mcburg93;1756819 wrote:Not a gun but would love to have this scope. Its expensive but from my research it is well worth it.

http://www.eurooptic.com/swarovski-z3-4-12x50-bt-4w-reticle-matte-black-59024.aspx

From my experences and the help I give others on guns, a scope is like a women. If it fits perfectly on your gun the first time, you're halfway home to a successful relationship. If not the problems begin early and never ends well.

Attaching a scope to a weapon requires lots of reseach, checking and double checking .. right scope for the weapon and the reasoning for the scope has to be the perfect fit.

Never good to under buy the quality, range, magification and other perks of a scope but it is just bad to over buy also.
Know what your needs are for a scope and what the weapon capablities are.. and make the match.

If you're a poor shooter without a scope, a scope won't help... It's all about technique, breathing and focus

I dont hunt so for me a scope is not something I need for any of my weapons (kill ground hogs, aim and shoot it the challenge) .

With this New AR-15 I'm looking into the compitition shooting up at Camp Perry.... I away wanted to test my pistol skills, but now I can test my once expert rifle skills. I have to alter my techque and shoot lefty.

Belly35;1754258 wrote:. maybe you should get out more ... Thugs come to you. I can't remember the last time anyone reported being beaten, home breaking or robbery an reported its ok I ask for it...

I'm pretty sure the Steubenville girls were 5% responsible.

Belly35;1756822 wrote:From my experences and the help I give others on guns, a scope is like a women. If it fits perfectly on your gun the first time, you're halfway home to a successful relationship. If not the problems begin early and never ends well.

Attaching a scope to a weapon requires lots of reseach, checking and double checking .. right scope for the weapon and the reasoning for the scope has to be the perfect fit.

Never good to under buy the quality, range, magification and other perks of a scope but it is just bad to over buy also.
Know what your needs are for a scope and what the weapon capablities are.. and make the match.

If you're a poor shooter without a scope, a scope won't help... It's all about technique, breathing and focus

I dont hunt so for me a scope is not something I need for any of my weapons (kill ground hogs, aim and shoot it the challenge) .

With this New AR-15 I'm looking into the compitition shooting up at Camp Perry.... I away wanted to test my pistol skills, but now I can test my once expert rifle skills. I have to alter my techque and shoot lefty.

I have a .308 that had trigger work and I love to shoot long range with it. Im talking 500-700 yards and I used to do 1000+. My eyes are not as good as they once were and this scope with the magnifying ability would help me tremendously. Right now I can hold a 4 inch pattern at those distances. I think I can improve that with a better scope.

Ruger is backing PolyCase in bringing a new defensive round to market.....getting pretty good reviews across the board, too.

http://www.guns.com/2015/10/16/ruger-taps-polycase-to-make-ruger-brand-ammo/

I'm also thinking that there should be a better mouse trap sometime better is better and then again not so much. I like the idea ...... But I will still hold on to my make a big hole ammo .... If this polycast Ammon works I will buy it for sure.

Good thread.

I actually am looking to buy my first firearm soon.

I've been clay-pigeon shooting, little target stuff here and there, but never hunted, owned guns or anything like that.

I basically want something that I can use for home protection and take to a range occasionally. Any suggestions?

Trueblue23;1757924 wrote:Good thread.

I actually am looking to buy my first firearm soon.

I've been clay-pigeon shooting, little target stuff here and there, but never hunted, owned guns or anything like that.

I basically want something that I can use for home protection and take to a range occasionally. Any suggestions?

what is your interest ....pistol, shotgun, rifle...?

one of the most feared weapons in any encounter is a shotgun... This is crazy but look up Curcuit Judge .. 410 and or .44 long

i prefer pistol shooting ... Home protection, compitition and range.

Rossi's circuit judge is an excellent home defense weapon....can shoot both .410 shot gun shells and 45 long colt which can be mixed and matched within the 5 shot "revolver" rifle. 18 inch barrel makes it maneuverable indoors. Loaded with self defense .410 shells you have a good weapon thatis easy and quick to use and your wife can fire/handle easily....without the worry of penetrating walls. Cost...about $600.

I suppose you can use it to shoot at clay pigeons with target loads too.

Just bought a S&W MP .40c last week. pretty much had to give a sperm sample here in Kalifornia.

Trueblue23;1757924 wrote:Good thread.

I actually am looking to buy my first firearm soon.

I've been clay-pigeon shooting, little target stuff here and there, but never hunted, owned guns or anything like that.

I basically want something that I can use for home protection and take to a range occasionally. Any suggestions?

do you plan on getting a CCW ?

If you don't intend to carry, I would go with a shotgun or rifle.

Glory Days;1757976 wrote:Just bought a S&W MP .40c last week. pretty much had to give a sperm sample here in Kalifornia.

your a former police officer right? You had to jump throw hoops also?
i see where Calif is now having background checks for ammo also...... Does that also mean a limit on purchasing the ammo?

