sleeper;1632611 wrote:What pieces are they going to get? Where is this mythical young talent that will do so on the cheap?

The Heat won't win another championship with their current core and trash aging bench pieces. It's not like the current core is exactly dominating on the court.

robj55;1632603 wrote:Let me know when Kobe or any other two guard for that matter shoots 55% from the field scoring 20 a game while still getting you 5 and 5. Kobe's highest fg% for a season is 47%, if he ever got to 55% people would be going nuts over it. Wade is easily a top 25 player still, people are grasping at straws with arguments against that. People are letting their hatred get in the way of reality as I let my bias get the best of me sometimes. Some of the names listed ahead of him were laughable stretches. He played in 73% of his team's games last year, good enough for me. No average player scores 20 a game on 55% shooting, that's an absolute ridiculous statement.

lhslep134;1632558 wrote:LMAO at you dude. You just implicitly admitted your entire argument is premised on the eye test while explicitly saying it's not. And you haven't brought up any numbers to back you up, so you're out of legs to stand on.

Once again, you failed to use reading comprehension because I said my NBA knowledge is superior when it comes to your flaming homerism of the Heat. Your non-Heat NBA opinions are generally good so I excluded those from this conversation.

Not only did you fail to comprehend what I wrote, your reading comprehension of what everyone's been posting the last couple pages is horrific as well. NO ONE is saying the Thunder WOULD beat the Heat, just that you're an idiot homer for vigorously denying the possibility.

Heretic;1632614 wrote:If a player can only play two-thirds of the games in a season due to his body being worn down and STILL be somewhat of a liability during the NBA finals because he couldn't handle the "stress" of not getting days off, he is not a Top 25 player. There's no way anyone remotely intelligent can even argue this. He didn't miss nearly 30 games because of an injury (like how Westbrook missed the first however many of the season) -- he missed them because his body simply can't handle back-to-backs any more.

sleeper;1632611 wrote:What pieces are they going to get? Where is this mythical young talent that will do so on the cheap?

The Heat won't win another championship with their current core and trash aging bench pieces. It's not like the current core is exactly dominating on the court.

robj55;1632615 wrote:Name me another shooting guard who has ever scored 20 ppg on 55% shooting

lhslep134;1632622 wrote:No one has ever done it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=55&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

SportsAndLady;1632621 wrote:And on top of that, what young player wants to go on a team and be the 4th or 5th option? Especially when old ass wade and raptor bosh is shooting 5 more shots a game then they are.

The heat will continue to attract dinosaurs looking to add a ring, they will NOT get good young talent. Just look at lowrys decision to resign with fucking canada over the heat.

robj55;1632626 wrote:Thank you for the research.

lhslep134;1632629 wrote:No I mean not even Wade has done it.

sleeper;1632611 wrote:What pieces are they going to get? Where is this mythical young talent that will do so on the cheap?

The Heat won't win another championship with their current core and trash aging bench pieces. It's not like the current core is exactly dominating on the court.

robj55;1632630 wrote:He averaged 19, close enough.

lhslep134;1632632 wrote:And rob, if you jigger it to 18.5 and 53% this is the list. Lo and behold, Wade is at the bottom when sorted by win shares because he didn't play enough games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=18.5&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=53&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

Funny enough, Magic Johnson was more valuable in 1980-81 playing in only 37 games putting up 18.5+ and 53%+ than Wade was last year playing in 54.

robj55;1632637 wrote:I don't know what all goes into win shares. All I know is he had a great season.

lhslep134;1632635 wrote:No, not close enough. Your point was invalid because no one has done it. You can't just discredit stats and then say 19 is 20. WTF are you trying to do here??

lhslep134;1632638 wrote:It's what it literally sounds like: the amount of wins you generate on your own.

robj55;1632637 wrote:I don't know what all goes into win shares. All I know is he had a great season.

robj55;1632640 wrote:What all goes into it and how is it calculated?

lhslep134;1632641 wrote:It's how many wins a player generates over the season. It's among the truest approximations of value because it takes everything (injuries, playing time, etc.) into account.

Last year, Wade was 73rd in large part because of his inability to play a full season. But just because he shot the ball well doesn't mean he had a great season. Like the link shows, Magic's 37 game season was more than 1 win better than Wade's 54 game season. I don't know why it has to be repeated 40,000 times to you, but even if Wade has top 25 talent (which, arguably he does I can't deny that), he's not a top 25 player or top 25 in value because he can't stay on the court unless he does so ineffectively.

Laley23;1632645 wrote:Do we have a depiction of where Wades shots were from. The guy is awful behind the arc, so I'd be curious how many runners and lay-ups he had. No way is he a 55% shooter if we are taking about actual shots.