Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 25, 2014 9:57pm
I think they'll still have to Move Lin, but heading that way.wildcats20;1630176 wrote:Making room for Melo and/or Bron.
That 2015 Pels pick is gonna be pretty good too.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 25, 2014 10:01pm
[video]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhEO50EEgBIF00986C[/video]
Looks pretty good. Though you'd think they'd have someone a little taller to go against.
Looks pretty good. Though you'd think they'd have someone a little taller to go against.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Jun 25, 2014 10:06pm
Their owner made it seem like deals were already in place for Lin and Asik. Seems like it was the case with Asik at least, wonder where Lin goes.HighRoller74;1630179 wrote:I think they'll still have to Move Lin, but heading that way.
That 2015 Pels pick is gonna be pretty good too.
Harden and NO's '15 1st rounder seems like a good start for getting Melo in a sign-and trade deal. It will depend on how much Phil Jax wants in return.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Jun 25, 2014 10:16pm
I dont want to put two and two together because I haven't seen a transcript of podcast, quotes or even heard it but Chad Ford mentioned on Simmons' podcast that its not uncommon for athletes from Africa to test positive for hepatitis. Reason for his agent sealing the med records?HighRoller74;1630160 wrote:https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/481970863093207040
Hope that's true. Totally brings the lulz
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 25, 2014 10:18pm
Saw that. And/or issues about their bone density due to more than likely being malnourished.sportswizuhrd;1630192 wrote:I dont want to put two and two together because I haven't seen a transcript of podcast, quotes or even heard it but Chad Ford mentioned on Simmons' podcast that its not uncommon for athletes from Africa to test positive for hepatitis. Reason for his agent sealing the med records?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 25, 2014 10:24pm
Come onsportswizuhrd;1630192 wrote:I dont want to put two and two together because I haven't seen a transcript of podcast, quotes or even heard it but Chad Ford mentioned on Simmons' podcast that its not uncommon for athletes from Africa to test positive for hepatitis. Reason for his agent sealing the med records?
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jun 25, 2014 11:18pm
I can't see why any Cavs fan would want to make that trade with Orlando. That is a HORRIBLE trade for us.HighRoller74;1630121 wrote:If the Jazz offer is legit, not sure how the Cavs can't pull the trigger. Same with the Orlando offer.
Cavs have too many holes that could/would be filled by both those offers, while still potentially (probably) getting Embiid, at much less risk.
Jazz giving 5, 23, Favors and Burks for the #1, and Dion/Jack
Orlando giving 4. 12. Afflalo for #1 and Dion/Jack.
The Utah trade is more tempting.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 25, 2014 11:39pm
How is that a horrible trade?Mulva;1630203 wrote:I can't see why any Cavs fan would want to make that trade with Orlando. That is a HORRIBLE trade for us.
The Utah trade is more tempting.
Two top 12 picks, and a Top 5 SG?
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KB0938
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Jun 25, 2014 11:47pm
Who's the top 5sg?
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 25, 2014 11:47pm
Afflalo.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jun 25, 2014 11:54pm
Afflalo was an OK player on a horrible team last year. He's a role player on a good team. There's no way he's a top 5 shooting guard, even as bad as the position currently is. You're basically making that move hoping that Embiid slides. What if he doesn't? You don't trade the #1 pick for a "probably". It's gotta be a sure thing.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 25, 2014 11:55pm
And to get this out of the way.
Top 5 in some order.
Harden, Afflalo, Dragic, Klay Thompson, DeRozen.
Position isn't that deep, but would be replacing Dion, with a better, more efficient player.
Who in thoery we could turn around and trade for another mid 1st round pick, or package to move around more in the 1st.
I to, would lean more towards the Jazz deal, but the Orlando deal is a pretty solid offer as well.
Top 5 in some order.
Harden, Afflalo, Dragic, Klay Thompson, DeRozen.
Position isn't that deep, but would be replacing Dion, with a better, more efficient player.
Who in thoery we could turn around and trade for another mid 1st round pick, or package to move around more in the 1st.
I to, would lean more towards the Jazz deal, but the Orlando deal is a pretty solid offer as well.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 25, 2014 11:56pm
If Embiid doesn't slide, you're still picking 4th, and you still are guaranteed to get one of the Consensus Top 4 players in the draft. Along with filling another need at 12.Mulva;1630215 wrote:Afflalo was an OK player on a horrible team last year. He's a role player on a good team. There's no way he's a top 5 shooting guard, even as bad as the position currently is. You're basically making that move hoping that Embiid slides. What if he doesn't? You don't trade the #1 pick for a "probably". It's gotta be a sure thing.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jun 25, 2014 11:57pm
I mean, Harden, Derozan, Klay, Stephenson, Ellis, Manu, Wade off the top of my head. I would personally take Crawford and Beal over him. And that doesn't even factor Kobe in.
Afflalo is a Wesley Matthews level player. A 4th option on a good team.
