posted by geeblock

Why would you say it may have jack ass? What evidence do you have that race or gender played a role at all? 

It makes no sense. 

https://x.com/allenk_81/status/1885109890516930574?s=46&t=xrxfs6mLIefacKYITrkV2A

So if he’s not talking about minorities, gays, or women here who is he talking about? 

Who exactly do you think he or anyone means when they say a diversity hire or promotion? A white dude? Cmon man be smart. I know the cognitive dissonance is hard for you on this one. You would have to be pretty dense to say you don’t know who he is talking about or just dishonest 

So you have shown another video where no one said “it was a black dude”

And in that video they never said that the accident was a “diversity hire” either. Is English your second language? They said that they are undoing the lowering of standards caused by DEI programs, that they don’t care about what race or gender just that they all pass the same requirements.

Just admit you were lied or an idiot  you choose.

Show a 6th video of no one saying what you said they said….this is getting comical.

DEI is a stupid ideological process. To use sexism, racism and general bigotry to combat racism, sexism and general bigotry is asinine at face value.

And for geeblock to say "until white people experienced it" says all you need to know about his emotionality and mentality. I have farted better mindsets. 

Exact wording:

Aaron Rupar used to be a paid influencer (cute word for activist). I'm not sure if he still is or not. He's like an older Harry Sisson lol

posted by jmog

So you have shown another video where no one said “it was a black dude”

And in that video they never said that the accident was a “diversity hire” either. Is English your second language? They said that they are undoing the lowering of standards caused by DEI programs, that they don’t care about what race or gender just that they all pass the same requirements.

Just admit you were lied or an idiot  you choose.

Show a 6th video of no one saying what you said they said….this is getting comical.

What standards were lowered?  Also I said Minorities not black people.  Asking people from diverse backgrounds is lowering standards?  If he isnt talking about race, why is fox news playing on repeat the clip of them asking students from HBCU's , Spanish speaking people or native Americans to apply?  Where are you getting that someone who is hired or promoted through a DEI program hasn't met the requirements?  It's possible that a person could be hired or promoted through one of these programs and be OVERQUALIFIED also correct?  Are you going to come back on and apologize when this has nothing to do with DEI?  You cant really look yourself in the mirror with a straight face and say that when they spent the day saying DEI hires that they werent referencing minorities can you?  He literally said he was referencing minorities and women as possible suspects.  I know it’s hard to admit.  Do engineers lack skills to make inferences or read between the lines?  You literally are the only person on the planet trying to make this argument that you have no idea who he is referencing.

posted by geeblock

What standards were lowered?  Also I said Minorities not black people.  Asking people from diverse backgrounds is lowering standards?  If he isnt talking about race, why is fox news playing on repeat the clip of them asking students from HBCU's to apply?  Where are you getting that someone who is hired or promoted through a DEI program hasn't met the requirements?  It's possible that a person could be hired or promoted through one of these programs and be OVERQUALIFIED also correct?  Are you going to come back on and apologize when this has nothing to do with DEI?  You cant really look yourself in the mirror with a straight face and say that when they spent the day saying DEI hires that they werent referencing minorities can you?  He literally said he was referencing minorities and women as possible suspects.  I know it’s hard to admit.

1. Still no video of Trump saying the person was a minority, woman, or gay? So are you admitting you lied?

2. It is a known fact that DEI programs hire to quotas which by statistical analysis means they are not only hiring on merit so the “average” hire is lower. On top of this many DEI programs absolutely lower standards to reach such quotas.  

3.  I know you work in public education so DEI programs aren’t much of a thing, but in the real world the rest of us that work for companies with these programs see and understand this.

4. Why would I need to apologize? I never said this was a DEI hire. So if it comes back that it wasn’t, I didn’t lie. I even said Trump was an idiot for bringing up DEI at all. Is reading that hard for you?

5. So did you lie that Trump said it was a minority/woman/gay person?

posted by jmog

1. Still no video of Trump saying the person was a minority, woman, or gay? So are you admitting you lied?

2. It is a known fact that DEI programs hire to quotas which by statistical analysis means they are not only hiring on merit so the “average” hire is lower. On top of this many DEI programs absolutely lower standards to reach such quotas.  

3.  I know you work in public education so DEI programs aren’t much of a thing, but in the real world the rest of us that work for companies with these programs see and understand this.

4. Why would I need to apologize? I never said this was a DEI hire. So if it comes back that it wasn’t, I didn’t lie. I even said Trump was an idiot for bringing up DEI at all. Is reading that hard for you?

