sleeper;1620195 wrote:Didn't see Marietta on this list..

We'd have no use for a Petroleum Engineer. We only have EE's and ME's in our dept.

BoatShoes;1620227 wrote:You have a very specialized educational background and skill set and you're reminded us all about it over and over again lol! You don't have to be the brightest in your field when your field is small!

Just like the answer "go get a bachelor's degree!" was no good...neither is "go get an engineering degree!"

Show me where I said "go get an engineering degree". That list had many careers that weren't technical like engineering.

And your comment about competing with China is off base. You know how much engineering work is subbed out to China now?

Even the best electrical engineers have lost their jobs or had to move. My college roommate is on his fifth job, at least the last 3 have been in Texas and he seems to like it. Same for another dorm-mate who is the smartest guy I ever met, he had to relocate from Chattanooga to Memphis for his job - same state, still a move. And he is a 10 year Navy veteran. I've been all across the damned world (literally).

The reality is...there is no stability.

Manhattan Buckeye;1620239 wrote:Even the best electrical engineers have lost their jobs or had to move. My college roommate is on his fifth job, at least the last 3 have been in Texas and he seems to like it. Same for another dorm-mate who is the smartest guy I ever met, he had to relocate from Chattanooga to Memphis for his job - same state, still a move. And he is a 10 year Navy veteran. I've been all across the damned world (literally).

The reality is...there is no stability.

So you're saying these guys have had such poor luck with jobs, but the robust Ohio economy is providing a plethora of opportunities for me? I have a hard time believing that.
Perhaps they had such great jobs that it's tough to find another like it?

Manhattan Buckeye;1620239 wrote:Even the best electrical engineers have lost their jobs or had to move. My college roommate is on his fifth job, at least the last 3 have been in Texas and he seems to like it. Same for another dorm-mate who is the smartest guy I ever met, he had to relocate from Chattanooga to Memphis for his job - same state, still a move. And he is a 10 year Navy veteran. I've been all across the damned world (literally).

The reality is...there is no stability.

Its a possibility that they aren't good workers or employees. Maybe they don't like where they work or just job hop. There is a lot of that in every job.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1620242 wrote:So you're saying these guys have had such poor luck with jobs, but the robust Ohio economy is providing a plethora of opportunities for me? I have a hard time believing that.
Perhaps they had such great jobs that it's tough to find another like it?

In my experience, once you become "mid-career" status, it's incredibly easy to find other jobs. It seems like most of the jobs out there are for mid-to-high level positions. There's a whole metric fuckton of Project Manager jobs out there.

The entry-level "skilled" positions are a pain in the ass to find. Basically the only ones you get are shitty sales jobs (which Classyposter apparently is super pumped about) and jobs that require no degree at all (and thus pay terrible).

dlazz;1620271 wrote:which Classyposter apparently is super pumped about) and jobs that require no degree at all (and thus pay terrible).

That's the type of dumb people they go after.

dlazz;1620271 wrote:In my experience, once you become "mid-career" status, it's incredibly easy to find other jobs. It seems like most of the jobs out there are for mid-to-high level positions. There's a whole metric fuckton of Project Manager jobs out there.

The entry-level "skilled" positions are a pain in the ass to find. Basically the only ones you get are shitty sales jobs (which Classyposter apparently is super pumped about) and jobs that require no degree at all (and thus pay terrible).

Project managers are entry-level here. That's kind of a shit job no one else wants b/c of the head aches.

i have been encouraging students for years now to start their own businesses instead of depending on college and the job market

Gblock;1620307 wrote:i have been encouraging students for years now to start their own businesses instead of depending on college and the job market

lol....good luck with that.

Manhattan Buckeye;1620239 wrote:Even the best electrical engineers have lost their jobs or had to move. My college roommate is on his fifth job, at least the last 3 have been in Texas and he seems to like it. Same for another dorm-mate who is the smartest guy I ever met, he had to relocate from Chattanooga to Memphis for his job - same state, still a move. And he is a 10 year Navy veteran. I've been all across the damned world (literally).

The reality is...there is no stability.

I believe I said that one might need to move to stay employed even in good fields.

A few years back (possibly still there, not sure) you couldn't throw a rock without hitting a ChemEng job in Phoenix or Houston. But the market around the rest of the country wasn't good at all. I nearly moved to one of those cities a couple times (well, started looking for work there when I landed something local).

Having to move is not an indication that the whole market is bad, just that certain states/areas/cities are better for certain markets.

To be honest, Ohio is a bad market for ChemEng but darn good for MechEng and pretty good for ElecEng. However, any one of them can move to ND and find a job in the oil industry tomorrow with no problem. Just have to be willing to move.

There's a good chance if I want to advance my career I will be moving to Illinois in the next couple years, it would bother me to live in such a left wing nut case of a state, but it is what it is. You take care of your family.

sleeper;1620110 wrote:Intermediate microeconomics.

