the issue hard.

It's a stupid thing to do.

Honestly, Cleveland fans like myself are in his corner and want him to get a better contract. But if push comes to shove and he keeps taking his grievances public even before a GM is on-board, he's going to lose that support.

"I don't have to do anything," Cribbs said. "If I have to sit that whole time, I'll sit. There's no way I'll play another down for the Browns without the new contract. But they won't let me sit, because I have value. They'd be forced to trade me because it's a business."

From espn article.

He don't get it. If he sits he doesn't get paid and he can actually be fined for everyday he misses practice and stuff. He is right about one thing, it's business. He needs to take a few weeks off and let Holmgren get a GM in place and quit whining like a cry baby. I like the guy but this behavior does nothing for his value with this team or any other team. He also needs to remember, he is the one that signed a 6 year deal.

DaBrowns41 wrote:

h2thaizzo wrote: No, you are bitching, then, even though I'm a Browns fan, just share an opposing opinion of yours, I make you sick, wonderful. I'd rather make you ill voicing my own opinion than to make you happy by sharing yours.

I look at this differently than you do. You say he wants "less than 2 million more dollars per season" and I see it that he wants 400% more than what he JUST signed for long-term in 2006. They offered him 200% more than his current contract, he was insulted, shit, if the Browns said fuck you, don't play, don't get paid, you aren't getting traded either, I could care less at this point.

Sure, we do suck, but I'm willing to bet that our defense is a ton better than it was this season, and I'm willing to bet that Holmgren is good enough at what he does to help turn the offense around, I'd say if those two factors of the game improve on this team, we won't need special touchdowns, thus paying Cribbs 2.5 million would be deemed unnecessary. He is being ungrateful, and he is being a bitch about the whole thing. As an athlete, he is ONLY worth what someone is willing to pay for him. As of now, we are only willing to pay 1.4 million dollars, which, last I checked is still double what he makes now, right? Thats ungrateful. He can demand a trade if he wants, but if that team isn't willing to offer what we want, he either plays for what we offered him, or doesn't play at all.

Slandering? I merely said I haven't seen anywhere where Cribbs nor Rickert said they would accept 2-3 million. After being "insulted" his agent did say 2.5 million "would have been a starting point", but I have read nowhere that they would accept that number, and you posted a link to a website that required a subscription I don't have, I apologize for being fucking honest O' Holy one.

Show me the document where Holmgren and Co. said final offer to Cribbs, then show me his current contract where Cleveland said they would rip up the current deal and give him anything he wanted as compensation.

I'm sure they used the offer they made and based it partly off what some of the games top paid returners make. He's better than Roscoe Parrish, who was rewarded with a contract he never should have received, so are we liable to pay him more than that just because Buffalo were morons and offered him the extension?

He has played excellent, but in the end, he is still a special teams player, and if and when he is a part of a good football team, the team isn't going to miss his special teams TD like you keep making it out to be. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be pissed if we gave Cribbs the 1.5 million more he wants than we offered, and we missed the opportunity to sign Tony Scheffler, or Richard Marshall, or Brandon Marshall, because we couldn't offer them 1.5 million more since we allotted it to Cribbs, who mind you already SIGNED a contract stating he would play for that amount.

Earning and deserving are two different things. Based on his career, I'd say he has earned to make a little more than what his stupid ass signed for, thats why I am more than fine with giving him a nice signing bonus and throwing in a lot of incentives to the deal. However, he doesn't deserve to be GUARANTEED what he wants to be guaranteed to make just because of his past. He's taken a low profile position to most NFL teams and made a marquis name for himself, but whose to say that next year he doesn't hit rock bottom? I'm willing to make up some of his being underpaid previously in the signing bonus, but I think he needs to continue to EARN the money he feels he is worth. Having 4 special teams TD's and doing what he did this year is worth every bit of 3 million dollars, however, finishing 15th or worse in both return categories and only having on special teams TD isn't worth near that much, as I pointed out from the 2008 season.

It's just upsetting that you can't appreciate what a player does for an organization you root for. Ungrateful fans is just one reason why players don't want to play for some teams, among other things.

I showed you a document. It's not my fault you don't have a subscription to the site, so stop acting like I'm just making up BS. Go do a bit more research and I'm sure you'll find it.

Just be more knowledgeable about what your talking about before you talk shit about it, next time. That's all I'm asking.

If you knew the real story, I'm sure you wouldn't be talking about how Cribbs is a "stupid ass" and how he doesn't deserve to be paid more money.

I'm just going to agree to disagree until you become more educated on the topic.

QUIT putting words into my mouth you dumb fuck. I NEVER said what you referred to was bullshit, you, however, dip shit, weren't so hesitant to take offense to ME pointing out your subscription link as "slander". Stop accusing me of shit I never said, and grow the fuck up. That, or post a god damn website that i don't have to pay to read an article.

Because I don't think that Cleveland HAS to give him the exact dollar amount he wants, and because I am speaking out that he is being a douche bag in regards to the situation at hand, I'm an ungrateful fan? Or wait, am I ungrateful only because I don't share your opinion?

More knowledgeable? Son, you have one subscription that I don't have. Other than that, I have read as much about the situation as you have. Its a known fact that Rickert, ever since Cribbs became his client, has demanded a new contract. He wouldn't even give Holmgren a week to get settled into Berea before pushing the issue yet again, shit, Holmgren didn't even have an office yet. So far, all you've said, or linked us to, is the same shit we already knew. We've heard from Cribbs and his agent, now, whether your blinders are on or not, I don't know, but I am going to assume that Cribbs and his agents words are a little biased to their argument on the issue. Now, to continue, I don't ever remember anyone promising Cribbs 2 or 3 million dollars guaranteed per year. Do you? They promised him they would rework the deal, and have made that offer, and I'm willing to bet they even reworked the bonus amount, which was at around 400k for the current contract. Regardless, they are not required to offer him anything more. Should they? I believe they have, over twice what he currently makes.

There you go again with more idiotic shit. You're going to disagree with me because I don't SHARE your OPINION, not because I have no knowledge on the subject. He deserves 3 million a season when he has a year like he did this year. When he doesn't play as well as this year, he deserves less. He isn't willing to accept a contract that has that out, that makes a large portion of his deal based on incentives. He wants x guaranteed, and then bonus opportunities. I think the team is right to not give in to all of his demands, and you don't. Now, if you would please stop making up shit that I never said, and stop pretending that you're Andre fucking Knott, it would be greatly appreciated.