5. So did you lie that Trump said it was a minority/woman/gay person?

DEI doesn't have anything to do with lowering standards. It's actually the exact opposite...It means making sure that everyone who DOES meet the standards gets an opportunity and ISN'T rejected simply because they might look and pray differently than someone else. Now, you may not care that you condemn DEI without knowing what it actually is.

posted by geeblock

DEI doesn't have anything to do with lowering standards. It's actually the exact opposite...It means making sure that everyone who DOES meet the standards gets an opportunity and ISN'T rejected simply because they might look and pray differently than someone else. Now, you may not care that you condemn DEI without knowing what it actually is.

Nothing you just said is true. Which isn’t surprising coming from you.

So are you just relenting the fact that you lied and Trump didn’t say what you said he did?

posted by jmog

Nothing you just said is true. Which isn’t surprising coming from you.

So are you just relenting the fact that you lied and Trump didn’t say what you said he did?

I never said it was a direct quote man.  I said that is who he was referring to.  I notice you keep saying this but also cant answer the question of who he was referring to if not those groups?  Are you saying that he never said that race or gender could have played a role?  is that not Minorities and Women?  cmon man you are trying too hard

posted by geeblock

DEI doesn't have anything to do with lowering standards. It's actually the exact opposite...It means making sure that everyone who DOES meet the standards gets an opportunity and ISN'T rejected simply because they might look and pray differently than someone else. Now, you may not care that you condemn DEI without knowing what it actually is.

You don’t know what DEI is. It absolutely lowers standards. Physical standards have been lowered. Acceptance to college programs lower standards where certain minorities can have worse grades and test scores. The FAA specifically removed an actual course and test model to go to a biographical questionnaire, all to diversify the workforce. You’re living in la la land if you think standards aren’t lower to reach their diversity goals. The goal is equal outcome, not equal opportunity. This has nothing to do with the crash, and you can believe the diversity efforts are worthwhile, but it is definitely happening. DEI isn’t just the Rooney Rule.

posted by geeblock

I never said it was a direct quote man.  I said that is who he was referring to.  I notice you keep saying this but also cant answer the question of who he was referring to if not those groups?  Are you saying that he never said that race or gender could have played a role?  is that not Minorities and Women?  cmon man you are trying too hard

Backtracking I see. You lied, got it. Good lord you are just a TDS constant flare up. 

posted by iclfan2

You don’t know what DEI is. It absolutely lowers standards. Physical standards have been lowered. Acceptance to college programs lower standards where certain minorities can have worse grades and test scores. The FAA specifically removed an actual course and test model to go to a biographical questionnaire, all to diversify the workforce. You’re living in la la land if you think standards aren’t lower to reach their diversity goals. The goal is equal outcome, not equal opportunity. This has nothing to do with the crash, and you can believe the diversity efforts are worthwhile, but it is definitely happening. DEI isn’t just the Rooney Rule.

100% fact.

And companies put financial penalties for not reaching goals.

Our bonus’s had a DEI portion that basically about $1500 of my bonus this year was based on if our company hired enough DEI candidates in management positions. They had an actual quota.

So you don’t just have to be a hiring manager but one level up from a hiring manager to even be able to affect this quota as it was about DEI in managers.

I hire no one, but since the company didn’t meet their quota I am out of $1500 due to something I had zero chance to even affect.

It’s laughable that someone doesn’t know that standards are lowered to meet these quotas.

And this said person teaches youth, which is even more sad.

posted by geeblock

Im sorry but with no evidence and no investigation, to come out and say that common sense tells you that it had to be a minority, a woman or a gay person is absolutely racist af

You are still trying to say that he said it was a minority/woman/gay?

Here’s where you said he said it…..hope that helps.

posted by jmog

You are still trying to say that he said it was a minority/woman/gay?.

posted by jmog

You are still trying to say that he said it was a minority/woman/gay?

Here’s where you said he said it…..hope that helps.

and 40 posts later you cant answer who he was referring to.  Got it.  And to be clear, you're not saying im wrong, you are just saying that he never said it in specific quotes.

posted by gut
And only one of those is racism.  But, I'm sure you're as un-surprised at that as I am.

one isnt enough?

posted by jmog

100% fact.

And companies put financial penalties for not reaching goals.

Our bonus’s had a DEI portion that basically about $1500 of my bonus this year was based on if our company hired enough DEI candidates in management positions. They had an actual quota.

So you don’t just have to be a hiring manager but one level up from a hiring manager to even be able to affect this quota as it was about DEI in managers.

I hire no one, but since the company didn’t meet their quota I am out of $1500 due to something I had zero chance to even affect.

It’s laughable that someone doesn’t know that standards are lowered to meet these quotas.

And this said person teaches youth, which is even more sad.

