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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Sep 20, 2017 11:33am
obamaKare is a complete disaster; there is nothing to salvage from it; it is over.
The state's can decide how to handle care for the truly poor.
Beyond that, if you want health insurance, find a job that provides that benefit, or buy the policy you want in a free marketplace. PERIOD.
It is really incredibly simple, once BIG government is out of the way.
The state's can decide how to handle care for the truly poor.
Beyond that, if you want health insurance, find a job that provides that benefit, or buy the policy you want in a free marketplace. PERIOD.
It is really incredibly simple, once BIG government is out of the way.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Sep 20, 2017 2:01pm
GOP healthneglect plan is a total disaster. Nothing to salavge from millions of hard working americans having a more expensive health care plan or losing coverage all together.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Sep 20, 2017 3:31pm
What the fuck do you think has been happening for the last 6 years.Commander of Awesome;1872623 wrote:GOP healthneglect plan is a total disaster. Nothing to salavge from millions of hard working americans having a more expensive health care plan or losing coverage all together.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Sep 20, 2017 4:47pm
Commander of Awesome;1872623 wrote:GOP healthneglect plan is a total disaster. Nothing to salavge from millions of hard working americans having a more expensive health care plan or losing coverage all together.
Ok I admit, this caught me by surprise and I lol'dQuakerOats;1872632 wrote:What the fuck do you think has been happening for the last 6 years.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Sep 20, 2017 5:03pm
Commander of Awesome;1872537 wrote:Again, you fail to grasp what this law does nor state your issues with the current plan other than obama.
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You wanna raise taxes gut?
Again, the issue is one of funding, which is a budget decision technically independent of the plan. Obamacare already had a hole in it in that states were going to be responsible for an increased percentage of their funding.
What's my problem with Obamacare? How about high premiums and deductibles - Affordable Care it is not. Like I said, it's a monstrosity that basically increased medicaid funding and eligibility in the most retarded way possible. Perhaps the saddest part of it all was millions of people enrolled were ALREADY eligible under existing medicaid programs and didn't know it (basically ACA the most expensive entitlement advertising in history).
The ONLY reason Dems still defend Obamacare is they want to be able to say "we gave really shitty healthcare to millions of Americans". And they won't cross the aisle or work with Repubs to fix it because politics.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Sep 20, 2017 5:15pm
This.gut;1872659 wrote:Again, the issue is one of funding, which is a budget decision technically independent of the plan. Obamacare already had a hole in it in that states were going to be responsible for an increased percentage of their funding.
What's my problem with Obamacare? How about high premiums and deductibles - Affordable Care it is not. Like I said, it's a monstrosity that basically increased medicaid funding and eligibility in the most retarded way possible. Perhaps the saddest part of it all was millions of people enrolled were ALREADY eligible under existing medicaid programs and didn't know it (basically ACA the most expensive entitlement advertising in history).
The ONLY reason Dems still defend Obamacare is they want to be able to say "we gave really shitty healthcare to millions of Americans". And they won't cross the aisle or work with Repubs to fix it because politics.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Sep 22, 2017 6:03pm
Apologies in advance for being a tad harsh...but John McCain needs to just quick fucking around and die.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Sep 25, 2017 11:59am
fish82;1872914 wrote:Apologies in advance for being a tad harsh...but John McCain needs to just quick fucking around and die.
Can't argue with you. I called his office and Rand Paul's on Friday to raise hell. McCain's phone lines were over-flooded; left him a scathing email instead. Got through to Pauls' office and let the guy that answered have it. Fuckheads.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Sep 25, 2017 12:06pm
Can't be too critical, since I believe the country would be better off if Trump keeled over during one of his ANGRY Twitter outbursts.fish82;1872914 wrote:Apologies in advance for being a tad harsh...but John McCain needs to just quick fucking around and die.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Sep 25, 2017 1:44pm
Next time, can you record one of these calls and share?QuakerOats;1873256 wrote:Can't argue with you. I called his office and Rand Paul's on Friday to raise hell. McCain's phone lines were over-flooded; left him a scathing email instead. Got through to Pauls' office and let the guy that answered have it. Fuckheads.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Sep 25, 2017 2:01pm
Yeah...President Pence would be awesome. :laugh:Heretic;1873257 wrote:Can't be too critical, since I believe the country would be better off if Trump keeled over during one of his ANGRY Twitter outbursts.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Sep 25, 2017 2:27pm
While I disagree with him politically, I at least think he'd be in office working towards a goal other than "MAKE SURE MY NAME IS ALL THE HEADLINES!!1!!!!1111" and that he'd have better things to do with his time than feud online with whomever his magic 8-ball (or regular 8-ball of the powder) tells him to. Better to have competency you disagree with than sheer idiocy; that's what compromise is all about!fish82;1873293 wrote:Yeah...President Pence would be awesome. :laugh:
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Sep 25, 2017 3:28pm
QuakerOats;1873256 wrote:Can't argue with you. I called his office and Rand Paul's on Friday to raise hell. McCain's phone lines were over-flooded; left him a scathing email instead. Got through to Pauls' office and let the guy that answered have it. Fuckheads.
