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Pick6

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May 28, 2014 2:56 PM
dlazz;1620271 wrote:In my experience, once you become "mid-career" status, it's incredibly easy to find other jobs. It seems like most of the jobs out there are for mid-to-high level positions. There's a whole metric fuckton of Project Manager jobs out there.

The entry-level "skilled" positions are a pain in the ass to find. Basically the only ones you get are shitty sales jobs (which Classyposter apparently is super pumped about) and jobs that require no degree at all (and thus pay terrible).
why have you been working in IT for 7 years and still looking for entry level positions?
May 28, 2014 2:56pm
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MontyBrunswick

May 28, 2014 3:07 PM
Pick6;1620357 wrote:why have you been working in IT for 7 years and still looking for entry level positions?
No, which is why the job market sucks.
May 28, 2014 3:07pm
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jmog

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May 28, 2014 3:21 PM
Pick6;1620356 wrote:my old roommate is in mechanical engineering and he gets solicited for internships and co-ops. Anyone find it kind of annoying that Manhattan doesnt even live in the states and he is an expert on the job economy?
Like I said, I do not know a single engineer out there having a hard time finding work. The current unemployment rate for engineers statistically backs up my anecdotal evidence of those people I know.

I would have to believe that any industry that is in the 2-4% unemployment range would have similar ease in finding work.
May 28, 2014 3:21pm
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georgemc80

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May 28, 2014 4:10 PM
dlazz;1620334 wrote:College isn't that expensive unless you're going to a private school, which makes you an idiot.

Nobody is going to want to front capital to a 18 year old with no education in today's economy unless they're onto something big (probably technology oriented)

Actually private schools are priced to be competitive with state schools. Especially with tuition discounting or what they call merit scholarships.
May 28, 2014 4:10pm
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MontyBrunswick

May 28, 2014 4:14 PM
georgemc80;1620386 wrote:Actually private schools are priced to be competitive with state schools.
Base tuition at Otterbein is $31424
Base tuition at Miami OH is $13266

If that's "competitive" then pass me whatever you're puffin on
May 28, 2014 4:14pm
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queencitybuckeye

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May 28, 2014 4:16 PM
dlazz;1620387 wrote:Base tuition at Otterbein is $31424
Base tuition at Miami OH is $13266

If that's "competitive" then pass me whatever you're puffin on
Cost of attendance will come out about equal unless your family is wealthy. Few students at either pay "sticker price".
May 28, 2014 4:16pm
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Pick6

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May 28, 2014 4:30 PM
A chick I'm talking to graduating from a private school with 25k in debt. I graduated from public with nearly 50k.
May 28, 2014 4:30pm
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I Wear Pants

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May 28, 2014 5:20 PM
georgemc80;1620386 wrote:Actually private schools are priced to be competitive with state schools. Especially with tuition discounting or what they call merit scholarships.
As someone who's gone to a private school and a public school I call shenanigans on this.
May 28, 2014 5:20pm
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GOONx19

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May 28, 2014 5:25 PM
Out-of-state pharmacy school costs me $43k per year.
May 28, 2014 5:25pm
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iclfan2

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May 28, 2014 6:01 PM
GOONx19;1620407 wrote:Out-of-state pharmacy school costs me $43k per year.
Why? Wouldn't neoucom or whatever it is now have been much cheaper? 6 or 7 year program?
May 28, 2014 6:01pm
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georgemc80

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May 28, 2014 6:06 PM
Ok, don't get in the pool unless you know how to swim. I post facts.

From Otterbein.edu and their financial aid calculator.

25 ACT 1
Otterbein Scholarships $14,000
Grants $2,500
Work Study $1,500
Loans $5,500
Tuition, Room & Board $40,464
Out of Pocket Cost $16,964
250 SAT 3.5 GPA Family of 4 one in college 100000 income. (Room and Board)


My word is competitive not shenanigans


Lower to 55000 and you get this: no room and board



Your Estimated Package:
Otterbein Scholarships $14,000
Grants $1,895
Work Study $1,500
Loans $5,500
Tuition, Room & Board $31,424
Out of Pocket Cost $8,529
May 28, 2014 6:06pm
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MontyBrunswick

May 28, 2014 7:34 PM
georgemc80;1620416 wrote:Ok, don't get in the pool unless you know how to swim. I post facts.

From Otterbein.edu and their financial aid calculator.

25 ACT 1
Otterbein Scholarships $14,000
Grants $2,500
Work Study $1,500
Loans $5,500
Tuition, Room & Board $40,464
Out of Pocket Cost $16,964
250 SAT 3.5 GPA Family of 4 one in college 100000 income. (Room and Board)


My word is competitive not shenanigans


Lower to 55000 and you get this: no room and board



Your Estimated Package:
Otterbein Scholarships $14,000
Grants $1,895
Work Study $1,500
Loans $5,500
Tuition, Room & Board $31,424
Out of Pocket Cost $8,529
You're implying everyone gets a whole shit ton of scholarships each semester (throughout their entire college career, no less) as well as work study.

That applies to nearly nobody. Nice try, though.

Private schools are more expensive. Period. It doesn't matter how you try and spin it.
May 28, 2014 7:34pm
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Pick6

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May 28, 2014 8:17 PM
dlazz;1620419 wrote:You're implying everyone gets a whole shit ton of scholarships each semester (throughout their entire college career, no less) as well as work study.