I dont see a standard lowered here.  listen im not saying what im saying in this thread to defend DEI, I'm perfectly fine to see it go and i get why people get angry about it.  But to pretend its also not used as a BOOGEYMAN term as it was yesterday would be simply ignoring the facts.  To try to pretend its not being oversimplified and applied to spaces that it shouldnt be is also ignoring the facts.  We all know yesterday no matter how you spin it, he wasn't talking about straight white males.  I can see examples of where DEI isnt great and we have discussed plenty.  But to defend someone who with no facts absolutely out of nowhere said it could be because of race (minority) or gender (woman), is stupid.

Most of us probably know more people hired and promoted because of who there family is or knows or how much money they have than they do someone who was hired or promoted through DEI.

Dei is certainly a flawed solution, but given that the alternative is to just wait another 50 years and hopefully most of the racists will die and the world will be less racist?  I get that you live in a world where you think racism doesnt exist unless its against straight white males and the bar is extremely high for you to admit anything else actually qualifies as racism based upon 10 years of reading your posts.  You actually need a person to be wearing a white sheet and being on camera with a sign and directly saying i hate n words lol.  Other than that you will do any backflip to ignore it.  still waiting for you to tell me what groups he was referencing yesterday if it wasnt the ones i mentioned.

and im not saying minorties cant make it and white people are racist, but what im saying is they have the most networks, and are in most of the positions of power.  They are most likely to hire and promote people they relate to and people they know or are reccommended to them by someone they know. That isnt racism but it certainly limits access for other qualified people. 

https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1885318888235176438

also apparently DEI isnt even a part of the hiring process for air traffic controlers.  So double fail

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-without-evidence-appears-blame-173700360.html

I saw some clips of the Tulsi interrogation. Those neocons really really wanted her to call Edward Snowden a traitor. In case anyone forgets what that was about he was the one who saw that our intelligence agencies broke the law by spying on citizens without a warrant. And then he moved to expose that. I'm not sure if I would be brazen or bold enough to do something like that. But it was done at any rate. 

The question is - is exposing government corruption a traitorous action? The neocons and establishment types believe that it is. Tulsi agrees that he broke some laws but it doesn't rise to the level of treason. And now the senators are mad because they couldn't harangue her into calling Snowden a traitor. She refused.

Like I've said before, I think she's capable. Ptown doesn't trust her because she's not an outright liar who will say initiate outrageous and damming hoaxes like James Clapper did. 

But I still won't hold my breath.

https://x.com/DecodingFoxNews/status/1885338284701651432

posted by geeblock

and 40 posts later you cant answer who he was referring to.  Got it.  And to be clear, you're not saying im wrong, you are just saying that he never said it in specific quotes.

Another 40 posts just admitting you can’t find a single quote saying Trump said it.

Just admit you lied, or at least that you just assume nearly everything said by Trump is racist, because its pathetic at this point   

posted by geeblock

I dont see a standard lowered here.  listen im not saying what im saying in this thread to defend DEI, I'm perfectly fine to see it go and i get why people get angry about it.  But to pretend its also not used as a BOOGEYMAN term as it was yesterday would be simply ignoring the facts.  To try to pretend its not being oversimplified and applied to spaces that it shouldnt be is also ignoring the facts.  We all know yesterday no matter how you spin it, he wasn't talking about straight white males.  I can see examples of where DEI isnt great and we have discussed plenty.  But to defend someone who with no facts absolutely out of nowhere said it could be because of race (minority) or gender (woman), is stupid.

Most of us probably know more people hired and promoted because of who there family is or knows or how much money they have than they do someone who was hired or promoted through DEI.

Dei is certainly a flawed solution, but given that the alternative is to just wait another 50 years and hopefully most of the racists will die and the world will be less racist?  I get that you live in a world where you think racism doesnt exist unless its against straight white males and the bar is extremely high for you to admit anything else actually qualifies as racism based upon 10 years of reading your posts.  You actually need a person to be wearing a white sheet and being on camera with a sign and directly saying i hate n words lol.  Other than that you will do any backflip to ignore it.  still waiting for you to tell me what groups he was referencing yesterday if it wasnt the ones i mentioned.

and im not saying minorties cant make it and white people are racist, but what im saying is they have the most networks, and are in most of the positions of power.  They are most likely to hire and promote people they relate to and people they know or are reccommended to them by someone they know. That isnt racism but it certainly limits access for other qualified people. 

https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1885318888235176438

also apparently DEI isnt even a part of the hiring process for air traffic controlers.  So double fail

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-without-evidence-appears-blame-173700360.html

I swear you can’t read.

All of us, including myself called Trump an idiot for bringing up DEI here yet you are still trying to say that we (me) are defending him for bringing it up?

Again did you not read, are you lying, or are you an idiot? That is the only 3 choices available when someone says “trumps an idiot for this…” and your response “stop defending him”!

All I said is that what you said was not true and to provide a link saying it was true. I was right, you then changed your stance to “well he meant that even if he didn’t say it”.

