And for those who think OSU doesn't have anyone better than Jon Dielber, please watch the youtube video below:



Better handles, reboundin ability, defense, leadership and possibly hustle.

thedynasty1998 wrote: And for those who think OSU doesn't have anyone better than Jon Dielber, please watch the youtube video below:



Better handles, reboundin ability, defense, leadership and possibly hustle.

I can't watch it here at work....is the video of Sammy Prahalis??

It's a must see as soon as you get home!

wkfan wrote:

Nashley25 wrote: Diebler played at a D2 school were he won a state title.

Ok....D2. The point is the same.

BTW....how his TEAM did is irrelevant to this discussion. All that means is that he played as a part of the best 5 players.

Besides.....his team finished as runner up for the state title.

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1293038

Upper Sandusky won a state title his sophomore season. His brother was a senior on the team that went 27-0.

That rainmaker video is hilarious.

wkfan wrote:

Nashley25 wrote: Diebler played at a D2 school were he won a state title.

Ok....D2. The point is the same.

BTW....how his TEAM did is irrelevant to this discussion. All that means is that he played as a part of the best 5 players.

Besides.....his team finished as runner up for the state title.

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1293038

No, the point is NOT the same. The "D 4" was thrown in there to somehow disparage the quality of competition he faced and it (that argument) was an abject FAILURE.

His team WON a state title his sophomore year (beating Dayton Dunbar) and finished as a runner up when he was a senior.

If you're going to try and make a point, at least admit you failed to do so when it's obvious to the rest of us.

My thoughts on Diebler is that he is a better basketball player than 99.9% of the people who have posted in this thread.

Can y'all believe Evan once came off bench in favor of Dieber?!?!? Back during the first half of their freshman year.

Mulva wrote:

Big Gain wrote:
You are uninformed.

In the Purdue game Turner, Lighty and Buford had 6, 4, and 3 Turnovers respectively. DIEBLER had ONE. Lighty led the team with 3 Steals DIEBLER had TWO. Turner led the team with 3 Assists. DIEBLER had TWO. DIEBLER had SIX rebounds. Lighty had ZERO rebounds and Lauderdale had 2 Rebounds. Lighty made 22% of his shots, DIEBLER made 50% of his shots.

Why are you so defensive? Are you related to him or something?

He has less turnovers because he never puts the ball on the floor. How often do all of them penetrate compared to Diebler? I think most people would agree that one of Lighty's weakest points is his ball handling ability when driving in traffic. He gets out of control a lot.

He had 6 rebounds because Purdue jacked 27 3-pointers and there were a lot of long rebounds. He is averaging 3 on the season. For a 6-6 player averaging over 35 minutes a game that is incredibly weak.

And 2 assists? LOL. Really? You realize that just because nobody had more doesn't mean 2 is a good number. That's just as dumb as the "Diebler must be good because he starts above JuCo guys!" argument.

And to address an earlier post you made: nobody gets on Lighty for a poor offensive performance because that isn't his role. He is supposed to be the defensive stopper, and guess what? He held Hummel to 6 points (including 0-3 on 3-pt shooting) once they went man to man in the 2nd half. Diebler's ONLY role is to score.

Plus, a lot of the numbers for Diebler you pointed out are skewed. My favorite:

Diebler, a guard, averages 3 rebounds/game. Lauderdale the starting Center averages 5 rebounds/game!

Diebler plays 11 more minutes per game. In terms of rebounds per minute Lauderdale is at one every 4.8 minutes (still not good for a center, but a lot of that is because he is frequently the one contesting outside shots in the corner in the zone), and Diebler is at one every 11.67 minutes.

If you average that many more minutes than anyone else you SHOULD be able to accumulate more stats. The only legitimate stats you posted are 3 pt % and ft %. Like I said in my original post, his role is to be a shooter. When he makes shots (like I posted) he fits well with this team. When his shot isn't on (also like I said) he is incredibly frustrating to watch and pretty much worthless on the court.

So how was I uninformed?

I'm Defensive???? I present FACTS. I'm not related to anyone on the team. I don't hate anyone on the team. I don't put down anyone on the team. You on the other hand blather nothingness based on hate alone AND is VERY VERY defensive when presented with FACTS..

ZONE??? More misinformation from your uninformed mouth. Ohio State has played man 90% of the time this year.

