Non
Posts: 9,517
Feb 7, 2010 11:30pm
No you can't get look at it that way. Let's say Ben wins even one more Super Bowl for three and he retires after 10 seasons because of all the hits.
Still a great career and the Steelers and their fans got what they wanted.
It's not pocket passer back. It's quarterback. How they go about it doesn't matter. Doesn't have to be a perceived best way to play the position. Ben uses the skills that make him great, while improving the others.
Still a great career and the Steelers and their fans got what they wanted.
It's not pocket passer back. It's quarterback. How they go about it doesn't matter. Doesn't have to be a perceived best way to play the position. Ben uses the skills that make him great, while improving the others.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Feb 7, 2010 11:31pm
Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, BreesAl Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Feb 7, 2010 11:34pm
For the last SB win I definitely give Rothelisberger credit, but he definitely had a better team surrounding him.Walt wrote:I'm just joking around. I like Manning and I think he's one of the all time greats, but you have to give Roethlisberger credit for playing well in clutch situations.HighRoller74 wrote: So you guys really think Ben Roethlisberger is really a better QB overall than Peyton Manning?
Or are you just basing that off the playoffs?
Manning fails? He has a SB ring. So he is 1-1 now, so what? He's only 33, he still has a few years left in him.Al Capone wrote:Its all about championship performances. Manning fails.karen lotz wrote:sounds about rightAl Capone wrote: I must be a retard
Ok, so they both have a ring a piece, what's your point?Al Capone wrote: Peyton has as many rings as his little brother. That's all you need to know about Peyton.
Manning and Big Ben are both very good QB's, but let's be honest, Big Ben has played on the overall better teams. Plus, Manning's WR's played horrible tonight. Reggie Wayne dropped a ball that was in his hands and a possible TD at the end of the game. Of course that would have put the Colts at a TD deficit still, but gives them a chance to recover the onside and possibly drive.
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rock_knutne
Feb 7, 2010 11:35pm
I agree with you but Ben has improved has skills in the pocket which IMO will only help him prolong his career and that's not a bad thing.Non wrote: No you can't get look at it that way. Let's say Ben wins even one more Super Bowl for three and he retires after 10 seasons because of all the hits.
Still a great career and the Steelers and their fans got what they wanted.
It's not pocket passer back. It's quarterback. How they go about it doesn't matter. Doesn't have to be a perceived best way to play the position. Ben uses the skills that make him great, while improving the others.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Feb 7, 2010 11:35pm
There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.DeyDurkie5 wrote:Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, BreesAl Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Feb 7, 2010 11:36pm
Well no shit, you love big bens hairy tiny weinerAl Capone wrote:There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.DeyDurkie5 wrote:Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, BreesAl Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Feb 7, 2010 11:37pm
Matt Schaub above Big Ben? Really? I'm not a Steelers/Big Ben fan at all and I like Schaub, but there's no chance anyone can put him over Big Ben. I also agree that Ben is a top 5 QB. He just has "it", whatever that is. He's not going to win it every year and he does make some mistakes, but he's been great in the clutch, which puts him over the top when comparing him to most QBs.
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rock_knutne
Feb 7, 2010 11:37pm
Yeah, average QB's make a lot of big plays which aren't smart. Come on.Pick6 wrote:I agree thats his biggest flaw. Which is why I call him average because he hardly ever makes the smart play.
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rock_knutne
Feb 7, 2010 11:39pm
DeyDurkie5 wrote:Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, BreesAl Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Pay no attention to this fool, he's as dense as they come!DeyDurkie5 wrote:Well no shit, you love big bens hairy tiny weinerAl Capone wrote:There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.DeyDurkie5 wrote:Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, BreesAl Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Feb 7, 2010 11:39pm
So much for a sane conversationDeyDurkie5 wrote:Well no shit, you love big bens hairy tiny weinerAl Capone wrote:There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.DeyDurkie5 wrote:Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, BreesAl Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Feb 7, 2010 11:40pm
Dude, it's impossible to have a sane conversation with you because if it isn't a steeler you don't think it's right.Al Capone wrote:So much for a sane conversationDeyDurkie5 wrote:Well no shit, you love big bens hairy tiny weinerAl Capone wrote:There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.DeyDurkie5 wrote:Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, BreesAl Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Non
Posts: 9,517
Feb 7, 2010 11:41pm
It's tough to rank the QBs right now.
Like 10 guys that could easily be top five.
I'd say in the AFC there are five legit Pro Bowl caliber QBs fighting for three spots.
Manning
Brady
Roethlisberger
Schaub
Rivers
Those are the five best and all good, legit franchise QBs. I'd put Manning No. 1 but he is a little on the old side at 33 (34 in March). Ben turns 28 in March and is clearly in his prime, playing at the highest level of his career. Schaub and Rivers are the same way.
