Heretic;1763663 wrote:This is getting LOLerrific right now. Manziel has been declared to have the greatest game in NFL history for a quarterback committing two turnovers and leading to his team scoring nine points. Against a defense that gave up 35 or so to the Raiders last week.

Yeah nine points and another 7 when the ref blew the call on Johnny's scramble and a another 7 points when Hartline, Barnidge and Benjamin all dropped touchdown passes on the final drive. And since you can't read, what I said was that this was one of the TOP 10 performance by a Browns quarterback since they moved back in 1999.

The Johnny bashers are reaching deep tonight ain't they?

As or cutting Pryor...of course that was a dumb move. Just as dumb as cutting Dion Lewis. Cueball should be named Clueless when it comes to evaluating players. The assclown has had Manziel rotting away on the bench all season...Nuff said.

Footwedge;1763713 wrote:Derek Carr was horrible his first season...and people like you think he's God gift to football. Johnny shredded Pittsburgh's defense without a running game. Simply amazing. You know the same defense that the undefeated Bengals piled up 16 points against.

Just admit it sleuth...you and your toadie buds here are dead wrong on Manziel.

Carr faced that same Pittsburgh defense last week and put up 4TD's and 35 points. Cherry picking games doesn't show much either way. Johnny made some progress today, but he still had a long way to go. He struggles to read a defense, he needs to take better care of the ball, and his lack of arm strength and height limit what he can do. With that said, he did enough to deserve another start.

Player A:
1st 5 Starts: 82.2 QB rtg.
1016 yards 8 TD(total)

Player B:
1st 5 starts: 75.7 QB rtg.
824 yards 4 TDs (Total)

Guess the players

HighRoller74;1763718 wrote:Player A:
1st 5 Starts: 82.2 QB rtg.
1016 yards 8 TD(total)

Player B:
1st 5 starts: 75.7 QB rtg.
824 yards 4 TDs (Total)

Guess the players

A is Richard Todd

B is Vince Ferragamo

lol

HighRoller74;1763718 wrote:Player A:
1st 5 Starts: 82.2 QB rtg.
1016 yards 8 TD(total)

Player B:
1st 5 starts: 75.7 QB rtg.
824 yards 4 TDs (Total)

Guess the players

Player B is little Johnny football

HighRoller74;1763655 wrote:Mariota, First Career start, First Career game.

13/16 209yards 4TD, 0int, 0Fmb, 158.3 QB Rtg. And most importantly a WIN.

SportsAndLady;1763657 wrote:Derek Carr, 5th game: 18/34 282 yards, 4 TD's, 1 INT

HighRoller74;1763658 wrote:Bridgewater 2nd Career Game, 2nd Career Start

19/30 317 yards 0 TD, 0 int, 0 Fumbles, 1 Rushing TD QB rating 98.9, most importantly, a WIN.

Now now, don't let any facts or statistics get in the way of this. Those guys could only DREAM of being as good as Johnny Manziel.

Al Bundy;1763717 wrote:Carr faced that same Pittsburgh defense last week and put up 4TD's and 35 points. Cherry picking games doesn't show much either way. Johnny made some progress today, but he still had a long way to go. He struggles to read a defense, he needs to take better care of the ball, and his lack of arm strength and height limit what he can do. With that said, he did enough to deserve another start.

LOL. You Johnny bashers are indeed a hoot and a half. Better get used to it because this dude is the Cleveland Browns quarterback for the nect 15 years. First of all, D Carr has made about 20 starts so far. Manziel...um...5. big difference little man. Secondly, not cherry picking anything...he was really good against Tennessee,really good for 3 quarters against Cincinnati and dazzled all day against the Steelers after his first play SNAFU. You show your utter ignorance in repeatedly claiming that Manziel has a weak arm. Dan Fouts commented not once but twice on Manziel's rocket arm. As for his height LMAO. Yeah completing 33 out of 41 passes sure shows an inability to see over the line doesn't it?

Manziel has a much stronger arm...and a much more accurate arm than Carr, Bridgewater, or Winston. Bortles and Mariota have rocket arms similar to Johnny's, but they don't have the accuracy.

Gonna enjoy the spin this week on the sports talk shows in listening to Jizzo. Buttmunch Bishop, and especially Bruce blew a Hooley who claims that "Johnny has never made a play inside the pocket".

Dustin Fox and Adam the Bull are probably on suicide watch after their "must draft a quarterback next year" shtick will obviously be shit canned by Browns management.

Footwedge;1763734 wrote:LOL. You Johnny bashers are indeed a hoot and a half. Better get used to it because this dude is the Cleveland Browns quarterback for the nect 15 years.

I will bet you that Johnny is either cut, traded or released from the Browns before 2030. Are you willing to make that bet?

HighRoller74;1763718 wrote:Player A:
1st 5 Starts: 82.2 QB rtg.
1016 yards 8 TD(total)

Player B:
1st 5 starts: 75.7 QB rtg.
824 yards 4 TDs (Total)

Guess the players

Last year's stats mean absolutely nothing LowRoller...NOTHING. For all intents and purposes this is Manziel's rookie season and you can thank Cueball's utter ignorance in evaluating talent (How can the dumbass cut Dion Lweis over Tate, Crow and West) in not starting Manziel all season. Johnny served up a huge pile of STFU to all the assclowns that actually believed NcClown gives the Browns the best chance to win nonsense. He doesn't.

