robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 3, 2014 1:33pm
What does the future have to do with right now? You're talking about a completely different argument. I said name me 25 players based on 2013-2014 that are better than DWade. What you're saying is NOT what I said, not even close.Rotinaj;1632708 wrote:Dwades minutes are going to keep going down and down and I highly doubt he will ever play more than 65ish regular season games again. You are insane if you don't think there are at least 25 players in the league that a team would rather have.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jul 3, 2014 1:34pm
Reading comprehension...robj55;1632709 wrote:Who in the league is more effective at making 3's than 2's? How does that make sense in any way? 3's are the lowest percentage shot in the game.
He's saying more effective than Wade at making 3s and less effective than him at making 2s.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jul 3, 2014 1:35pm
Compared to your bullshit Wade argument. I'm discussing players that are more efficient at scoring than Wade (hence higher TS%) because while they may shoot less than 55% from the field, the fact that a 3 is worth more than a 2 makes up for it.robj55;1632709 wrote:Who in the league is more effective at making 3's than 2's? How does that make sense in any way? 3's are the lowest percentage shot in the game.
Your insistence on using shooting percentage rather than TS% necessarily means you have no regard for the difference between a field goal being worth 3 points and being worth 2 points. That, sir, is idiotic and shows a lack of knowledge, logic, and understanding.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jul 3, 2014 1:36pm
Reps for being able to exercise reading comprehension!!Heretic;1632713 wrote:Reading comprehension...
He's saying more effective than Wade at making 3s and less effective than him at making 2s.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 3, 2014 1:37pm
Kyle Korver has. I think this year even.robj55;1632709 wrote:Who in the league is more effective at making 3's than 2's? How does that make sense in any way? 3's are the lowest percentage shot in the game.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 3, 2014 1:38pm
Bolded are no and LOL at some of those. Hibbert, Rondo, Deng Deandre Jordan, Carter Williams, Holiday, David Lee, Dragic, just lol. Keep grasping for straws man, terriblesleeper;1632711 wrote:1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. George
4. CP3
5. Love
6. Curry
7. Anthony
8. Griffin
9. Harden
10. Howard
11. Davis
12. Wall
13. Lilliard
14. Aldridge
15. Irving
16. Derozan
17. Duncan
18. Parker
19. Cousins
20. Ibaka
21. Bosh
22. Noah
23. Nowitzi
24. Hibbert
25. Dragic
26. Ginobli
27. Rondo
28. Deng
29. Lopez
30. Holiday
31. Westbrook
32. Randolph
33. Lee
34. M. Gasol
35. P. Gasol
36. Kobe
37. Carter Williams
38. D. Jordan
39. A. Jefferson
40. Rudy Gay
There's 40. Do I need to keep going? I could name 150 players better than fucking Wade. He's garbage and he's the reason the Heat will never win another championship.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jul 3, 2014 1:38pm
Sleeper, that was list a list and not your ranking right?
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 3, 2014 1:38pm
So one player?, that's not going to sway me. If it were the norm then fine.Laley23;1632717 wrote:Kyle Korver has. I think this year even.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 3, 2014 1:38pm
The list was terrible, you and I both know it.lhslep134;1632720 wrote:Sleeper, that was list a list and not your ranking right?
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jul 3, 2014 1:38pm
Yes.lhslep134;1632714 wrote:Compared to your bullshit Wade argument. I'm discussing players that are more efficient at scoring than Wade (hence higher TS%) because while they may shoot less than 55% from the field, the fact that a 3 is worth more than a 2 makes up for it.
Your insistence on using shooting percentage rather than TS% necessarily means you have no regard for the difference between a field goal being worth 3 points and being worth 2 points. That, sir, is idiotic and shows a lack of knowledge, logic, and understanding.
PROTIP: If shooter A hits 40% of his 3s and shooter B hits 60% of his 2s and both shooters shoot 100 times, they've scored the same amount of points (assuming FTs aren't in the equation).
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 3, 2014 1:39pm
It's just a list. I'm not going to waste time nit picking if someone is #5 or #8. Don't give a fuck. Wade is not a top 50 player in this league and if he makes anything above $1M next year coming off the bench the Heat have 0% chance of winning a championship.lhslep134;1632720 wrote:Sleeper, that was list a list and not your ranking right?