God you truly are a moron.

posted by CenterBHSFan

I saw some clips of the Tulsi interrogation. Those neocons really really wanted her to call Edward Snowden a traitor. In case anyone forgets what that was about he was the one who saw that our intelligence agencies broke the law by spying on citizens without a warrant. And then he moved to expose that. I'm not sure if I would be brazen or bold enough to do something like that. But it was done at any rate. 

The question is - is exposing government corruption a traitorous action? The neocons and establishment types believe that it is. Tulsi agrees that he broke some laws but it doesn't rise to the level of treason. And now the senators are mad because they couldn't harangue her into calling Snowden a traitor. She refused.

Like I've said before, I think she's capable. Ptown doesn't trust her because she's not an outright liar who will say initiate outrageous and damming hoaxes like James Clapper did. 

But I still won't hold my breath.

I don't think you understand what a neocon is. The bipartisan questions to Tulsi about Snowden was pretty bad.

Her job is to safeguard intelligence and make sure something similar does not happen again, as in allow a massive security leak and to expose secrets and methods. The fact she couldn't answer regarding Snowden is pretty bad.

Her answers on Russia and Syria were pretty bad too. The fact she was offended by a Republican Senator's question is bad too.

I understand your view, but it's a very naive and simple view of the intelligence community and foreign policy. 

posted by geeblock

I dont see a standard lowered here.  listen im not saying what im saying in this thread to defend DEI, I'm perfectly fine to see it go and i get why people get angry about it.  But to pretend its also not used as a BOOGEYMAN term as it was yesterday would be simply ignoring the facts.  To try to pretend its not being oversimplified and applied to spaces that it shouldnt be is also ignoring the facts.  We all know yesterday no matter how you spin it, he wasn't talking about straight white males.  I can see examples of where DEI isnt great and we have discussed plenty.  But to defend someone who with no facts absolutely out of nowhere said it could be because of race (minority) or gender (woman), is stupid.

Most of us probably know more people hired and promoted because of who there family is or knows or how much money they have than they do someone who was hired or promoted through DEI.

Dei is certainly a flawed solution, but given that the alternative is to just wait another 50 years and hopefully most of the racists will die and the world will be less racist?  I get that you live in a world where you think racism doesnt exist unless its against straight white males and the bar is extremely high for you to admit anything else actually qualifies as racism based upon 10 years of reading your posts.  You actually need a person to be wearing a white sheet and being on camera with a sign and directly saying i hate n words lol.  Other than that you will do any backflip to ignore it.  still waiting for you to tell me what groups he was referencing yesterday if it wasnt the ones i mentioned.

and im not saying minorties cant make it and white people are racist, but what im saying is they have the most networks, and are in most of the positions of power.  They are most likely to hire and promote people they relate to and people they know or are reccommended to them by someone they know. That isnt racism but it certainly limits access for other qualified people. 

https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1885318888235176438

also apparently DEI isnt even a part of the hiring process for air traffic controlers.  So double fail

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-without-evidence-appears-blame-173700360.html

Man, you still falling for the Trump says stuff and then arguing about it trap.

Let it go and don't engage lol

Happy tariff day tomorrow all! Looks like goods will continue to stay high. 

Biden inflation is now Trump inflation

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I don't think you understand what a neocon is. The bipartisan questions to Tulsi about Snowden was pretty bad.

Her job is to safeguard intelligence and make sure something similar does not happen again, as in allow a massive security leak and to expose secrets and methods. The fact she couldn't answer regarding Snowden is pretty bad.

Her answers on Russia and Syria were pretty bad too. The fact she was offended by a Republican Senator's question is bad too.

I understand your view, but it's a very naive and simple view of the intelligence community and foreign policy. 

Do you think it is treason to expose massive government corruption?

Do you ever get bored with thinking that everybody on this forum who doesn't think like you is naive? Remember, you thought I was naive because I said that kids shouldn't be going to pride parades. I'm starting to think that you believe if you toss that about that it will shut others up. Wrong.

Tulsi has already shown that she can keep her mouth shut. You need to make up your mind because in one breath you accuse her of not talking enough while in the next breath you pretend that you're worried that she will talk too much. 

Look if this is just ideological opposition to Trumpism, just say so. But you're not going to get away with trying to have it both ways. People will call you out on that shit. And since your go-to accusation is to call people naive, well that's just pathetic and I'm a little embarrassed for you for always falling back on that.

Fix your face.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Man, you still falling for the Trump says stuff and then arguing about it trap.

Let it go and don't engage lol

Geeblock is stuck in racism and can't get out of it. It's actually worse than that, because he doesn't want to get out of it. Racism is his lungs, his carotid arteries and spinal cord. I think we should all just accept that about him and avoid trying to use logic and reason.