salto
Posts: 2,611
Jul 19, 2017 3:55am
Yup and you're a POS guido.like_that;1862774 wrote:Well you have no sympathy for a dying child and you didn't have one for a human dying in a plane crash. I figured imagining a Graham wrestler in same situation would provide some clarity. Sorry it went over your head.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 19, 2017 6:14am
Awww, sorry for the hurt feelz little guy [emoji45].salto;1862809 wrote:Yup and you're a POS guido.
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ppaw1999
Posts: 344
Jul 19, 2017 10:17am
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-cant-let-obamacare-fail-can-help-destroy-192444325.html
So what happened to the fantastic health care plan President Trump campaigned on? The one he promised to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a much better plan everyone would absolutely love on day one of his presidency? Enough free passes. President Trump should be held accountable for his campaign promises.
So what happened to the fantastic health care plan President Trump campaigned on? The one he promised to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a much better plan everyone would absolutely love on day one of his presidency? Enough free passes. President Trump should be held accountable for his campaign promises.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 19, 2017 10:35am
Trump never had a plan. He just wanted to be able to say the current plan was replaced. It could have been single payer and he would have considered it a victory.ppaw1999;1862840 wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-cant-let-obamacare-fail-can-help-destroy-192444325.html
So what happened to the fantastic health care plan President Trump campaigned on? The one he promised to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a much better plan everyone would absolutely love on day one of his presidency? Enough free passes. President Trump should be held accountable for his campaign promises.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jul 19, 2017 10:57am
So should congress, they own it at this point. Trump already told them to get him a bill and he will sign it.....even if it is repeal and replace.ppaw1999;1862840 wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-cant-let-obamacare-fail-can-help-destroy-192444325.html
So what happened to the fantastic health care plan President Trump campaigned on? The one he promised to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a much better plan everyone would absolutely love on day one of his presidency? Enough free passes. President Trump should be held accountable for his campaign promises.
The dems are the ones that are doubling and tripling down on this. THey know Obamacare is a disaster and they are cheering and high fiving on the collapse and unwillingness to work across the isle to do something about it. The dems will pay for this in 2018 and 2020 by losing more seats.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jul 19, 2017 11:24am
The Rs have a majority. Nothing the Ds do would have any meaning if they were on the same page. You can type all the bullshit rationalizations you want, but the simple truth is your party is too full of fail to do anything even when they have the advantage.Spock;1862847 wrote:So should congress, they own it at this point. Trump already told them to get him a bill and he will sign it.....even if it is repeal and replace.
The dems are the ones that are doubling and tripling down on this. THey know Obamacare is a disaster and they are cheering and high fiving on the collapse and unwillingness to work across the isle to do something about it. The dems will pay for this in 2018 and 2020 by losing more seats.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jul 19, 2017 12:12pm
dont disagree at all. Both parties suck ass. THe R's are playing politics with the USofA. But the Dems DO OWN Obamacare and anything that happens going forward.Heretic;1862851 wrote:The Rs have a majority. Nothing the Ds do would have any meaning if they were on the same page. You can type all the bullshit rationalizations you want, but the simple truth is your party is too full of fail to do anything even when they have the advantage.
The whole "Trump isnt holding up his promises" argument is BS. THe Senate is at fault on this one. The only way Trump owns this is if a bill hits his desk and he doesnt sign it.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 19, 2017 12:17pm
Uh, pretty sure it's the presidents job to lead both parties to work together. He is currently no different than obama, who refused to do it as well. We all know you (and many of us) called out obama for the same shit, so Trump shouldn't be getting a free pass on this either.Spock;1862855 wrote:dont disagree at all. Both parties suck ass. THe R's are playing politics with the USofA. But the Dems DO OWN Obamacare and anything that happens going forward.
The whole "Trump isnt holding up his promises" argument is BS. THe Senate is at fault on this one. The only way Trump owns this is if a bill hits his desk and he doesnt sign it.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jul 19, 2017 12:28pm
Pretty much. He can't even get the Rs to work together under a situation where if they did, the Ds wouldn't be able to do anything but impotently grind their teeth; let alone get the Ds to work with the Rs.like_that;1862859 wrote:Uh, pretty sure it's the presidents job to lead both parties to work together. He is currently no different than obama, who refused to do it as well. We all know you (and many of us) called out obama for the same shit, so Trump shouldn't be getting a free pass on this either.
As for CC's other comment: The Ds do own Obamacare. Anything that happens going forward? No. The Ds don't own the Rs shitty attempts to half-assedly replace it and they don't own the Rs inability to work together to make anything happen. They also don't own the simple truth that the Rs had no actual plan in their minds other than "We're gonna get rid of Obamacare to show we can be proactive and shit!!!", but with no actual idea how to implement said "plan".
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 19, 2017 12:38pm
I agree, but can't 100% agree. If Obamacare continues to fail the Dems and Obama deserve criticism as they shoved it down our throats without apparently even knowing what was in the bill (hi Nancy). Now, will they be criticized? I highly doubt it and if they are it will be overshadowed by the ineptness of the GOP. Just turn on the TV and nobody will mention the Dems. So, I have no idea which world CC is living in where this somehow will hurt the Dems more than the GOP lol.Heretic;1862862 wrote:
As for CC's other comment: The Ds do own Obamacare. Anything that happens going forward? No. The Ds don't own the Rs shitty attempts to half-assedly replace it and they don't own the Rs inability to work together to make anything happen. They also don't own the simple truth that the Rs had no actual plan in their minds other than "We're gonna get rid of Obamacare to show we can be proactive and shit!!!", but with no actual idea how to implement said "plan".