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 3, 2014 1:39pm
You mean the 66 shooting guards who didn't shoot 55% from the field while scoring at least 19 ppg?lhslep134;1632710 wrote:My favorite part of the list of those 66 players with a season more valuable than Wade's was that 7 of them came before the advent of the 3 point line, shitting on Rob's argument.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 3, 2014 1:40pm
And, yeah, give me Steph Curry, who is a threat to score from anywhere, over Wade who has to be 5 feet inside the arc before you need to guard him. Dont care that curry didnt shoot 55%.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 3, 2014 1:40pm
No they aren't more efficient, because if they were they would have learned how to get better shots and make them, that right there is efficiency my friend.lhslep134;1632714 wrote:Compared to your bullshit Wade argument. I'm discussing players that are more efficient at scoring than Wade (hence higher TS%) because while they may shoot less than 55% from the field, the fact that a 3 is worth more than a 2 makes up for it.
Your insistence on using shooting percentage rather than TS% necessarily means you have no regard for the difference between a field goal being worth 3 points and being worth 2 points. That, sir, is idiotic and shows a lack of knowledge, logic, and understanding.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Jul 3, 2014 1:41pm
That's a poor argument because Wade does all his scoring in the paint. Mainly because he can't hit a jumper to save his life.robj55;1632725 wrote:You mean the 66 shooting guards who didn't shoot 55% from the field while scoring at least 19 ppg?
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 3, 2014 1:41pm
I had Curry as one of the ones who is better. Wade is an extremely good mid range jump shooter, always has been. Let's not act like Curry doesn't have deficiencies.Laley23;1632726 wrote:And, yeah, give me Steph Curry, who is a threat to score from anywhere, over Wade who has to be 5 feet inside the arc before you need to guard him. Dont care that curry didnt shoot 55%.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 3, 2014 1:42pm
Plus if it was a ranking, Harden would be #26.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 3, 2014 1:42pm
Curry has two functioning knees and has never shit the bed with the best player on the planet in the NBA finals.robj55;1632730 wrote:I had Curry as one of the ones who is better. Wade is an extremely good mid range jump shooter, always has been. Let's not act like Curry doesn't have deficiencies.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 3, 2014 1:43pm
No he doesn't he shoots it extremely well from mid range and the long two. Also the point of the game is to get the best shots available to have a higher chance of scoring, Wade understands that and does that. He doesn't need to shoot it 20-22 times a game to get his points and contribute.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1632729 wrote:That's a poor argument because Wade does all his scoring in the paint. Mainly because he can't hit a jumper to save his life.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 3, 2014 1:43pm
Well, I was just saying it happens. I didnt bother looking. He was literally the 2nd players I googled.robj55;1632721 wrote:So one player?, that's not going to sway me. If it were the norm then fine.
EDIT: LOL just googled a 3rd player...Steph Curry did it last year. I am 2/3 on hunches. (Reggie Miller never did, who was first...also my favorite player so I was curious.)
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Jul 3, 2014 1:43pm
For argument sake, I bolded the guys I don't think are as good as Wade. Many are still improving though. Wade's ability is decreasing, and the fact that he is very injury prone devalues him.sleeper;1632711 wrote:1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. George
4. CP3
5. Love
6. Curry
7. Anthony
8. Griffin
9. Harden
10. Howard
11. Davis
12. Wall
13. Lilliard
14. Aldridge
15. Irving
16. Derozan
17. Duncan
18. Parker
19. Cousins
20. Ibaka
21. Bosh
22. Noah
23. Nowitzi
24. Hibbert
25. Dragic
26. Ginobli
27. Rondo
28. Deng
29. Lopez
30. Holiday
31. Westbrook
32. Randolph
33. Lee
34. M. Gasol
35. P. Gasol
36. Kobe
37. Carter Williams
38. D. Jordan
39. A. Jefferson
40. Rudy Gay
There's 40. Do I need to keep going? I could name 150 players better than fucking Wade. He's garbage and he's the reason the Heat will never win another championship.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 3, 2014 1:44pm
Wade averaged 15 ppg in the finals, let's see Curry even get there and win a ring. Wade is the third best SG of all time. Oh and Curry doesn't have bad knees he has shit ankles.sleeper;1632735 wrote:Curry has two functioning knees and has never shit the bed with the best player on the planet in the NBA finals.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 3, 2014 1:44pm
If we really want efficient, we need to look at points per shot...
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 3, 2014 1:45pm
smh man, we are talking about based on 2013-2014. TerribleDr. KnOiTaLL;1632738 wrote:For argument sake, I bolded the guys I don't think are as good as Wade. Many are still improving though. Wade's ability is decreasing, and the fact that he is very injury prone devalues him.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jul 3, 2014 1:46pm
Here's the definition of true shooting from basketball-reference. I will bold the word that you have definitively shown you have no idea what it means:robj55;1632727 wrote:No they aren't more efficient, because if they were they would have learned how to get better shots and make them, that right there is efficiency my friend.
True shooting percentage is a measure of shooting efficiency that takes into account field goals, 3-point field goals, and free throws