Belly35;1757967 wrote:what is your interest ....pistol, shotgun, rifle...?

one of the most feared weapons in any encounter is a shotgun... This is crazy but look up Curcuit Judge .. 410 and or .44 long

i prefer pistol shooting ... Home protection, compitition and range.

Belly35;1757980 wrote:do you plan on getting a CCW ?

If you don't intend to carry, I would go with a shotgun or rifle.

Honestly, I have no idea what my preference would be. I would think pistol, simply because of the ability to store it more discretely. That's a big thing for my wife.

I think a CCW will be something I explore once I get some time with the weapon and get more comfortable.

Trueblue23;1758148 wrote:Honestly, I have no idea what my preference would be. I would think pistol, simply because of the ability to store it more discretely. That's a big thing for my wife.

I think a CCW will be something I explore once I get some time with the weapon and get more comfortable.

Any of the name brand handgun makers (Glock, S&W, Sig, Ruger, Springfield just to name a few) all have multiple models well-suited to the task of home defense/concealed carry. Go to a gun store and have them show you some options in a size you're thinking of (probably a compact or even a subcompact if you're talking about one gun for both home and carry. Alternatively, you could get a full size pistol for home and buy a carry gun later if you so decide). Handle a number of guns, and get to a range and shoot some that feel good in your hand (note: take a buddy with you if possible, it's more fun and some ranges are hinky about renting to someone arriving alone).

I've read here that Belly is a fan of Sig Sauer. My cousin thinks S&W is the only manufacturer worth consideration. I have multiple brands, but I tend toward being a Glock-tard. The key is we're all right, and none of us can tell you what feels right and shoots best for you. With some possible exceptions (also subjective), it will be tough to go too wrong with any of the big names.

Belly35;1757982 wrote:your a former police officer right? You had to jump throw hoops also?
i see where Calif is now having background checks for ammo also...... Does that also mean a limit on purchasing the ammo?

Yes and no. I am in a weird situation. I get some law enforcement benefits when it comes to guns. but lets say I wanted to buy extra full size magazines for my official duty gun, I cant because my specific occupation isn't recognized in California.

queencitybuckeye;1758189 wrote:Any of the name brand handgun makers (Glock, S&W, Sig, Ruger, Springfield just to name a few) all have multiple models well-suited to the task of home defense/concealed carry. Go to a gun store and have them show you some options in a size you're thinking of (probably a compact or even a subcompact if you're talking about one gun for both home and carry. Alternatively, you could get a full size pistol for home and buy a carry gun later if you so decide). Handle a number of guns, and get to a range and shoot some that feel good in your hand (note: take a buddy with you if possible, it's more fun and some ranges are hinky about renting to someone arriving alone).

I've read here that Belly is a fan of Sig Sauer. My cousin thinks S&W is the only manufacturer worth consideration. I have multiple brands, but I tend toward being a Glock-tard. The key is we're all right, and none of us can tell you what feels right and shoots best for you. With some possible exceptions (also subjective), it will be tough to go too wrong with any of the big names.

Great information.... thanks queencitybuckeye

After 41 years without a weapon after my tour of duty.... I took this path : Alternatively, you could get a full size pistol for home and buy a carry gun later if you so decide).

I did my reseach and tested different weapons, Sig was the best fit for me... Bought a Sig .45 full size... love sho0ting this weapon, later pick up a Sig 9mm full size for my competitive shooting.
Got the wife a Sig P238 carry I liked it some much bought my self one also (sweet little carry weapon).
Have a Henry Golden Boy .22 rifle for ground hogs ... and just added a Bushmaster XM AR-15

Whatever you do practice, practice and more practice with your weapon and get to know it ...
Buy a gun safe ASAP... digital hand gun case beside your bed ... Makes the wife feel better about you having a gun
If you going with a rife.... same same... get a locked case ASAP

Like everyone said, I would definitely find a way to shoot a few different guns before you drop that kind of money on something you may not like.

Belly35;1758291 wrote:Great information.... thanks queencitybuckeye

After 41 years without a weapon after my tour of duty.... I took this path : Alternatively, you could get a full size pistol for home and buy a carry gun later if you so decide).

I did my reseach and tested different weapons, Sig was the best fit for me... Bought a Sig .45 full size... love sho0ting this weapon, later pick up a Sig 9mm full size for my competitive shooting.
Got the wife a Sig P238 carry I liked it some much bought my self one also (sweet little carry weapon).
Have a Henry Golden Boy .22 rifle for ground hogs ... and just added a Bushmaster XM AR-15

Whatever you do practice, practice and more practice with your weapon and get to know it ...
Buy a gun safe ASAP... digital hand gun case beside your bed ... Makes the wife feel better about you having a gun
If you going with a rife.... same same... get a locked case ASAP

Great info!

Possibly a stupid question here... but if I want to go to a range to test some weapons, is there any procedure for that? I don't want to feel stupid walking in and saying "hey man I have no idea what the hell I'm doing but I wanna shoot" haha.

Also, would 9mm be a good starting point?

Trueblue23;1758386 wrote:Great info!

