rock_knutne wrote:

LTrain23 wrote: Peyton wasn't drafted into a good situation like Big Ben was. Big Ben rode some terrific defenses to the Super Bowl titles. He did have a great drive to win his last one, but so did Eli Manning.

What ignorance! The Steelers made it to Super Bowl XL on Ben's arm and the Steelers win Super Bowl XLIII because of Ben's play.

You moronic haters need to take your orange and shit stained glasses off!

Shut the fuck up. I may be a Browns fan but I'm not blind to anything. I really like Ben as a QB, but to say he's better than Peyton is the IGNORANCE in this thread. YOU need to take your black and piss stained glasses off.

Big Ben won the first Super Bowl thanks to defense AND a solid running game. Wasn't his QB rating the WORST out of ANY SB winning QB? If it wasn't the worst, it was close to it..

His latest Super Bowl victory he made some solid plays including a great game winning drive, but again, the defense really helped out, especially right before half.

Peyton has NEVER played with a defense as good as some of the ones Big Ben has played with. The one year Peyton did have a good defense, he won it all...(even then, the defense wasn't GREAT)..

Get Big Bens imaginary cock out of your mouth and break down these QB's the way they should be broke down. Peyton is the best QB in the league.

If Ben is easily a top 5 qb in the league, why wasnt he at the pro bowl? The nfl thinks garrard and young are better then him.

LTrain23 wrote:Shut the fuck up. I may be a Browns fan but I'm not blind to anything. I really like Ben as a QB, but to say he's better than Peyton is the IGNORANCE in this thread. YOU need to take your black and piss stained glasses off.

Big Ben won the first Super Bowl thanks to defense AND a solid running game. Wasn't his QB rating the WORST out of ANY SB winning QB? If it wasn't the worst, it was close to it..

His latest Super Bowl victory he made some solid plays including a great game winning drive, but again, the defense really helped out, especially right before half.

Peyton has NEVER played with a defense as good as some of the ones Big Ben has played with. The one year Peyton did have a good defense, he won it all...(even then, the defense wasn't GREAT)..

Get Big Bens imaginary cock out of your mouth and break down these QB's the way they should be broke down. Peyton is the best QB in the league.

Shut the fuck up yourself! Quit with the defensive argument, if the defense won those Super Bowls as handily as you say, then why did it take the Steelers a trick play and a last minute drive to win them? You're nothing more than a worthless piece of Cleveland SHIT that can't see the facts! BTW, you are blind, which is probably a direct result of jacking off to naked picture of Eric Mangini. LMAO, a Cleveland fan chiming in on the Steelers and their Super Bowl winning QB, a subject which you jack offs know nothing about!

Pick6 wrote: If Ben is easily a top 5 qb in the league, why wasnt he at the pro bowl? The nfl thinks garrard and young are better then him.

I'm pretty sure he was offered before they were and he declined like many other players did.

For visual effect and to piss the haters off even more:

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heretic wrote: Schaub and Rivers need to get over their choke-artist reputation first before being top-five. Rivers can't win against good teams in the playoffs and Schaub implodes far too often against upper-tier teams (if every team on Houston's schedule got permission to wear Indy uniforms in the second half, the Texans would finish 0-16 every year because he'd fall apart).

Well, how do I even remotely attack the eternally stupid......As a Texans season ticket holder, I assure you Matt Schaub had nothing to do with the Texans losses. So you are incorrect there. How about four losses....Schaub puts the Texans in position to tie the game at the end and OTHER players mess it up....Kris Brown missed FGs against the Colts (but its Schaub's fault...) and the Titans that would have tied the game. Two other games Schaub got the ball down to the half yard line to be foiled by a fumble and a bad play call. Schaub is not the problem in Houston....


With that being said. Big Ben is better than Schaub, so only a idiot would put him above BR.

Manning won't be like big Ben till he starts acting hurt all the time and faking injuries. Or until he starts eating nonstop to look like Ben.

rock_knutne wrote: For visual effect and to piss the haters off even more:

ummm...there is a picture out there of Trent Dilfer doing the exact same thing.

trep14 wrote:

rock_knutne wrote: For visual effect and to piss the haters off even more:

ummm...there is a picture out there of Trent Dilfer doing the exact same thing.

But after only one Super Bowl win.

Is there any video of Trent orchestrating a game winning drive and throwing a TD pass late in the game to win the Super Bowl?

Walt wrote: Big Ben can get it done in the clutch.

And how about the Chargers. They got rid of Brees to keep Rivers. How's that working out for ya?

I hope people pay attention because Peyton Manning is a great Qb but when compared to the GOATimers like Tom Brady he simply is not as good.