Afflalo is a Wesley Matthews level player. A 4th option on a good team.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 25, 2014 11:58pm
And he'd still be an upgrade over Dion.Mulva;1630218 wrote:I mean, Harden, Derozan, Klay, Stephenson, Ellis, Manu, Wade off the top of my head. I would personally take Crawford and Beal over him. And that doesn't even factor Kobe in.
Afflalo is a Wesley Matthews level player. A 4th option on a good team.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jun 25, 2014 11:59pm
There's a huge drop off after the top 3, with the possible exception of Exum, who probably wouldn't be in play due to his position.HighRoller74;1630217 wrote:If Embiid doesn't slide, you're still picking 4th, and you still are guaranteed to get one of the Consensus Top 4 players in the draft. Along with filling another need at 12.
If you think Waiters and #1 for something like Afflalo, Julius Randle, and Nik Stauskas is a good trade, we probably don't have anything else to debate.
Edit to add that I am the furthest thing from a Waiters fan. I think he's an inefficient, ball dominating chucker, and a horrible fit with Kyrie. This is entirely about the #1 pick.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 26, 2014 12:05am
There really isn't that big of a drop off from the top 3, and Exum. Exum, by most every analyst I've seen is listed on the same level as the other 3 guys.Mulva;1630220 wrote:There's a huge drop off after the top 3, with the possible exception of Exum, who probably wouldn't be in play due to his position.
If you think Waiters and #1 for something like Afflalo, Julius Randle, and Nik Stauskas is a good trade, we probably don't have anything else to debate.
As I said above, I'd lean towards the Jazz trade if both are their, but the Orlando trade isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. Cavs, have major question marks at 3 positions, and the Orlando trade would potentially help answer some questions. Not as well as the Jazz trade would, but it would definitely help.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Jun 26, 2014 12:13am
Parker on playing in Milwaukee.....
"I think I would fit along really well with the young guys there, especially a vet that I admire, OJ Mayo. I think that I could learn from him. He's been in the league quite some time and he's been a High School Phenom."
Yes, look at Mayo for leadership because of his HS career.....LOL!
He says he would be a pretty good fit in Cleveland because the Small Forward spot is open, he could replace Deng right away.
He then predicts he will go to Milwaukee because he hasn't heard much from Cleveland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m87vzU7HJk
(I forget how to embed youtube videos so I'll just post the link)
"I think I would fit along really well with the young guys there, especially a vet that I admire, OJ Mayo. I think that I could learn from him. He's been in the league quite some time and he's been a High School Phenom."
Yes, look at Mayo for leadership because of his HS career.....LOL!
He says he would be a pretty good fit in Cleveland because the Small Forward spot is open, he could replace Deng right away.
He then predicts he will go to Milwaukee because he hasn't heard much from Cleveland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m87vzU7HJk
(I forget how to embed youtube videos so I'll just post the link)
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 26, 2014 12:15am
Yeah, he's been in the league, but he's underachieved the whole time. Definitely look up to him.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Jun 26, 2014 12:59am
Commander of Awesome;1630095 wrote:Also Bill Simmons can GFH, but this was an interesting article:
http://grantland.com/features/nba-draft-crapshoot-repick-1995/
I don't get that?? Up until four years ago they were one of the most competitive teams in the league. In 2010 Lebron completely screwed them wasting so much time and resources there was no way they were going to field a competitive team immediately after that. I think this last season is when you could finally label them as underachieving. He's not doing the draft coverage tonight, is he? I don't feel like listening to him whine for the first 45 minutes.One of the most incompetent franchises of the last seven to eight years (Cleveland) has the first pick
But if they are one of the most incompetent, what does that make Sacramento, Minnesota, Detroit, Orlando, or Philadelphia?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jun 26, 2014 1:28am
Like I said, just Bill Simmons being a cheap shot artist at Cleveland and can GFH. He sucks ass, article besides that was still interesting.friendfromlowry;1630226 wrote:I don't get that?? Up until four years ago they were one of the most competitive teams in the league. In 2010 Lebron completely screwed them wasting so much time and resources there was no way they were going to field a competitive team immediately after that. I think this last season is when you could finally label them as underachieving. He's not doing the draft coverage tonight, is he? I don't feel like listening to him whine for the first 45 minutes.
But if they are one of the most incompetent, what does that make Sacramento, Minnesota, Detroit, Orlando, or Philadelphia?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 26, 2014 6:01am
Bill Simmons was a cry baby bitch boy after the cavs won the lottery. He also has been taking his shots at Cleveland for a long time. He used to write good stuff, now it's just pure garbage. He became a caricature of himself.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 26, 2014 10:43am
@WojYahooNBA: Orlando is finalizing a trade to send guard Arron Afflalo to the Denver Nuggets, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jun 26, 2014 11:56am
Yeah, I read that yesterday. I love in-depth looks at drafts like that and who were high-pick busts, compared to low-pick stars (or at least starters).Commander of Awesome;1630095 wrote:Anyone buying the Cavs trading the pick rumors?
Also Bill Simmons can GFH, but this was an interesting article:
http://grantland.com/features/nba-draft-crapshoot-repick-1995/
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jun 26, 2014 12:12pm
Fournier and a 2nd round pick for Afflalo. That's more appropriate for his value.