2024 Presidential Election Thread

posted by CenterBHSFan

So the media is starting to push the idea that Trump doesn't have a mandate despite winning the EC, the popular vote, winning the House/Senate. 

He did not win a majority of the popular vote, where at least a 55% share would be considered a "mandate".  Only 52 or 53 seats in the Senate, and a razor-thin margin in the House.

In this case, the media is pretty close to the truth.  Trump DOES NOT have a broad, popular mandate.  It's Trump and his media that's bullshitting on this one.

posted by gut

He did not win a majority of the popular vote, where at least a 55% share would be considered a "mandate".  Only 52 or 53 seats in the Senate, and a razor-thin margin in the House.

In this case, the media is pretty close to the truth.  Trump DOES NOT have a broad, popular mandate.  It's Trump and his media that's bullshitting on this one.

That's interesting.

I think about Trump's ideas in much the same way I have of other presidents - which is to say that I disagree with some of his predeterminations and I hope he doesn't succeed in getting those done. 

On the other hand, if his cabinet gets to straightening some of our healthcare problems I'm not going to be mad about it. 

Im not happy with the idea of using military against either our citizens or illegal migrants. On the other hand, I can imagine scenarios where that might be necessary to stop harmful chaos.

I guess I'm still a bit on my heels trying to figure out Trump. I fully understand why people voted for him, but he's unpredictable. I think the best part about Trump are the explosions of memes.

All of this is to say that I think he has a mandate to some degree, regardless of the numbers. But that's limited and the people he is surrounding himself with, I hope, can keep him balanced and practical. It worries me that some people place him into a demi God like status. 

posted by gut

He did not win a majority of the popular vote, where at least a 55% share would be considered a "mandate".  Only 52 or 53 seats in the Senate, and a razor-thin margin in the House.

In this case, the media is pretty close to the truth.  Trump DOES NOT have a broad, popular mandate.  It's Trump and his media that's bullshitting on this one.

You guys went from "she might win all of the swing states AND Iowa" to this.

Bums.

California is still counting votes. What a clown show.

posted by iclfan2

California is still counting votes. What a clown show.

Just saw them off the continent

posted by gut

Only 52 or 53 seats in the Senate

Its 53.  Casey conceded.  There was a brag about defying the law concerning counting votes.  Opposite effect.  Anything not allowing a simple majority is going to need 4 of the majority to side with the minority.  4 of the minority won in close elections where Trump won the state.  Not sure how much the latter matters as they got 6yrs.  Its significant but how consequential it is remains to be seen.  

posted by Ironman92

Just saw them off the continent

From the coast to 75 miles inland ..........the rest of the state is still fairly conservative. 

posted by QuakerOats

From the coast to 75 miles inland ..........the rest of the state is still fairly conservative. 

Whichever part can’t get their votes counted

posted by CenterBHSFan

So the media is starting to push the idea that Trump doesn't have a mandate despite winning the EC, the popular vote, winning the House/Senate. 

To be fair the media are idiots

posted by gut

He did not win a majority of the popular vote, where at least a 55% share would be considered a "mandate".  Only 52 or 53 seats in the Senate, and a razor-thin margin in the House.

In this case, the media is pretty close to the truth.  Trump DOES NOT have a broad, popular mandate.  It's Trump and his media that's bullshitting on this one.

55% of the vote is what is now required for a “mandate?

Who is this supposed to convince?

Where is this magical grocery store?

posted by CenterBHSFan

Who is this supposed to convince?

Where is this magical grocery store?

Is this just the turkey or what?

The turkey can be pricey but the other stuff is quite affordable …but $58 ain’t feeding 10

posted by Ironman92

Is this just the turkey or what?

The turkey can be pricey but the other stuff is quite affordable …but $58 ain’t feeding 10

No, he's talking about the price of the whole dinner. For 10 people.

These people are SO out of touch lol

posted by CenterBHSFan

No, he's talking about the price of the whole dinner. For 10 people.

These people are SO out of touch lol

What's the menu? Bet I could do it. Local grocery store has frozen birds on sale for 49cents/lb and a 5 pound bag of potatoes for $1.99.

posted by bigorangebuck22

What's the menu? Bet I could do it. Local grocery store has frozen birds on sale for 49cents/lb and a 5 pound bag of potatoes for $1.99.

In my family there is always a lot more than 10 people but the usual kinds of food are there

We usually have 2 birds or a bird and ham (or some other meat), mashed potatoes and sweet potato casserole, a salad, meat/cheese/relish/fruit trays, rolls, gravy, usually two different hot veggies, cranberry sauce, homemade noodles, pumpkin bread and pie, a couple other pies and about two cakes. And I'm probably forgetting something, but you get the general idea.

posted by bigorangebuck22

What's the menu? Bet I could do it. Local grocery store has frozen birds on sale for 49cents/lb and a 5 pound bag of potatoes for $1.99.

With our Meijer perks we got a 16 lb turkey for a little over $6.

posted by jmog

55% of the vote is what is now required for a “mandate?

It's obviously something more than just winning the election, or we wouldn't talk about "mandates" only winning.

And it's certainly greater than 50% of the popular vote, which Trump didn't get....

I think this is interesting, in a way:

I wonder if those people were eligible to vote but just weren't registered or if they simply couldn't be bothered.

posted by gut

It's obviously something more than just winning the election, or we wouldn't talk about "mandates" only winning.

And it's certainly greater than 50% of the popular vote, which Trump didn't get....

Sure about that?

To be clear, I’m not questioning your 55% number, it’s just something I’ve never heard before.

Was more curious if there was some political research to back it up or if it was just a made up number?

I have never heard of the mandate thing but I hope this doesn’t signal the future of our politics. This will then give the other side the ammo to do it and I don’t think anyone wins in that situation. 

I also don’t see any benefit in inciting bad blood from our two closest neighbors. No way this can go well.