On Nov 14, 2024:
posted by ptown_trojans_1America assumed the responsibility to protect and defend democracy around the world post World War II. The era of peace and prosperity we have endured since World War II is a result of that.
America should protect and defend democracy around the globe...within reason of course. Ukraine should not be abandoned, but should be encouraged to seek a fair and reasonable solution.
Israel should still be a key US ally, but likewise, within reason.
I don’t disagree with “defending democracy”, but you can’t do that when you are in a yearly trillion dollar deficit. You can’t borrow money from China to send to Ukraine/Israel.
Shit, in the ME we are funding both sides. Arms on one side and “humanitarian aide” on the other. Billions sent from China through the US.
posted by majorsparkThe powers aligned against these nations are not forces for good on this earth.
I don’t disagree, but how can you justify sending billions when we are trillions in debt and close to a trillion deficit every year?
It makes zero sense.
posted by bigorangebuck22Yeah helping people fight for their freedom really angers me too. They should welcome Putin's bootheel with open arms.
Sorry, but there is no valid reason to be financially supporting the two wars (Ukraine and Israel).
posted by BR1986FBIt resonated heavily with men and I know a lot of younger men who are sick of the woke culture.
Men with daughters playing sports it was huge.
It was also big for women who actually played women's sports.
My 42 year old lesbian sister, the demographic you would 100% assume would always vote democratic...refuses to vote for ANYONE who is "ok" with biological men playing with women in sports.
She was a 3 sport athlete in HS, very good (all district level) at 2 of them.
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posted by kizer permanenteI’ve been on Twitter. just hate it. It’s a cesspool. Only time I see tweets is when someone shares something. My oldest is 11 and definitely not allowed to have twitter lol.
Google homepage is where I see most of the news
Same boat, I only have an account for 2 different people I followed about HS wrestling when my son was in HS. Now its only open when I click someone else's link.
On Nov 12, 2024:
posted by brutus161James Earl Jones - 93
World lost a great one this time.
Read that when he knew he was sick, he allowed Disney to record a BUNCH of him saying different words so they could use A.I. in the future for any and all Darth Vader projects and still have Jones' voice as the voice of Vader.
That's rather inspiring of him.
On Nov 9, 2024:
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieYour logic’s got nothing to do with it.
At least I am using logic. You have moved the goalposts a few times just to be contrarian.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieWas talking about Harris and Trump. Nothing more.
Good lord you are insufferable.
For the 4th time this election wasn’t even close, if it was they probably would have bought, just like every close election where either side lost since at least 2000.
Not that hard to follow logic and reason you should try it once.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI was talking about the presidential candidates - for the third time.
As for this March, will it be proceeding down to Washington where the marchers will smash their way into the Capitol?
For the 3rd time both Gore and Hillary fought and/or denied election results. Stop being so dense and just admit both sides are assholes at times when they lose close ones.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieIf that makes you feel better, sure.
Sorry actual election history is not on your side here.
Gore, Hillary, etc all fought and even invented collusion hoaxes.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieConsidering how you’ve beaten that dead horse for months - and in no way intending it as a joke - no it doesn’t.
Yes, because reading minds through a forum is your super power.
posted by kizer permanenteOr it almost like one acknowledges and respects election results and the other is Trump
Again, both sides do this when it’s close.
The Ds did it with Gore in 2000, and with Clinton in 2016.
Acting like Trump was the first in history to contest an election is moronic at best, lying at worst.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieHarris has done zero contesting of the results. We know that would not have happened had the voting gone the other way. Several posters in here insisted she’d hold up the results by immediately suing if she lost.
If it was even remotely close you don’t think the Dems would have fought it?
Even back in 2000 they did with Gore. Both sides fight it when it’s close.
This wasn’t close.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieDude, you have beaten that to a fine, dusty powder. Please, please let it go.
He brought it up as a joke, and I replied as a joke. Hope that helps…
On Nov 8, 2024:
posted by Devils AdvocateWell, I guess if you’re gonna talk about mental states how about I start a “does Trump have Alzheimer‘s” thread? I am sure Jmog will show his significant knowledge and give us an assessment. I will pre-ban her lock geeblock from the discussion.
Not allowed to say that unless you are a medical doctor. You should know better than that.
On Nov 7, 2024:
posted by BR1986FBThis could be interesting...
1. This is a non-starter, as Hamas said "with Jerusalem as our capital". Never going to happen, they know that but sure.
2. I wonder where the left is going to go from here, they laughed at Trump when he said he would end the war "within 24 hrs".
3. Hamas could be trying to negotiate now, knowing they will be negotiating with Israel backed by Biden for a few more months rather than Israel backed by Trump.
posted by CenterBHSFanWell, to be somewhat fair to Kamala, this rejection has been building up for years. I really don't think it was any one thing that flipped a switch for most people, but rather an ongoing accumulation of fuckery. I just think that people were fed up and repulsed by a lot of things until they used Trump as a blunt force weapon to fight back. Again.
I'm telling ya, the Dems better get off their high horse or the lessons will keep coming hard for years to come. JD Vance is starting to grow on people and if he plays his part well, people will vote for him over the likes of Gavin Newsome.
That's another thing - Dems would do well to avoid California Democrats for a while. People don't like that shit.
Agreed, JDV will win in 4 years, especially if Ds keep going after the trope "everyone who doesn't agree with us is a racist/nazi/homophobe".
Picking Newsome or the like from CA is a terrible idea. The rest of the country is sick of the far left "woke" democrats so picking anyone from the west coast, even if they aren't really that far left, is a bad idea.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Yeah, I thought she was going to do better and start to take the momentum from the DNC and drive home the whole change and improving the economy over the last 4 years.
But, nope, they kept hammering Orange Man bad and never Trumpers. Both groups that were already going to vote for her.
I knew she was going to lose a few weeks before when I kept hearing from swing voters talking about the economy and she kept talking about how bad Trump is.
When she ran for POTUS she had to drop out before the first primary because she was polling AMONG DEMOCRATS at like 0.5% (going off memory here).
Biden, once he won the nomination, explicitly said he was going to pick a woman POC as his running mate. Well, of all that had run, she was the only one (Tulsi is pacific islander, but many Ds didn't think she wasn't 'black enough').
So she gets called a DEI hire, but realistically even if he wanted a woman, Warren, Gabbard, Klobuchar, etc were all doing far better than Harris. He directly said he was going to, and picked her because of her skin color.
It's not like he needed California to turn blue due to his VP pick...
So yes, everyone knew she sucked as a candidate except those on the far left who would vote for a serial child rapist as long as they weren't Trump and had a "D" next to their name.
She REALLY lost the middle of the road people when she was asked "what would she do different than Biden" and she said "nothing".
posted by ptown_trojans_1I listened to a portion of the Pod Save America podcast, the former Obama guys that liberals and progressives love. I used to listen to it early in the Trump days, but I was getting too annoyed by them, so stopped some years ago.
They still can't wrap their heads around people voted for Trump thinking he can fix the economy.
Trump winning the popular vote has broken their brains.
Reading the post election tell all articles now, it is evident just how bad Harris was as a candidate and a campaign.
One Post article had the headline the Democrats were baffled at how the economy was the #1 issue
Credit to a lot of posters on here who said Harris was terrible from the start.
1. Basically everyone not completely beholden by the left knew she was a terrible candidate. That wasn't just a few smart people on Ohio Chatter.
2. The democrats not knowing that the economy would be the #1 issue is insane. They lost based on not having economic issues to discuss and only hammering on "Orange man bad" and "Abortion!!!!!!"