I just feel so bad for black people. Hopefully soon, white people can stop holding black people back and then every black person will be successful.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1711738 wrote:This business from the University of Oklahoma makes me think three things:

1. The chant is horrible and I don't feel sorry for the fraternity losing it's chapter at the school.
2. Thank God these phones weren't around when I was in school. There is so much stupid crap that kids this age do to be funny or impressive - especially when drinking.
3. Social media/youtube has made our society so damned sanctimonious. A video goes up of someone yelling "Boo!" and we all act outraged and disgusted - as though none of us has ever done a thing that could reflect horribly on us if it had been witnessed.

fact

isadore;1711770 wrote:gosh a ruddies this seems a little more than yelling "boo." "There will never be a ni**** SAE. You can hang him from a tree, but he can never sign with me. There will never be a ni**** SAE." I guess its just boo to all the frat boy crypto racists that on this thread try to rationalize racism away. Gosh Parker Rice gave us a true view of what so many hide from public view.

It's 'boo' because they are just words. We empower them so much by our collective outrage. As I said, the chant was disgusting and I feel no sympathy for the fraternity losing its chapter. But I also remember very clearly what it was like being that age and how easily kids get drawn into a moronic group mentality that causes them to act horrible. There should be consequences for one's actions, but proportional to the offense. Our society has gotten accustomed to judging these social media episodes from the perspective that the rest of us are pure as the wind driven snow. In reality, every single one of us has probably done something that, if it were taped and put on youtube, would look absolutely terrible and earn the wrath of the rest of our perfect world.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1711866 wrote:It's 'boo' because they are just words. We empower them so much by our collective outrage.

Bravo....but remember, you can't be a bleeding heart unless you have a victim to empathize with.

gut;1711867 wrote:Bravo....but remember, you can't be a bleeding heart unless you have a victim to empathize with.

hardly a surprise for an apologist for frat boy racism

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1711866 wrote:It's 'boo' because they are just words. We empower them so much by our collective outrage. As I said, the chant was disgusting and I feel no sympathy for the fraternity losing its chapter. But I also remember very clearly what it was like being that age and how easily kids get drawn into a moronic group mentality that causes them to act horrible. There should be consequences for one's actions, but proportional to the offense. Our society has gotten accustomed to judging these social media episodes from the perspective that the rest of us are pure as the wind driven snow. In reality, every single one of us has probably done something that, if it were taped and put on youtube, would look absolutely terrible and earn the wrath of the rest of our perfect world.

gosh lets see what we can do to mitigate and excuse such abhorrent racism by a member of exclusionist group. And maybe you should pay attention to the other part of his statement that going beyond racist insult. "You can hang him from a tree." Given the history of anti black lynching in Oklahoma and Texas that has extra meaning and threat.

isadore;1711868 wrote:hardly a surprise for an apologist for frat boy racism

Where did I do that? It's statements like yours that make the race baiters look like ignorant haters.

isadore;1711869 wrote:gosh lets see what we can do to mitigate and excuse such abhorrent racism by a member of exclusionist group. And maybe you should pay attention to the other part of his statement that going beyond racist insult. "You can hang him from a tree." Given the history of anti black lynching in Oklahoma and Texas that has extra meaning and threat.

The chant was horrible. You'll get no argument from me there. And there are consequences to taking part in such behavior. Those responsible should be held accountable. That's been the case since the beginning of time. What I take issue with is the moral outrage these social media cases incite. It's a skipping record. We all need an enemy so much that when someone f's up, we go defcon 5 on them immediately. I think it is to make ourselves feel better personally. I do it in my personal life all the time, usually without realizing it at the time. I get all worked up by someone else's transgressions and make harsh judgments. It allows me to avoid dealing with my own issues. These internet videos just seem to excacerbate the whole thing. On top of that, these videos are out there for good. So what if these kids see the error of their ways and make amends for what they've done? In 15 or 20 or 50 years, people will still be able to connect them to this incident and pass judgement. I'm very grateful that my early life was not documented in this same way.

gut;1711872 wrote:Where did I do that? It's statements like yours that make the race baiters look like ignorant haters.

by your continuing effort to dismiss outrage over blatantly racist statements and actions as race baiting by "ignorant haters." What a thought process you have that attacks those outraged by this endorsement of lynching by these elitist exclusionists.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1711875 wrote:The chant was horrible. You'll get no argument from me there. And there are consequences to taking part in such behavior. Those responsible should be held accountable. That's been the case since the beginning of time. What I take issue with is the moral outrage these social media cases incite. It's a skipping record. We all need an enemy so much that when someone f's up, we go defcon 5 on them immediately. I think it is to make ourselves feel better personally. I do it in my personal life all the time, usually without realizing it at the time. I get all worked up by someone else's transgressions and make harsh judgments. It allows me to avoid dealing with my own issues. These internet videos just seem to excacerbate the whole thing. On top of that, these videos are out there for good. So what if these kids see the error of their ways and make amends for what they've done? In 15 or 20 or 50 years, people will still be able to connect them to this incident and pass judgement. I'm very grateful that my early life was not documented in this same way.

When someone demonstrates what they really feel it should be remembered. When I say something that reveals my true feeling in front of a like minded group free from repercussions, I let them know who I really am.
If I endorse lynching that cost the lives of untold thousands, 20 years from now people should remember it.

isadore;1711886 wrote:When someone demonstrates what they really feel it should be remembered. When I say something that reveals my true feeling in front of a like minded group free from repercussions, I let them know who I really am.
If I endorse lynching that cost the lives of untold thousands, 20 years from now people should remember it.