At the end of the day this is just par for the course. Both parties love to one up each other to see who can come off as the biggest dipshit.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Jul 19, 2017 1:18pm
God Emperor Trump can do no wrong.Spock;1862847 wrote:So should congress, they own it at this point. Trump already told them to get him a bill and he will sign it.....even if it is repeal and replace.
The dems are the ones that are doubling and tripling down on this. THey know Obamacare is a disaster and they are cheering and high fiving on the collapse and unwillingness to work across the isle to do something about it. The dems will pay for this in 2018 and 2020 by losing more seats.
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ppaw1999
Posts: 344
Jul 19, 2017 8:04pm
When President Trump was running for office he made no mention of Congress. He stated he had a plan ready to go on his first day in office. Just more empty promises to get votes. Who says Trump isn't a real politician?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jul 20, 2017 9:21am
In all fairness they don't have 60 in the Senate so just like we saw here, the Ds can stop anything they want.Heretic;1862851 wrote:The Rs have a majority. Nothing the Ds do would have any meaning if they were on the same page. You can type all the bullshit rationalizations you want, but the simple truth is your party is too full of fail to do anything even when they have the advantage.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jul 20, 2017 10:20am
heard on talk radio this morning that Trump gave the reins to McConnell and he is screwing it up. Trump has been on the phone to Rand Paul every day. So if this deal gets done then Trump is doing it.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jul 20, 2017 10:36am
Politicians lie. Are you just figuring this out?ppaw1999;1862911 wrote:When President Trump was running for office he made no mention of Congress. He stated he had a plan ready to go on his first day in office. Just more empty promises to get votes. Who says Trump isn't a real politician?
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jul 20, 2017 10:36am
This sounds like so much bull shit. Trump did say he had a plan ready to go that was going to be great. He has nothing and can't get anyone to cooperate.Spock;1862936 wrote:heard on talk radio this morning that Trump gave the reins to McConnell and he is screwing it up. Trump has been on the phone to Rand Paul every day. So if this deal gets done then Trump is doing it.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jul 20, 2017 10:54am
you do realize that the Pubs had 7 or 8 plans on the table a few years ago and the Dems wouldnt even talk to them or compromise. It was "pass it to see what is in it". Dont blow off that Trump didnt have anything. Of course he didnt. THe republican party did.FatHobbit;1862938 wrote:This sounds like so much bull shit. Trump did say he had a plan ready to go that was going to be great. He has nothing and can't get anyone to cooperate.
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ppaw1999
Posts: 344
Jul 20, 2017 2:02pm
No. Just pointing out that President Trump "drain the swamp" and I know better than anybody else was just a bunch of bs. President Trump is a habitual liar no different than most politicians. The new boss is just like the old boss.superman;1862937 wrote:Politicians lie. Are you just figuring this out?
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ppaw1999
Posts: 344
Jul 20, 2017 2:05pm
If the Pubs have 7 or 8 plans what is stopping them from presenting them now? All they had during the Obama administration were cries of repeal. Nothing more.Spock;1862941 wrote:you do realize that the Pubs had 7 or 8 plans on the table a few years ago and the Dems wouldnt even talk to them or compromise. It was "pass it to see what is in it". Dont blow off that Trump didnt have anything. Of course he didnt. THe republican party did.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jul 20, 2017 10:32pm
It's there, you have to dig for it. It's right there behind his "defeat ISIS in 30 days" plan.FatHobbit;1862938 wrote:This sounds like so much bull shit. Trump did say he had a plan ready to go that was going to be great. He has nothing and can't get anyone to cooperate.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jul 21, 2017 8:00am
its in the same place as Obamas shovel ready jobsgut;1863032 wrote:It's there, you have to dig for it. It's right there behind his "defeat ISIS in 30 days" plan.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jul 21, 2017 1:50pm
Lol was it ok when Obama did it?Spock;1863040 wrote:its in the same place as Obamas shovel ready jobs
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jul 21, 2017 2:07pm
That's what I love about deflectors. They'll bash something all day long when the other guys does it, but when their guy does something, they'll simply say something along the lines of "Well, he did all this, too!!!", like that's some sort of iron-tight defense. Sadly, it is not, leaving me with the hilariousness of watching the people who bitched every time someone compared Obama to Bush II doing the same thing with Trump to Obama.FatHobbit;1863103 wrote:Lol was it ok when Obama did it?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 21, 2017 2:09pm
Big difference between half a year vs 8.Heretic;1863106 wrote:That's what I love about deflectors. They'll bash something all day long when the other guys does it, but when their guy does something, they'll simply say something along the lines of "Well, he did all this, too!!!", like that's some sort of iron-tight defense. Sadly, it is not, leaving me with the hilariousness of watching the people who bitched every time someone compared Obama to Bush II doing the same thing with Trump to Obama.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jul 21, 2017 2:15pm
Long way before 8 when the site Rs started getting testy about it.like_that;1863107 wrote:Big difference between half a year vs 8.
EDIT: This is more like 11 months instead of a half year, but applies.
http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?2095-Obama-s-speech-on-Afghanistan-tonight
Site Rs crying because in giving a speech about Afghanistan, he referenced Bush's policies there negatively.