devil1197 wrote:

jordo212000 wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote:
Thanks for bringing logical discussion to post in here.

If you're not going to discuss football, then get out of this thread. It's clear you have nothing to add to the conversation.

Quinn completes less than 54% of his passes, has never had a rating higher than 68, and has never thrown more than 8 TDs in a season. But yeah he's not part of the problem.

So you want to select a QB in the first two rounds once again going through seasons with young, inexperienced QB play with no solid defense behind him?

Keep Quinn and bring in a veteran QB via FA. Create a defense first, give Quinn another year as he still has not had a full year of NFL play, and if he fails then you already have a solid defense to hold the team down while you bring in a rookie in the 2011 draft.

DaBrowns41 wrote:

Wow, good thing this is only his first season starting then.

In Manning's first 16 games, he threw for a 56% CP and 28 INT's.

The Colt's should have just given up on him, right?

I'm not saying Brady is Manning, AT ALL. But point is, any idiot knows that you can't judge NFL talent on one season. Quinn doesn't even have a season's worth of starts.

devil1197 wrote: DaBrowns, Berry won't be available after the #5 pick. He will be a Brown hopefully by then.

jordo212000 wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote:

Wow, good thing this is only his first season starting then.

In Manning's first 16 games, he threw for a 56% CP and 28 INT's.

The Colt's should have just given up on him, right?

I'm not saying Brady is Manning, AT ALL. But point is, any idiot knows that you can't judge NFL talent on one season. Quinn doesn't even have a season's worth of starts.

He doesn't have a full season yet, because he can't get on the field. DA was terrible last year and still managed to chalk up some starts. The thing is we football fans really only see the game. The coaches see the guys practicing and they know how good somebody is. Starting an atrocious DA over Quinn tells me everything I need to know. And once Quinn does get on the field, he gets hurt.

In Manning's first 16 games he was a rookie. Quinn is now in his 3rd year. Time to start performing IMO.

DaBrowns41 wrote:
DA started last year because we gave him a very big contract. How dumb would the front office look if they give the guy a huge deal after a "Pro Bowl" season, and then he gets beat out?

Quinn was benched this season to avoid paying him quite a few million bucks for his incentives based on playing time, and because he questioned the play calling.

When you've been through 3 offensive coordinators, it's not really easy for you to learn a new offense each season.

Manning had the pleasure of having a future hall of fame WR and a future Hall of Fame RB.

Quinn has a rookie WR starting, a WR that now plays safety starting, and had about 4 different TE's this season, to go with a RG and RT that lets everything including my dog run right through into the backfield.

You really need to learn how to not just look at stats and know what you're talking about before getting into discussion with the big boys.

jordo212000 wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote:
DA started last year because we gave him a very big contract. How dumb would the front office look if they give the guy a huge deal after a "Pro Bowl" season, and then he gets beat out?

Quinn was benched this season to avoid paying him quite a few million bucks for his incentives based on playing time, and because he questioned the play calling.

When you've been through 3 offensive coordinators, it's not really easy for you to learn a new offense each season.

Manning had the pleasure of having a future hall of fame WR and a future Hall of Fame RB.

Quinn has a rookie WR starting, a WR that now plays safety starting, and had about 4 different TE's this season, to go with a RG and RT that lets everything including my dog run right through into the backfield.

You really need to learn how to not just look at stats and know what you're talking about before getting into discussion with the big boys.

Yeah... it was the incentives that kept Quinn from starting.:rolleyes: That's comical. If the Browns are really that cheap and would rather lose games by playing an inferior QB, that franchise is in even more disarray than I thought.

The big boys? Haha. How old are you?

Mulva wrote: I don't think money is/was an issue.

If it was, Lerner wouldn't be throwing $8-10 million per year at Holmgren, and very possibly firing Mangini after 1 season.

Quinn was benched because he was playing terribly. The QBs didn't separate themselves at all during the preseason, so it's not surprising that he was on a somewhat short leash.

He didn't regain the starting position quickly because of Mangini's ego. Putting Quinn back under center after only 2-3 weeks would be admitting he made a mistake to begin with. He waited as long as he possibly could. Quinn only became the starter again after the bye, when all of the rumors of how upset Lerner was/Mangini possibly being fired DURING the season arose. He had to make the move at that point.

jordo212000 wrote: You're the one claiming that Brady Quinn, even though he is the better QB, was benched in an elaborate attempt to save money. No team is going to do that. Especially a team that has struggled to win recently. No way they want to tick off a P Oed fanbase even more. You play to win the games.

I won't post anymore though. I'll leave this thread to you and "your big boys"

devil1197 wrote:

SportsAndLady wrote: Just to give an example of why I think WRs are more important than a RB, I give you Brett Favre.

Last year with the Jets, they had a good RB, but horrible wide receivers. He does fine for 8 games, then is just completely awful. Then he goes to the Vikings, and has VERY good WRs and he is having one of the best seasons of any QB this year.

Uhhh, Farve was great because he was healthy. He got hurt last year lol what did you expect to happen to his play after he was injured.

Al Capone wrote: You browns fans think Holmgren is some type of savior. Dont worry, he will screw things up like the ones before him.
get rid of quinn
get rid of anderson
get a veteran free agent qb
draft your future qb

Right..he was injured..yet the last 7 games of the season he threw the ball 30+ times...right..injured..

DaBrowns41 wrote:

devil1197 wrote: DaBrowns, Berry won't be available after the #5 pick. He will be a Brown hopefully by then.

Bro, I hope so too, but I could see us taking McClain over Berry. Both are special players.

To be honest, the only way we can be disappointed with this draft is if we reach for Spiller in the top 5, or take a QB.

If we get any of the defensive studs, we'll all be rejoicing.

Al Capone wrote: Dont you have like 11 picks. Figure it out.
Is Holmgren still whining about the Steelers bitch slapping his boys in superbowl XL.
Like I said before, you need to have a good qb to succeed in the nfl. There is not one on the current browns roster.

icskins wrote: If they are going to draft a QB, I am not saying they should, what about the guy from Central Michigan? He should be a later first day pick I think. He throws really well and can move around good.

BCSbunk wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote:

devil1197 wrote: DaBrowns, Berry won't be available after the #5 pick. He will be a Brown hopefully by then.

Bro, I hope so too, but I could see us taking McClain over Berry. Both are special players.

To be honest, the only way we can be disappointed with this draft is if we reach for Spiller in the top 5, or take a QB.

If we get any of the defensive studs, we'll all be rejoicing.

I want to see the combine before taking McClain over Berry. After watching them this season McClain is not that much better than other LB's as far as value goes. Berry though is a top 3 talent IMO.

Yikes Spiller or a Qb would be very disappointing at the 4 or 5 slot.

icskins wrote: If they are going to draft a QB, I am not saying they should, what about the guy from Central Michigan? He should be a later first day pick I think. He throws really well and can move around good.