The exec order is out of obama's playbook.

obviously obama planned all along for the eventual and complete takeover by a marxist central government.

Spock;1877087 wrote:?????? What are you talking about? Obama didnt want anything to do with open and free markets.

I think he means using executive orders to bypass congress...and effectively the constitution. Which I thought constitutional minded conservatives hated? Wasn't that a big driving factor of the tea party? Wasn't Obama a dictator? Why is this ok? Where's the outrage?

For the record my opinion is Obama executive orders bad. Trump E.O's bad. So because congress is ineffective or doesn't give the Pres what he wants we can just circumvent them? Not ok...right???

No, I am amused by the irony.


Obviously the few idiots in the senate who have tanked the major policy initiatives this year are the problem. So, we either wait another cycle or two until they are shown the door, or we do what is allowed by law to alleviate the suffering of The (300 million) People who have been economically raped by obamaKare.

QuakerOats;1877107 wrote:Obviously the few idiots in the senate who have tanked the major policy initiatives this year are the problem. So, we either wait another cycle or two until they are shown the door, or we do what is allowed by law to alleviate the suffering of The (300 million) People who have been economically raped by obamaKare.

The problem with that theory is this: if the lefty politicians are still playing the identity politics card (and I've seen no easing up on this other than Nancy Pelosi not jiving with antifa) you can almost guarantee that those righty politicians that you are referring to will not be voted out.
So then what?

So go around congress and continue down the path of granting an inordinate amount of power to the Executive...just like the founders intended! A real win for the constitution! You may like the reason it's being done but that doesn't make doing it ok. This isn't an anti-Trump thing he's just the latest in a long line down this path. What I find odd is the average Trump is super "pro-constitution" whatever that means but this is very anti-constitution. I just wish we could all admit we want our team to win, we're a bunch of political homers and the rule breaking we cry about when our team is losing is fine when they're winning. All the grand standing and hypocrisy is exhausting.

rocketalum;1877163 wrote:So go around congress and continue down the path of granting an inordinate amount of power to the Executive...

I'm a pretty big believer that 60 votes in the Senate would GENERALLY ensure more than a simple majority and bipartisan support....it is [was] our only line of defense against endless strings of bad legislation.

A "do nothing" Congress is generally more effective [i.e. less damaging] than a Congress ramming partisan legislation thru.

Amen

rocketalum;1877163 wrote:So go around congress and continue down the path of granting an inordinate amount of power to the Executive...just like the founders intended! A real win for the constitution! You may like the reason it's being done but that doesn't make doing it ok. This isn't an anti-Trump thing he's just the latest in a long line down this path. What I find odd is the average Trump is super "pro-constitution" whatever that means but this is very anti-constitution. I just wish we could all admit we want our team to win, we're a bunch of political homers and the rule breaking we cry about when our team is losing is fine when they're winning. All the grand standing and hypocrisy is exhausting.

I agree. Although I don't remember reading these thoughts from you during the Obama regime.

Well, for better or worse...Trump now owns healthcare. No doubt the democrat party is breathing a sign of relief.

"NAM Vice President of Infrastructure, Innovation and Human Resources Policy Robyn Boerstling writes that on Thursday &#8220resident Trump signed an Executive Order (EO) which expands Association Health Plans (AHPs) and possibly creates a pathway for the sale of health insurance across state lines through the AHPs.” Boerstling states that “for over a decade, the NAM has supported efforts to increase small businesses’ health insurance options through AHPs,” and “NAM has urged elected officials to usher in this important reform.” She adds that “manufacturers are in a dynamic health care environment that continues to evolve, yet costs continue to rise for many,” and “ongoing health care cost increases stand in the way of increasing wages, hiring new employees, purchasing new equipment and making other needed investments that keep manufacturing production competitive.” Boerstling concludes that “today’s EO is a positive step,” and is “a new tool as our members continue to seek more affordable health care options.”




Definitely a positive step. At least one elected official is not afraid to do his job.

fish82;1877209 wrote:Well, for better or worse...Trump now owns healthcare. No doubt the democrat party is breathing a sign of relief.

not even close.

Spock;1877223 wrote:not even close.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-administration-end-obamacare-subsidies-known-cost-sharing-034004960--abc-news-topstories.html

He might now. Right or wrong, he is definitely shaking things up.

When the options are watching obamaKare destroy The People economically along with the greatest health care delivery system the world has ever known, or doing something else, it is pretty clear that 'shaking things up' is the start of going in a much better direction.

Once again, the INSURERS themselves are not responsible for the cost of healthcare in the US. Typical bill of bullshit sold to you by the Democrats, so they could claim to fix (ahem...cough cough) something that wasn't a problem

Spock;1877223 wrote:not even close.

completely agree

Here in Ohio the Republican representatives are considering doing away with Medicaid. President Trump is doing away with the subsidies that aided the poor for Obamacare. What happens now will have to be owned by the Right. I agree Obamacare is a disaster. I'm just not sure that what President Trump is doing won't make matters worst.

ppaw1999;1877258 wrote: I agree Obamacare is a disaster. I'm just not sure that what President Trump is doing won't make matters worst.

This really is kind of a contradiction. The problem is Obamacare accomplished very little, aside from hand out premiums to millions of poor people - but they still couldn't afford the copays and deductibles to actually use that insurance.

So I'm not sure how Trump can actually make things worse. There is absolutely nothing to prevent YOUR state from addressing healthcare in whatever way it thinks best for its people. THAT is an issue to take up with your state govt, not the feds.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/12/rand-paul-says-trumps-obamacare-order-has-the-potential-to-be-amazing/


Rand Paul on board ....

gut;1877251 wrote:Once again, the INSURERS themselves are not responsible for the cost of healthcare in the US. Typical bill of bullshit sold to you by the Democrats, so they could claim to fix (ahem...cough cough) something that wasn't a problem

Ding, ding, ding we have a winner!

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/pro-trump-states-affected-health-care-decision-50479492

Buyer's remorse?

Spock;1877223 wrote:not even close.

After insurance rates rise significantly for many drumpf supporters, how will they continue to blame Obama?

Spock;1877223 wrote:not even close.

After insurance rates rise significantly for many drumpf supporters, how will they continue to blame Obama?

salto;1877489 wrote:After insurance rates rise significantly for many drumpf supporters, how will they continue to blame Obama?

Perhaps for not having to pay taxes for insurance they can't afford to use?

gut;1877501 wrote:Perhaps for not having to pay taxes for insurance they can't afford to use?

Two different demographics. According to the article a large number of people depend on the subsidies.

ppaw1999;1877503 wrote:Two different demographics. According to the article a large number of people depend on the subsidies.

To HAVE insurance, sure. To actually be able to afford to use it is a different story.

Please, let's stop pretending like giving someone a handout is in any way a feather in the cap of Obamacare.