They aren't YOUR representatives - they answer to the voters in KY and AZ, respectively. You should have been told to "go find yourself".
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Sep 25, 2017 3:36pm
Shhh...he's the self-appointed spokesman for "THE PEOPLE". No state lines, districts or actual logic will stop him from yelling at random interns.gut;1873329 wrote:They aren't YOUR representatives - they answer to the voters in KY and AZ, respectively. You should have been told to "go find yourself".
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Sep 25, 2017 4:20pm
gut;1873329 wrote:They aren't YOUR representatives - they answer to the voters in KY and AZ, respectively. You should have been told to "go find yourself".
I was happy to point out that I am free to contribute $$$$$$$$$ to their upcoming opponents, as are millions of others.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Sep 25, 2017 4:55pm
Nobody cares about your 2 cents worth.QuakerOats;1873351 wrote:I was happy to point out that I am free to contribute $$$$$$$$$ to their upcoming opponents, as are millions of others.
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bigorangebuck22
Posts: 186
Sep 26, 2017 7:50am
Unless you are a billionaire contributor, you might as well just set fire to a pile of cash. That's the only demographic GOP/conservatives truly care about.QuakerOats;1873351 wrote:I was happy to point out that I am free to contribute $$$$$$$$$ to their upcoming opponents, as are millions of others.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Sep 26, 2017 9:09am
What is was is that people don't get that John McCain is just giving cover to people like Rob Portman who don't want to vote for a bill that every stakeholder in the healthcare industry opposes.
Reality: Something like Obama care was always the conservative approach to inching toward universal health insurance coverage. The GOP lied to its voters for years and then the dog caught the car and didn't know what to do.
Reality: Something like Obama care was always the conservative approach to inching toward universal health insurance coverage. The GOP lied to its voters for years and then the dog caught the car and didn't know what to do.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Sep 26, 2017 11:02am
FIFYbigorangebuck22;1873449 wrote:Unless you are a billionaire contributor, you might as well just set fire to a pile of cash. That's the only demographic all politicians truly care about.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Sep 26, 2017 11:03am
no Mccain is doing this to spite Trump. He cant stand Obama care and the only reason he is playing this game is because he doesnt like Trump and is trying to sabatoge his 2020 bidBoatShoes;1873468 wrote:What is was is that people don't get that John McCain is just giving cover to people like Rob Portman who don't want to vote for a bill that every stakeholder in the healthcare industry opposes.
Reality: Something like Obama care was always the conservative approach to inching toward universal health insurance coverage. The GOP lied to its voters for years and then the dog caught the car and didn't know what to do.
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ppaw1999
Posts: 344
Sep 26, 2017 12:24pm
If the Right were able to get this bill passed, it would end up being as big of an albatross for the Right as Obamacare has been for the Left. Be careful what you wish for.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Sep 26, 2017 3:25pm
But even with McCain, they'd still be a vote short.Spock;1873490 wrote:no Mccain is doing this to spite Trump. He cant stand Obama care and the only reason he is playing this game is because he doesnt like Trump and is trying to sabatoge his 2020 bid
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Sep 27, 2017 8:44am
If it wasn't McCain it would have been someone else. McCain allows the Trump lovers like yourself to blame McCain rather than the GOP as a whole.Spock;1873490 wrote:no Mccain is doing this to spite Trump. He cant stand Obama care and the only reason he is playing this game is because he doesnt like Trump and is trying to sabatoge his 2020 bid
When McCain dies and derpy Roy Moore gets to the Senate and HealthSouth and every other healthcare provider beats down the door in Bama to explain what repealing Ocare would do to his people they'll have to find some other lame duck moderate to take the fall.
Take it to the bank.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Sep 27, 2017 8:49am
Mind you...notice there is no blame for God Emperor Trump who didn't to nothing to lobby for an Ocare repeal and had no idea what was in the bills etc. It's always the swamp's fault....never the buffoon embarrassing the nation every day.Spock;1873490 wrote:no Mccain is doing this to spite Trump. He cant stand Obama care and the only reason he is playing this game is because he doesnt like Trump and is trying to sabatoge his 2020 bid
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 27, 2017 9:20am
Trump DGAF. He just wants to sign something to say he signed it.BoatShoes;1873647 wrote:Mind you...notice there is no blame for God Emperor Trump who didn't to nothing to lobby for an Ocare repeal and had no idea what was in the bills etc. It's always the swamp's fault....never the buffoon embarrassing the nation every day.