Late in the 4th qtr Peyton Manning is not the choice to give the ball too when the game is on the line. Peyton is a hall of famer but he simply is not the best Qb in the NFL not even right now. There are other HOF Qbs out there that are simply better like Tom Brady.

killer_ewok wrote:Is there any video of Trent orchestrating a game winning drive and throwing a TD pass late in the game to win the Super Bowl?

Please ewok, don't bring facts in to this discussion. It's obvious that many can't deal with them.

killer_ewok wrote:

trep14 wrote:

rock_knutne wrote: For visual effect and to piss the haters off even more:

ummm...there is a picture out there of Trent Dilfer doing the exact same thing.

But after only one Super Bowl win.

Is there any video of Trent orchestrating a game winning drive and throwing a TD pass late in the game to win the Super Bowl?

No, but there is with Eli Manning. Trent Dilfer and even Sean King actually blew out a team in the super bowl, so he didnt have to.

Pick6 wrote:
No, but there is with Eli Manning. Trent Dilfer and even Sean King actually blew out a team in the super bowl, so he didnt have to.

Are you talking about Sean King from the Buccaneers? Brad Johnson was the QB for that Super Bowl.

Roethlisberger > than Manning? Yeah... right. Some of you guys must have been hitting the sauce pretty hard when you made that argument.

The whole notion that Browns fans (or anybody that isn't a Steeler fan) can't talk football because their team sucks, therefore they must not understand football either is just laughable. What makes it especially funny is that the jokers who say this crap are the ones saying that "Manning wouldn't fit into Pittsburgh's offense"

I think a lot of you are forgetting just how good Tom Brady has been, just because of the latest memory of him. He struggled this year and many ex-players have been vocal with idea that it takes two years to get back to form after a catsrophic knee injury.

Peyton does more with less, but Brady is not far behind. He won his Super Bowls w/out Moss or Welker.....

Brady has gone head to head with Manning and Ben in big games plenty of times and more often than not, well you know what happened......

To many posts for me to read but im just gonna say Ben will NEVER be as good as Manning. Sorry Steeler fans. This thread is truly the WOAT.

georgemc80 wrote:

heretic wrote: Schaub and Rivers need to get over their choke-artist reputation first before being top-five. Rivers can't win against good teams in the playoffs and Schaub implodes far too often against upper-tier teams (if every team on Houston's schedule got permission to wear Indy uniforms in the second half, the Texans would finish 0-16 every year because he'd fall apart).

Well, how do I even remotely attack the eternally stupid......As a Texans season ticket holder, I assure you Matt Schaub had nothing to do with the Texans losses. So you are incorrect there. How about four losses....Schaub puts the Texans in position to tie the game at the end and OTHER players mess it up....Kris Brown missed FGs against the Colts (but its Schaub's fault...) and the Titans that would have tied the game. Two other games Schaub got the ball down to the half yard line to be foiled by a fumble and a bad play call. Schaub is not the problem in Houston....


With that being said. Big Ben is better than Schaub, so only a idiot would put him above BR.
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Schaub is consistently in the league lead for passing yards and touchdowns. The whole super bowl ring argument is retarded. If you are looking at who is the BETTER overall qb then Schuab is ahead of turdburger. Just like the other guys I mentioned. Just because Big Ben has two rings doesn't make him a better QB and the only reason you use that as an argument is because it's really the only one you have and can't stand the fact that you are wrong.

YES, turdburger is a great QB, and he has two rings and he is one of the more clutch players...but as a qb, there are at least 5 better than him

DeyDurkie5 wrote:

georgemc80 wrote:

heretic wrote: Schaub and Rivers need to get over their choke-artist reputation first before being top-five. Rivers can't win against good teams in the playoffs and Schaub implodes far too often against upper-tier teams (if every team on Houston's schedule got permission to wear Indy uniforms in the second half, the Texans would finish 0-16 every year because he'd fall apart).

Well, how do I even remotely attack the eternally stupid......As a Texans season ticket holder, I assure you Matt Schaub had nothing to do with the Texans losses. So you are incorrect there. How about four losses....Schaub puts the Texans in position to tie the game at the end and OTHER players mess it up....Kris Brown missed FGs against the Colts (but its Schaub's fault...) and the Titans that would have tied the game. Two other games Schaub got the ball down to the half yard line to be foiled by a fumble and a bad play call. Schaub is not the problem in Houston....


With that being said. Big Ben is better than Schaub, so only a idiot would put him above BR.

Schaub is consistently in the league lead for passing yards and touchdowns. The whole super bowl ring argument is retarded. If you are looking at who is the BETTER overall qb then Schuab is ahead of turdburger. Just like the other guys I mentioned. Just because Big Ben has two rings doesn't make him a better QB and the only reason you use that as an argument is because it's really the only one you have and can't stand the fact that you are wrong.