Yep. Like I said, unmemorable.

Gblock;1620307 wrote:i have been encouraging students for years now to start their own businesses instead of depending on college and the job market

#Boomeradvice

sleeper;1620313 wrote:#Boomeradvice

nah..good advice, if you have talent and something you like go for it. If you provide a quality product or service you will be fine. in recent years former students have started ..concert promotion companies, barber shops, t-shirt companies/clothing lines, gyms/personal training businesses, landscaping, food truck, photography and design companies. sure its not for everyone but i dont tell every single kid go to the best college OSU and then get a job.

Manhattan Buckeye;1620239 wrote:Even the best electrical engineers have lost their jobs or had to move. My college roommate is on his fifth job, at least the last 3 have been in Texas and he seems to like it. Same for another dorm-mate who is the smartest guy I ever met, he had to relocate from Chattanooga to Memphis for his job - same state, still a move. And he is a 10 year Navy veteran. I've been all across the damned world (literally).

The reality is...there is no stability.

I am curious how long these engineers were out of work?

I can honestly say that of all the engineers I know, none of them are unemployed right now looking for work. I have two guys that I have worked with in the past that were recently (within the last year) laid off and both of them had new jobs, in the same area (NE Ohio) within a month (both could have accepted a job earlier but were checking all of their options as they had multiple interviews).

Both were Mechanical Engineers, both lived/worked in NE Ohio, and one is not even a US citizen (dual citizenship between Russia and Canada) whose has a heavy Russian accent.

I will say that the one that was American is one of the smartest engineers I have ever met, so it didn't surprise me that he had multiple offers fairly quickly.

We just hired an engineer right out of college. I will find out from him his experience with respect to finding an entry level job. He just graduated this semester so it doesn't appear he was looking for a long time.

Gblock;1620319 wrote:nah..good advice, if you have talent and something you like go for it. If you provide a quality product or service you will be fine. in recent years former students have started ..concert promotion companies, barber shops, t-shirt companies/clothing lines, gyms/personal training businesses, landscaping, food truck, photography and design companies. sure its not for everyone but i dont tell every single kid go to the best college OSU and then get a job.

You know Gblock, you actually make some sense.

haha..i should say many of those who started successful businesses also graduated college..but college was of limited value except for the photogaphers who say it was very important.

Gblock;1620324 wrote:haha..i should say many of those who started successful businesses also graduated college..but college was of limited value except for the photogaphers who say it was very important.

College was the best decision of my life. I can't say enough good things about college; I love it!

Gblock;1620307 wrote:i have been encouraging students for years now to start their own businesses instead of depending on college and the job market

Students lack the capital to start their own business. The only ones who would have capital are ones who are in a wealthy family and probably are already set for life.

dlazz;1620330 wrote:Students lack the capital to start their own business. The only ones who would have capital are ones who are in a wealthy family and probably are already set for life.

can be difficult but at this point college is 150,000 anyway. most of them i know were able to secure investors thru customers and people who they did work for that could see their talent and work ethic as well as the potential in the business. they started most of these businesses out of their parents basement, internet stores etc.

Gblock;1620332 wrote:can be difficult but at this point college is 150,000 anyway. most of them i know were able to secure investors thru customers and people who they did work for that could see their talent and work ethic as well as the potential in the business. they started most of these businesses out of their parents basement, internet stores etc.

College isn't that expensive unless you're going to a private school, which makes you an idiot.

Nobody is going to want to front capital to a 18 year old with no education in today's economy unless they're onto something big (probably technology oriented)

dlazz;1620334 wrote:College isn't that expensive unless you're going to a private school, which makes you an idiot.

Nobody is going to want to front capital to a 18 year old with no education in today's economy unless they're onto something big (probably technology oriented)

im not saying you are gonna graduate and have a business in a week.. most get a job in the field they want to start their business or even do internships to learn the business. it could take 5-10 years to actually start making money. some people work a regular job and their business is their "hobby" on the weekends and spare time until they can make it work. i know many businesses fail, but it is an option for some students with passion or talent. this year i have a student who does self taught tattoos that are pretty phenomenal. I hooked him up with an internship so he can learn the business, hes only a sophomore. with technical training and a good role model in the business i think he can be very successful with out college.

Gblock;1620307 wrote:i have been encouraging students for years now to start their own businesses instead of depending on college and the job market

I actually have a side business that rakes in a ton of money. Only have to put in at most 2 hours a day. Buying wholesale selling retail. I make more doing this then I do my military pay which I think is good.

Gblock;1620307 wrote:i have been encouraging students for years now to start their own businesses instead of depending on college and the job market

So that's why there are so many lawn care and landscaping businesses out there.

my old roommate is in mechanical engineering and he gets solicited for internships and co-ops. Anyone find it kind of annoying that Manhattan doesnt even live in the states and he is an expert on the job economy?