Like 10 guys that could easily be top five.
I'd say in the AFC there are five legit Pro Bowl caliber QBs fighting for three spots.
Manning
Brady
Roethlisberger
Schaub
Rivers
Those are the five best and all good, legit franchise QBs. I'd put Manning No. 1 but he is a little on the old side at 33 (34 in March). Ben turns 28 in March and is clearly in his prime, playing at the highest level of his career. Schaub and Rivers are the same way.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Feb 7, 2010 11:42pm
Must be tough being a Browns fan isn't it durkie?
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Feb 7, 2010 11:43pm
That has nothing to do with anything in this thread? You are proving my point for meAl Capone wrote: Must be tough being a Browns fan isn't it durkie?
Non
Posts: 9,517
Feb 7, 2010 11:44pm
Manning won his first Super Bowl at age 30, where as Ben has two rings at 27. Could he win another from 28-31? He's much better now than he was in 2005 and 2008 when the Steelers won.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Feb 7, 2010 11:46pm
Are you upset because there are no Brown qbs being talked about? Maybe if there is a top 40 list one of them would make it.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Feb 7, 2010 11:50pm
yes, i'm deeply upsetAl Capone wrote: Are you upset because there are no Brown qbs being talked about? Maybe if there is a top 40 list one of them would make it.
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rock_knutne
Feb 7, 2010 11:51pm
Hypocrit.........you did the same exact thing to me (bringing up teams/topics that have nothing to do with the discussion) but spin it when it suits your cause! Maybe Capone is right, it must REALLY be tough being a Browns fan.DeyDurkie5 wrote:That has nothing to do with anything in this thread? You are proving my point for me
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Feb 7, 2010 11:53pm
what in the world are you talking about?rock_knutne wrote:Hypocrit.........you did the same exact thing to me (bringing up teams/topics that have nothing to do with the discussion) but spin it when it suits your cause! Maybe Capone is right, it must REALLY be tough being a Browns fan.DeyDurkie5 wrote:That has nothing to do with anything in this thread? You are proving my point for me
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Feb 7, 2010 11:55pm
Let me get this straight...you all are comparing two of probably the best five or six quarterbacks in the league, and trying to decide who is #1 and who is #2 based on one postseason game???
Really???
(yawn).
Really???
(yawn).
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Feb 7, 2010 11:59pm
I try to remain level-headed. I know that Peyton is better overall but I am very happy with the two 'chips. Ben played liked crap in Super Bowl XL but he was a huge reason why they made it there in the first place. They don't win the 2nd Super Bowl without him.
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rock_knutne
Feb 8, 2010 12:02am
DeyDurkie5 wrote:what in the world are you talking about?rock_knutne wrote:Hypocrit.........you did the same exact thing to me (bringing up teams/topics that have nothing to do with the discussion) but spin it when it suits your cause! Maybe Capone is right, it must REALLY be tough being a Browns fan.DeyDurkie5 wrote:That has nothing to do with anything in this thread? You are proving my point for me
Don't act innocent:
Remember that comment? On a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with ND, the Pens or the Steelers.DeyDurkie5 wrote:Rock, the steelers sucked this year...Notre Dame sucked, like they have the past 15 years. Just let it go dude, both your teams suck and the Penguins are mediocre.
You can't have it both ways pal.
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trep14
Posts: 842
Feb 8, 2010 12:04am
LOL your justification for taking Big Ben over Peyton is that Big Ben is a winner, but then say that you would take Big Ben over Tom Brady, who has won more than Ben? Are you a member of Big Ben's family or something?Al Capone wrote:There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.DeyDurkie5 wrote:Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, BreesAl Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Feb 8, 2010 12:05am
lol what thread was that?rock_knutne wrote:DeyDurkie5 wrote:what in the world are you talking about?rock_knutne wrote:Hypocrit.........you did the same exact thing to me (bringing up teams/topics that have nothing to do with the discussion) but spin it when it suits your cause! Maybe Capone is right, it must REALLY be tough being a Browns fan.DeyDurkie5 wrote:That has nothing to do with anything in this thread? You are proving my point for me
Don't act innocent:
Remember that comment? On a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with ND, the Pens or the Steelers.DeyDurkie5 wrote:Rock, the steelers sucked this year...Notre Dame sucked, like they have the past 15 years. Just let it go dude, both your teams suck and the Penguins are mediocre.
You can't have it both ways pal.
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rock_knutne
Feb 8, 2010 12:06am
^^^^^Where you intoxicated at the time? Must have been as you admitted to me earlier today that you were hung over.