That applies to nearly nobody. Nice try, though.

Private schools are more expensive. Period. It doesn't matter how you try and spin it.
I disagree. Private schools have to do that to actually get people to enroll, or else it's basically a no brainer decision.
May 28, 2014 8:17pm
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May 28, 2014 8:58 PM
^^^^not necessarliy ...private schools can boast smaller class sizes that are not taught by foreign graduate assistants.
May 28, 2014 8:58pm
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May 28, 2014 9:31 PM
Pick6;1620424 wrote:I disagree. Private schools have to do that to actually get people to enroll, or else it's basically a no brainer decision.
HitsRus;1620435 wrote:^^^^not necessarliy ...private schools can boast smaller class sizes that are not taught by foreign graduate assistants.
I agree with both of these.

As a product of private schools, and an employee of 3 different private schools, I know that they DO and CAN make things very affordable. Yes, there are many private schools that don't...just like there are numerous public schools that don't -- I am currently in conversation with a student who attends KU (University of Kansas) and I know I can immediately cut his costs by $3,000 per year, if not more. There are many scholarships offered by private schools that are not available at public schools. Unfortunately, the sticker price can scare a lot of students away...which can be a positive thing or negative thing.
May 28, 2014 9:31pm
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MontyBrunswick

May 28, 2014 9:48 PM
Pick6;1620424 wrote:I disagree. Private schools have to do that to actually get people to enroll, or else it's basically a no brainer decision.
I really really REALLY doubt they slash the price to the point where they're as cheap as their public counterparts.
May 28, 2014 9:48pm
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friendfromlowry

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May 28, 2014 10:40 PM
I chose private because I could begin classes the following Fall. If I had went to public, I'd have to wait a couple years due to the the program being so busy. I'd just now be graduating and the job market for my profession (in Dayton, anyways) sucks. Two years ago, it was so high in demand I had a full-time job lined up four months before I graduated.
May 28, 2014 10:40pm
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May 28, 2014 11:34 PM
HitsRus;1620435 wrote:^^^^not necessarliy ...private schools can boast smaller class sizes that are not taught by foreign graduate assistants.
Lol. Private schools are absolutely worthless because you over pay to join an alumni network in the 100's and graduate with a degree from a school in which no one has heard of.
May 28, 2014 11:34pm
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gut

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May 29, 2014 12:21 AM
sleeper;1620527 wrote:Lol. Private schools are absolutely worthless because you over pay to join an alumni network in the 100's and graduate with a degree from a school in which no one has heard of.
Yeah, I don't understand it. The goal should be to attend a top-50 program in your targeted field of study, which is going to be mainly large state schools and the Ivy+ schools. And for an undergrad degree I don't really think the Ivy+ are really worth the money relative to top state schools.

The other funny thing about Ivy undergrads - it's mainly the only route to banking and management consulting jobs out of undergrad. But then those kids go to MBA programs, and if they choose to return to IB or MC they're at the same level and pay as any of their cohorts from a variety of pre-MBA backgrounds.
May 29, 2014 12:21am
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Manhattan Buckeye

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May 29, 2014 5:39 AM
"I agree with both of these.:

That's because this is no black and white issue. It is a ton of shades of grey (no pun intended). Out of the 7 classes of HS I attended one person matriculated into Ohio State, and transferred after a semester. Because in the 80's and early to mid 90's Ohio State was toxic. Open admissions, racial problems, crappy dorms, 400+ classes, etc.. There was a brain drain out of Ohio, and for those that didn't leave they people went to Miami or OU-Athens. Scholarships were non-existent. Ohio State would have been the most expensive school I could have attended...because there were no scholarships.

Now that there are actual standards to be
admitted to the Columbus campus Ohio State has improved tremendously. If I was a high school student now I would consider it seriously and many of my alma mater's class will be attending there, in my day though Ohio State wasn't even an option. It was a cesspool so deep our guidance counselor told us not to go to OSU.
May 29, 2014 5:39am
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May 29, 2014 7:00 AM
May 29, 2014 7:00am
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queencitybuckeye

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May 29, 2014 7:04 AM
dlazz;1620451 wrote:I really really REALLY doubt they slash the price to the point where they're as cheap as their public counterparts.
Some schools guarantee that the family contribution from the FAFSA will be your "out the door price", while others do not.
May 29, 2014 7:04am
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MontyBrunswick

May 29, 2014 7:52 AM
queencitybuckeye;1620563 wrote:Some schools guarantee that the family contribution from the FAFSA will be your "out the door price", while others do not.
I'd say I come from an "average income family" and I received absolutely nothing from FAFSA.
May 29, 2014 7:52am
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May 29, 2014 9:15 AM
like_that;1620278 wrote:That's the type of dumb people they go after.
That's fine I'll accept being dumb and making over a grand a week in my early 20s lol. Poor me
May 29, 2014 9:15am
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MontyBrunswick

May 29, 2014 9:27 AM
Classyposter58;1620587 wrote:That's fine I'll accept being dumb and making over a grand a week in my early 20s lol. Poor me
You do know sales jobs are high failure/high turnover, right? Not to mention usually (nearly) 100% commission?
May 29, 2014 9:27am