Al Bundy;1763735 wrote:I will bet you that Johnny is either cut, traded or released from the Browns before 2030. Are you willing to make that bet?

He'll be here for the next 15 years...better get used to the "little drunk" (your words) leading this team.

Footwedge;1763736 wrote:Last year's stats mean absolutely nothing LowRoller...NOTHING. For all intents and purposes this is Manziel's rookie season and you can thank Cueball's utter ignorance in evaluating talent (How can the dumbass cut Dion Lweis over Tate, Crow and West) in not starting Manziel all season. Johnny served up a huge pile of STFU to all the assclowns that actually believed NcClown gives the Browns the best chance to win nonsense. He doesn't.

The only stats that really matter are 1) selected stats against college kids from 2012, 2) a good pass against the Titans, 3) a broken play against the Titans, 4) 1 good drive against the Bengals, and 5) high yardage stats against the Steelers (even though many of the yards came in garbage time). All other stats should be ignored.

Footwedge;1763737 wrote:He'll be here for the next 15 years...better get used to the "little drunk" (your words) leading this team.

So, you are willing to make the bet?

On a sad note, How does Cueball keep his gig? All his talk of "cleaning this up and cleaning that up" hasn't happened but only gotten worse. The penalties, especially on fourth downs is just unmerciful. 188 yards in penalties was actually misleading in that there were other penalties declined by the Steelers.

The defensive lack of a pass rush is a horror show. Their secondary is the worst in football. At least...for one quarter, they stopped the run. When Ben got in...it was send everyone deep and I'll drop it over Desir. Gaines and Williams on every play...they never ran the ball until the 4th quarter.

Al Bundy;1763739 wrote:So, you are willing to make the bet?

I don't make wagers with people who sell women's shoes for a living.

Al Bundy;1763738 wrote:The only stats that really matter are 1) selected stats against college kids from 2012, 2) a good pass against the Titans, 3) a broken play against the Titans, 4) 1 good drive against the Bengals, and 5) high yardage stats against the Steelers (even though many of the yards came in garbage time). All other stats should be ignored.

Keep reaching. Bashing Johnny is going to be really hard this week and it will get exponentially worse if management steps in and orders Cueball to play Manziel going forward.

Looking forward to reading Mary Kay's mea culpa an Johnny this week...And Bud Shaw's "spin" will be pure entertainment. Anybody hear from Merryll Hoge after the game? Cowher? LMAO.

Footwedge;1763741 wrote:I don't make wagers with people who sell women's shoes for a living.

Nice to see that you are terrified to make the bet.

Footwedge;1763742 wrote:Keep reaching. Bashing Johnny is going to be really hard this week and it will get exponentially worse if management steps in and orders Cueball to play Manziel going forward.

Looking forward to reading Mary Kay's mea culpa an Johnny this week...And Bud Shaw's "spin" will be pure entertainment. Anybody hear from Merryll Hoge after the game? Cowher? LMAO.

I didn't bash Johnny; I said he deserves another start. He has many areas where he needs to improve to be a qb that can help you win. I don't see him lasting very long because of his mental and physical limitations, but I hope he proves me wrong and is a great qb.

wildcats20;1763498 wrote:http://twitter.com/SBNation/status/665966761418891264/photo/1

I can't copy the gif, but there it is.

That's pretty pathetic.

Im convinced, and I hate bringing up conspiracy theories(iggy,footwedge), but you have to believe Pettine hates the moves made by farmer and just isn't playing them. I mean come on, no way Pettine is that dumb regarding talent

Holy shit can't we just agree Johnny played good? This game was closer than it appeared. Johnny scored on that run, I have no idea what game the official was watching and Travis Bejamin needs to catch that fucking ball. No need for that, that's 14 points. He looked very good. No way he can go to josh on that Monday night game.

shook_17;1763749 wrote:Holy shit can't we just agree Johnny played good?

Agreed. This is something for him to build off of. No need for "some" to wet their pants when it was ONE good performance. Now if they start Manziel, moving forward, and he keeps playing similarly, or better, they may not need to burn that high draft pick on a QB. <<<< I'm not betting on that though.

shook_17;1763749 wrote:Holy shit can't we just agree Johnny played good?

I'd say "improved" is a better description. More turnovers than touchdowns is a losing performance, no matter the yards or quarterback rating. He left four points on the field on the FG drive. The good news is that Benjamin was the correct target on 3rd down, the bad is had he recognized it a fraction earlier, it was a walk-in touchdown.

BR1986FB;1763753 wrote:Agreed. This is something for him to build off of. No need for "some" to wet their pants when it was ONE good performance. Now if they start Manziel, moving forward, and he keeps playing similarly, or better, they may not need to burn that high draft pick on a QB. <<<< I'm not betting on that though.

We can't find out unless he plays though. Unfortunately I see petty pett sticking with mccown after the bye week.