YES, turdburger is a great QB, and he has two rings and he is one of the more clutch players...but as a qb, there are at least 5 better than him

Sorry I have to make a post to just prove you are talking out of your ass.

Schaub had an amazing season last year....and that was it. 4770 yards, 29 TDs....his best season of his career.

08-09 3043 yards, 19 TDs
07-08 2242 yards, 9 TDs
06-07 208 yards, 1 TD

To say Schaub is better than Roethlisberger is laughable. Hes a good QB and on the rise, but better? No way. Typical Cleveland logic :rolleyes:

Automatik wrote:

DeyDurkie5 wrote:

georgemc80 wrote:

heretic wrote: Schaub and Rivers need to get over their choke-artist reputation first before being top-five. Rivers can't win against good teams in the playoffs and Schaub implodes far too often against upper-tier teams (if every team on Houston's schedule got permission to wear Indy uniforms in the second half, the Texans would finish 0-16 every year because he'd fall apart).

Well, how do I even remotely attack the eternally stupid......As a Texans season ticket holder, I assure you Matt Schaub had nothing to do with the Texans losses. So you are incorrect there. How about four losses....Schaub puts the Texans in position to tie the game at the end and OTHER players mess it up....Kris Brown missed FGs against the Colts (but its Schaub's fault...) and the Titans that would have tied the game. Two other games Schaub got the ball down to the half yard line to be foiled by a fumble and a bad play call. Schaub is not the problem in Houston....


With that being said. Big Ben is better than Schaub, so only a idiot would put him above BR.

Schaub is consistently in the league lead for passing yards and touchdowns. The whole super bowl ring argument is retarded. If you are looking at who is the BETTER overall qb then Schuab is ahead of turdburger. Just like the other guys I mentioned. Just because Big Ben has two rings doesn't make him a better QB and the only reason you use that as an argument is because it's really the only one you have and can't stand the fact that you are wrong.

YES, turdburger is a great QB, and he has two rings and he is one of the more clutch players...but as a qb, there are at least 5 better than him

Sorry I have to make a post to just prove you are talking out of your ass.

Schaub had an amazing season last year....and that was it. 4770 yards, 29 TDs....his best season of his career.

08-09 3043 yards, 19 TDs
07-08 2242 yards, 9 TDs
06-07 208 yards, 1 TD

To say Schaub is better than Roethlisberger is laughable. Hes a good QB and on the rise, but better? No way. Typical Cleveland logic :rolleyes:

Well, okay damnit i thought he did better the previous couple of years lol...What I'm trying to say is that as good as turdburger is, Schuab is the better technical QB and will be a better one than BR in the longrun..For now, I'll give BR the slight edge but not for long!

What is a "technical QB"?

Automatik wrote: What is a "technical QB"?

I'm guessing he mean's that Schaub is a better quarterback. Meaning he can throw it better, makes better reads, etc.....However Ben benefits from being on a much more talented team and therefore is more successful. Basically if you switched Schaub and Big Ben at the start of their careers, the Steelers still have (at least) 2 Super Bowls and the Texans aren't any better than they are now (possibly worse).

Shaub is consistently in the league lead for passing yards and touchdowns? Because one year is consistency?

Shaub had a better statistical season than Roethlisberger in 08, but BR won a Super Bowl. BR had better stats in 07 and here's a few things about this season:

Roethlisberger = more yards per pass, more TDs per pass, less INTs per pass, better TD-Int ratio, higher pass efficiency rating

Well, okay, that was covered. I should refresh the page before posting.

WOW I can not believe how ignorant you Steeler fans are. You really think that because someone is a Browns fan they can't be critical of any player in the league? I'm pretty sure you fucks are the only ones stupid enough to think Ben is better then Peyton.

I have a question for those who see the Steelers in the Superbowl next year......What makes you think this? Is it hope? Is it being a homer? They are on the decline folks!

I guess the superbowl question should of been in the other thread but both threads are full of ridiculous statements

Who said Ben was better than Peyton?

I discredit the majority of Browns fans because they get their jollies off of ragging on Pittsburgh. Its like clockwork.

Pittsburgh could very well make a deep run in the playoffs next year. Their defense was the main cause for their average season last year. Do you honestly think they will repeat that season performance next year? Smith and Polamalu will both be back. With a nice draft and barring any injuries I definitely think Pittsburgh has a shot. They have the pieces in place to win another Super Bowl.....hell I'm sure even some Cleveland fans can recognize that.

Also, how is Pittsburgh on the decline? I'd love to hear this.