In my life, I've said things like "I could kill that guy" or "I hate" this or "f- that". In my heart, I don't believe those things. They were said in anger or perhaps trying to impress others. I don't believe you can know a person's heart based on one thing they say - especially if you don't know a person. Because I don't have video of my from years ago, I don't have to continually answer for stupid, uninformed or ignorant things I may have said when I was an insecure stupid kid.

isadore;1711880 wrote:by your continuing effort to dismiss outrage over blatantly racist statements and actions as race baiting by "ignorant haters." What a thought process you have that attacks those outraged by this endorsement of lynching by these elitist exclusionists.

No, I dismissed YOUR comment directed at me as ignorant race baiting. MY comment in this thread was only that words have power because people give them power. If you somehow mistook that as an endorsement of what these idiots did, then that probably explains your very distorted view of reality.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1711866 wrote:It's 'boo' because they are just words. We empower them so much by our collective outrage. As I said, the chant was disgusting and I feel no sympathy for the fraternity losing its chapter. But I also remember very clearly what it was like being that age and how easily kids get drawn into a moronic group mentality that causes them to act horrible. There should be consequences for one's actions, but proportional to the offense. Our society has gotten accustomed to judging these social media episodes from the perspective that the rest of us are pure as the wind driven snow. In reality, every single one of us has probably done something that, if it were taped and put on youtube, would look absolutely terrible and earn the wrath of the rest of our perfect world.

Yes, and as you said, it would have been earned. What we may or may not have done at that age is of no particular relevance.

So frats can rape girls and stay on campus, but these guys get crucified for saying a word that black people say 100 times a day. It's a word, get over it. They're college kids, they say dumb shit.

Raw Dawgin' it;1711906 wrote:So frats can rape girls and stay on campus, but these guys get crucified for saying a word that black people say 100 times a day. It's a word, get over it. They're college kids, they say dumb shit.

LOL, c'mon man....they had a whole song. That can't be defended as just an ignorant slip or joke.

On that note, enjoy some David Allen Coe (WARNING: do not play at work or around any other people):
nevermind, not going to link it...just a colorful song about a guy's girl running off with another man

Raw Dawgin' it;1711906 wrote:So frats can rape girls and stay on campus, but these guys get crucified for saying a word that black people say 100 times a day. It's a word, get over it. They're college kids, they say dumb shit.

Yeah, because them saying the word is the problem, and not the context in which the word was said. Stupid argument.

gut;1711911 wrote:LOL, c'mon man....they had a whole song. That can't be defended as just an ignorant slip or joke.

On that note, enjoy some David Allen Coe (WARNING: do not play at work or around any other people):
nevermind, not going to link it...just a colorful song about a guy's girl running off with another man

Wow, they had a song, big deal. Do black people really give a shit what southern white boys think? Is anyone truly offended? Are black people marching on campus? The only people upset are white people who don't want black people to think they're actually racist. Are you offended that black people think you're privileged because you're white and you're actively holding them back as a race just because you're white? Are you offended at the word cracker or honkey? I think they can get over it and not give a shit.

queencitybuckeye;1711915 wrote:Yeah, because them saying the word is the problem, and not the context in which the word was said. Stupid argument.

Have you ever made a jew joke or laughed at one? Have you ever laughed at something said about another religion or race? What about stereotyping? So it's ok in that context?

Just stop raw

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1711866 wrote:It's 'boo' because they are just words. We empower them so much by our collective outrage. As I said, the chant was disgusting and I feel no sympathy for the fraternity losing its chapter. But I also remember very clearly what it was like being that age and how easily kids get drawn into a moronic group mentality that causes them to act horrible. There should be consequences for one's actions, but proportional to the offense. Our society has gotten accustomed to judging these social media episodes from the perspective that the rest of us are pure as the wind driven snow. In reality, every single one of us has probably done something that, if it were taped and put on youtube, would look absolutely terrible and earn the wrath of the rest of our perfect world.

Great post.

SportsAndLady;1711922 wrote:Just stop raw

Why? You think two of the kids should have been expelled for saying dump shit while drunk?

Raw Dawgin' it;1711938 wrote:Why? You think two of the kids should have been expelled for saying dump shit while drunk?

In the world we live in today, yes. If this happened at OSU, you'd be damn sure I'd want the kids expelled. Americans are way too sensitive to social "issues" and like to be offended so they can puff out their chest and take the high ground. It's the liberal way.

Raw Dawgin' it;1711938 wrote:Why? You think two of the kids should have been expelled for saying dump shit while drunk?

Yep, because it was so much more than that. Memorized and rehearsed, and I'd bet he wasn't always drunk when learning it. And it's more a declaration or alma mater than just some stupid drunken joke.

He'll make many new black friends at community college /sleeper'd

gut;1711942 wrote:Yep, because it was so much more than that. Memorized and rehearsed, and I'd bet he wasn't always drunk when learning it. And it's more a declaration or alma mater than just some stupid drunken joke.

He'll make many new black friends at community college /sleeper'd

If it were a bunch of black kids making racist jokes on whites, you think they'd get expelled? I doubt.

Raw Dawgin' it;1711947 wrote:If it were a bunch of black kids making racist jokes on whites, you think they'd get expelled? I doubt.

If they were singing a song they wrote about killing white kids...yes.