The uninformed like you should at least make an effort to look at Box Scores before blathering based on hate.

If DIEBLER'S "only role" is to score, then explain the following.

VS Purdue, Lighty made 22% of his shots, 1 of 4 3-pointers. DIEBLER made 50% of his shots, is that bad??? If Lighty's role is defensive stopper why in the hell is he shooting and missing so many shots???

Rebounds, Lighty had ZERO, Laudedale had 2!! DIEBLER had SIX. That's not contributing???

Assists, Turner led with 3, DIEBLER had TWO!! That's not contributing???

Steals, Lighty led with 3, DIEBLER had 2. That's not contributing???

Turnovers. Turner 6, Lighty 4, Buford 3, DIEBLER ONLY ONE. DIEBLER valued the ball more than anyone on the team. SO.....you WANT DIEBLER to penetrate MORE so he makes MORE turnovers. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

You can't have it both ways. You put down DIEBLER for having 6 rebounds, because Purdue was jacking up 3's and DIEBLER was blocking out on the perimeter, the reason he had 6 rebounds. Then out of the other side of your mouth you put down DIEBLER, a guard, for only averaging 3 rebounds per game because he's blocking out another guard on the perimeter. The KEY point is how many rebounds does the player that Diebler is defending get.

FYI, after your team takes a shot someone is assigned to stay back and make sure no one on the other team leaks out for an easy fast break bucket. That usually, most of the time, is the team's PG. Since Turner, OSU's PG, is crashing the boards and leading the team in rebounding who do you supposed is assigned NOT to go after rebounds, but stay back and make sure no one from the other team streaks for a fast break basket?

Big............learn to post quoting one reply maybe? each of your posts now are taking up a half page each!! Are you really Keith Deibler in real life?

Prescott wrote:

Why no WHINING about Lighty?

Maybe, because Lighty was given the 2nd half task of slowing down Robbie Hummel. He id that. While he was pathetic on the offensive side of the court, he excelled on the defensive side.

Diebler has gotten better every year, but he has a limited ceiling because he is not an elite athlete.He can shoot when he is open, but he has trouble getting open against teams who can afford to play him straight up without helping on others.That attention opens lanes for other players,like Turner and Buford.

I would like to see more players in the rotation, because I think that would pay dividends down the line.

Hummel's dislocated finger on his shooting hand in the 2nd half had WAY more to do with being "slowed down", than Lighty's defense.

thedynasty1998 wrote: Would the majority agree that his role on this team is that of a scorer? He's not a role player in the mold of PJ Hill. He's not a defender or a setup man.

When Diebler's defender is face guarding and not helping off, it opens more of the middle for Turner and Lighty to penetrate to the basket.

Big Gain wrote: Hummel's dislocated finger on his shooting hand in the 2nd half had WAY more to do with being "slowed down", than Lighty's defense.

Pretty sure the dislocated finger was on his non shooting hand...

thedynasty1998 wrote: Diebler is the worst defender on the team. That's a fact. As bad as Buford might be at times, he's still better than Diebler.

Someone previously had a great post explaining his other stats. The guy plays 40 minutes a game, he's bound to get a couple assists when giving the ball to Turner and getting a couple rebounds. He doesn't turn the ball over because he doesn't do anything with the ball.

It will be interesting to see where Diebler fits in next year. You have some MEN coming in in Weatherspoon, Sullinger and Thomas. And I say MEN, because they play like it.

Here are the sure things next year:

Sullinger and Thomas play as many minutes as they can.
Lighty plays a majority of the minutes.

So you have two spots remaining, one of which is a PG and the other position goes to the best player. You will have PJ Hill and Craft at the PG position.

Then you have Diebler, Lauderdale, Weatherspoon, Sibert, Smith and Buford fighting for the remaining minutes.

That's going to be quite the daily battle in practice!

"Diebler is the worst defender on the team. That's a fact." LOLOLOL
Says the ignorant "fan" who doesn't even know the FACT that PJ Hill is a senior and therefore won't be competing for many minutes next year.

Who gives a shat who starts or who plays how many minutes next year? Only the know nothing wannabee teenagers, that's who. TEAM FIRST individuals only care that the GOOD thing, the BEST thing about OSU next year is they will have more depth. There are only TWO new "MEN" next year, Thomas and Sullinger. Weatherspoon, Sibert and Smith will be green, inexperienced, wide eyed Freshmen for at least the 1st half of the season. I'm hoping by the end of the season Sibert and Smith can contribute without having a constricted throat. The VERY FIRST player who would be the LEAST concerned about starting and minutes is JON DIEBLER, the quintessential TEAM FIRST player. The only player who would get SIGNIFICANTLY more minutes than Diebler next year would be Evan Turner IF he comes back for his Senior year.