Possibly a stupid question here... but if I want to go to a range to test some weapons, is there any procedure for that? I don't want to feel stupid walking in and saying "hey man I have no idea what the hell I'm doing but I wanna shoot" haha.

Also, would 9mm be a good starting point?

Most gun ranges (indoors) will have rental safety glasses, ear protection.
They will also have rental weapons and ammo to buy.

If the Range is a operated right they will help you and walk you throw the operation and what to do. It is in their interest to help you.

Many Ranges for additional $25.00 will provide a one hour lesson for new gun users (generally on a Saturday morning early) That is a great way to learn and fire different weapons and get to know the Range owner and operations. This would be my first suggestion

This range will be where you will most likely take your CCW training also.

Words of wisdom: Dont feel obligated to buy your weapon and supplies at the Range if the deal is not a good deal, buy your weapon, supplies and mmo someplace else. Don't be talked into buy a weapon that the Range only handles ...

OR

I suggest that the first time or two you go with a friend (if you live near Canton I will help you...)

Fire a few rounds, get comfortable with the environment, owner and the range. Then go and test the different weapons that you can rent.

Note: if you buy a pistol or for that matter any weapon.... buy the mid value eye and ear protection (if you are going to continue to shoot) then ask the wife to get you a gun bag, cleaning kits mag, best eye and ear protection and ammo for Christmas ... ammo stocking stuffer is always fun

Note: Buying cheap is never a good way to go when dealing with your life, protection of your family and safety of a weapon.


If you never fired a pistol before a 9 mm would be a good starting point.
9 mm is a great weapon, like dogs weapons all have a different reason, feel and advantages. What fits best for you is what your looking for. I can tell you once you get your first weapon, practice and your proficiency increases you’ll get another weapon.

True blue....not a stupid question at all, and Belly is spot on. If you don't know what you are doing, don't go to a range and fumble around by yourself. Most rangers offer instruction, and if you are a complete novice, talk to the proprietor about a lesson/ course in firearm safety and operation. You should now how to safely load and unload a weapon, and be familiar with it's operation before you fire it.

Thanks fellas.

I found a pistol I like:

Grand Power P1 Mk7 Semi-Auto Pistol

Any experience?

Trueblue23;1758664 wrote:Thanks fellas.

I found a pistol I like:

Grand Power P1 Mk7 Semi-Auto Pistol

Any experience?

No but here is a review that I would trust

1. The Grand Power P1 is a great choice for a medium-size off-duty pistol.

2. The Grand Power is a high-quality pistol made in Slovakia.

3. The pistol sports front slide serrations and replaceable front sight.

4. Ten different types of ammo and 300 rounds fired without fail. Accuracy at 7 yards was excellent.

5. Field stripping the Grand Power is accomplished by first pulling down on the trigger guard.

6. The slide and barrel lift off the frame to field strip simply without tools. Offhand accuracy at 15 yards is still outstanding.

7. Robust steel rear sight is snag-resistant and features white dots for low-light shooting.

8. Ambi Controls: The right side of the P1 displays its completely ambidextrous controls.

9. Four interchangeable backstraps are included with the P1 to fit any officer’s grip.

http://policemarksman.com/2013/06/20/bullseye-gun-review-%E2%80%90-the-grand-power-p1-pistol-a-quality-handgun-from-slovakia/


Let go shooting....

I've never seen one, so this is just from a little reading. It looks like a solid, reliable gun at a nice price point. The only thing that might give me pause is a hammer-fired gun without a decocker.

The only wrong weapon is a cheap weapon.
Looks to be a good weapon for your first gun, report is good.
If you like this weapon, comfortable with it and have confidence in it ... perfect
Now is the time to become knowledgeable with it and proficient using it.
Learn how stand, arm position, grip, trigger pull and head position .. shooting is not just about point an shot (quick kill method you can learn that later) until then pointing and shooting will be a sure miss at any distances.
Without the proper technique of shooting, missing your target at 10 will be your standards level of achievement.
Go to the range set your target at 10 feet get a good grouping, using the proper shooting techniques, also view the methods on Youtube as a reminder of how to and practice those methods. Shooting is like golf it all about proper method and how
I shoot at a distance of between 15 and 20 feet…. Generally any encounter will be with that distance or less. Because it practice to shoot competitively, sometimes I will move the target out to about 30 feet just to get a feel for focusing and distance.
At the end of practice shooting I like to do a 8 round quick fire on a clean target ….

here you go Belly...I know your a fan of Henry rifles too....
http://www.guns.com/review/2015/10/28/gun-review-henry-big-boy-steel-video/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5631087904d3014a92706b3f&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

HitsRus;1759607 wrote:here you go Belly...I know your a fan of Henry rifles too....
http://www.guns.com/review/2015/10/28/gun-review-henry-big-boy-steel-video/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5631087904d3014a92706b3f&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

I hear that they would be coming out with something like this. Really nice if I was a hunter of bigger game but I just pick off groundhogs

Really like to looks of this weapon and the fact they use Timken Steel

This could show up on my gun list very soom...