You're another of the goofy haters who WANTS Diebler to penetrate MORE often so he would have MORE turnovers. Yep, that's REAL intelligent.

Weatherspoon is a "MAN"?? Weatherspoon is a 3 Star, a 6-6 190(very smallish) 32nd ranked POWER FORWARD??, in his class. He was the best available, last minute fill in, when Payne committed to MSU. He can dunk, but can't shoot with consistency beyond 8 feet. The best thing for HIM would be to redshirt.

karen lotz wrote:

Big Gain wrote: Hummel's dislocated finger on his shooting hand in the 2nd half had WAY more to do with being "slowed down", than Lighty's defense.

Pretty sure the dislocated finger was on his non shooting hand...

Is he left handed? The thought the dislocated finger was on his right hand.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=300122509

Ohio State responded with a 10-0 run, all on points by Turner, to tie the game. Hummel left the game late with a dislocated pinky finger, but he returned minutes later with two fingers on his left hand taped together with 2:04 left.

He is right handed.

Game over last night!!! Doesnt matter...............OSU won..........Deal with it!!

j_crazy wrote: He was waaaaay overated out of HS. I expected his performance to be about where it is. People fell in love with his stats in HS but the 1 game I saw him play he shot 32 shots and had 34 points. Not impressed.

You're basing your extreeeeeemely "overrated" opinion on the ONE game you saw, out of a 100 game high school career??? Such an embarrassing statement for you!!

september63 wrote: Big............learn to post quoting one reply maybe? each of your posts now are taking up a half page each!! Are you really Keith Deibler in real life?

A clueless whiner.

I'm catching up, it's been 24 hours.

Shorter, is that what you're looking for?

Wow Big Gain just jumped up the board on the most idiotic posters really fast.

BTW, it wasn't Hummel's shooting hand, and he missed what, 2 minutes of the game?

Why? Because he pointed out to you that PJ Hill is a senior?

Just because he spends most of his posts correcting "fans" flawed reasoning doesn't quite qualify him as idiotic.

thedynasty1998 wrote: Wow Big Gain just jumped up the board on the most idiotic posters really fast.

BTW, it wasn't Hummel's shooting hand, and he missed what, 2 minutes of the game?

I takes a lot of nerve to say some one jumps to most "idiotic", when that person is so stupid he doesn't even know PJ Hill is a Senior.

karen lotz wrote: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=300122509

Ohio State responded with a 10-0 run, all on points by Turner, to tie the game. Hummel left the game late with a dislocated pinky finger, but he returned minutes later with two fingers on his left hand taped together with 2:04 left.

He is right handed.

I stand corrected, thank you.

Big Gain wrote:I'm Defensive???? I present FACTS. I'm not related to anyone on the team. I don't hate anyone on the team. I don't put down anyone on the team. You on the other hand blather nothingness based on hate alone AND is VERY VERY defensive when presented with FACTS..

ZONE??? More misinformation from your uninformed mouth. Ohio State has played man 90% of the time this year.

And that's where I stopped reading. Because Ohio State played zone the entire 1st half, when Hummel went 8-10 on 3s and scored 29 points.

You apparently didn't even watch the game, and have no idea what you're talking about.

And yes, you are incredibly defensive.

Mulva wrote:

Big Gain wrote:I'm Defensive???? I present FACTS. I'm not related to anyone on the team. I don't hate anyone on the team. I don't put down anyone on the team. You on the other hand blather nothingness based on hate alone AND is VERY VERY defensive when presented with FACTS..

ZONE??? More misinformation from your uninformed mouth. Ohio State has played man 90% of the time this year.

And that's where I stopped reading. Because Ohio State played zone the entire 1st half, when Hummel went 8-10 on 3s and scored 29 points.

You apparently didn't even watch the game, and have no idea what you're talking about.

And yes, you are incredibly defensive.

You should have read a little further. Therefore, you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. I said OSU has played man defense 90% of the time THIS YEAR.

You have watched more than the Purdue game haven't you?