Fab4Runner;1620057 wrote:I can't recall exactly when we met. I think it was when I was still living in Toledo (he is from the area). Regardless, we have hung out several times, and he has also met other OCers and some of my friends.

Sleeper is from Toledo? Makes sense, I see where he gets the pitbull.

Fab4Runner;1620057 wrote:I can't recall exactly when we met. I think it was when I was still living in Toledo (he is from the area). Regardless, we have hung out several times, and he has also met other OCers and some of my friends.

pics or it didn't happen

I really wish I could remember which class it was (maybe he does) but it was an unmemorable GEC during my sophomore year.

One thing is for sure it as not in an applied logic class...the guy leaves generalizations like pigeon droppings on this site.

lhslep134;1620049 wrote:He introduced himself bc we would see each other on the OC in class, but I didn't get to know him. I really wish I could remember which class it was (maybe he does) but it was an unmemorable GEC during my sophomore year.

Intermediate microeconomics.

Fab4Runner;1620057 wrote:I can't recall exactly when we met. I think it was when I was still living in Toledo (he is from the area). Regardless, we have hung out several times, and he has also met other OCers and some of my friends.

We went to a bar in Toledo on the river and a few OSU tailgates. Also used to play hoops with Sage back in the day.

HitsRus;1620098 wrote:One thing is for sure it as not in an applied logic class...the guy leaves generalizations like pigeon droppings on this site.

You mad.

Ytowngirlinfla;1620062 wrote:Sleeper is from Toledo? Makes sense, I see where he gets the pitbull.

Pitbull pic for isadore.

You mad.

Amused.

Ytowngirlinfla;1620062 wrote:Sleeper is from Toledo?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Sleeper and Manhattan Buckeye rarely agree with me on the other forum but I'd say they are pretty much spot on. Talk about "following up" and "just not trying hard enough" and "not having the right skills that are in demand" and "finding a way to network and get your name out there" are all red herrings to deviate from the real point....we are suffering from unemployment catastrophe.

Individuals with skills that less than 1% of our population have are unable to find work. U.S. workers are the second most productive per hour in the world on the whole. They have plenty of skills and talent in the aggregate.

By all means contact hiring managers, beg in the streets for work.

None of that changes the fact that there is not enough available paid work to support the amount of people that want to work at nearly all skill levels.



This graph does not even include the malcontents who gave up looking for employment a long time ago and have turned to crime or become fully entrenched within the welfare state.

Even if we were all maximally motivated, talented, self-starters with strong social networks, there would still be mass unemployment in our country.

We are experiencing a genuine human catastrophe. It doesn't feel that way because our country is so very rich in the aggregate with our poorest genuinely having access to more luxuries like air conditioning than King Louis XIV.

The "poor" in our society, unemployed and marginally employed are largely invisible because they're content to despair in doors on the internet sending out resumes that will never get answered as they manage not to starve and get by with sustenance from unemployment insurance, SNAP cards, a roof over their heads from mom and dad rather than rioting in the streets screaming for work only to have the police beat them to pulp like in Tompkins Square back in the day.

None of that changes the fact that there is not enough available paid work to support the amount of people that want to work at nearly all skill levels.

agree with that entirely.

ohiobucks1;1620094 wrote:pics or it didn't happen

I actually do have pics.

sleeper;1620111 wrote:We went to a bar in Toledo on the river and a few OSU tailgates. Also used to play hoops with Sage back in the day.

I thought that was the first time we met.

I had a job before I graduated and I get calls from head hunters bi-weekly and have for the last 10 years. All this with the hinderance of a degree from a MAC school

BoatShoes;1620170 wrote:Sleeper and Manhattan Buckeye rarely agree with me on the other forum but I'd say they are pretty much spot on. Talk about "following up" and "just not trying hard enough" and "not having the right skills that are in demand" and "finding a way to network and get your name out there" are all red herrings to deviate from the real point....we are suffering from unemployment catastrophe.

Individuals with skills that less than 1% of our population have are unable to find work. U.S. workers are the second most productive per hour in the world on the whole. They have plenty of skills and talent in the aggregate.

By all means contact hiring managers, beg in the streets for work.

None of that changes the fact that there is not enough available paid work to support the amount of people that want to work at nearly all skill levels.



This graph does not even include the malcontents who gave up looking for employment a long time ago and have turned to crime or become fully entrenched within the welfare state.

Even if we were all maximally motivated, talented, self-starters with strong social networks, there would still be mass unemployment in our country.

We are experiencing a genuine human catastrophe. It doesn't feel that way because our country is so very rich in the aggregate with our poorest genuinely having access to more luxuries like air conditioning than King Louis XIV.

The "poor" in our society, unemployed and marginally employed are largely invisible because they're content to despair in doors on the internet sending out resumes that will never get answered as they manage not to starve and get by with sustenance from unemployment insurance, SNAP cards, a roof over their heads from mom and dad rather than rioting in the streets screaming for work only to have the police beat them to pulp like in Tompkins Square back in the day.

The only issue I see is the generalization that the unemployment catastrophe (which I do agree with the fact that we have that) carries over into "nearly all skill levels".

The list I posted earlier showed MANY careers currently experiencing sub 2 or 3% unemployment. Now, since the overall employment/economy is bad quite a few of those careers even at 2 or 3% are higher currently than their "normal" unemployment. However, even higher than their "normal" I wouldn't call it a catastrophe for any career that is only suffering 2 to 3% unemployment.

Now, for the "every day worker", the blue collar guy, or the college grad who got a degree in something that is not that useful in the real world, yes, they are facing an economic catastrophe.

The ones that are worse off are those that have a college degree in something nearly useless, have massive student loans, and are just getting out or have been out for just a couple years. They not only can't get a job in their "field" but they can't get a job in a "field" much below them just to work because the employer sees them as "over qualified" and they "will leave as soon as something comes along". Those types of people right now are royally screwed.

Boat and I agree on the fact that our unemployment situation is catastrophic (while we disagree on the path to fixing that). I just believe that there are quite a few careers that are doing "fine" or even "quite well" and this catastrophe does not elevate to the majority of "skill levels".

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1620178 wrote:I had a job before I graduated and I get calls from head hunters bi-weekly and have for the last 10 years. All this with the hinderance of a degree from a MAC school

Mainly because you picked a career in demand and have done well at it.

vball10set;1620169 wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

I knew that would make you happy.

jmog;1620184 wrote:Mainly because you picked a career in demand and have done well at it.

But just think if I would have gone to tOSU!!! I probably would have purchased Timken by now.

Did a quick audit of younger guys in our department..


We have 3 U of Akron grads, one OSU grad, one Case Western grad, and one Geneva College grad.

So I guess any of those colleges with an Engineering major will get you a job.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1620187 wrote:But just think if I would have gone to tOSU!!! I probably would have purchased Timken by now.

You would be prez of the state of ohio lolz

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1620191 wrote:Did a quick audit of younger guys in our department..


We have 3 U of Akron grads, one OSU grad, one Case Western grad, and one Geneva College grad.

So I guess any of those colleges with an Engineering major will get you a job.

Didn't see Marietta on this list..

jmog;1620183 wrote:The only issue I see is the generalization that the unemployment catastrophe (which I do agree with the fact that we have that) carries over into "nearly all skill levels".

This is what I said:

None of that changes the fact that there is not enough available paid work to support the amount of people that want to work at nearly all skill levels.

I did not say that say that the highly skilled were facing an "unemployment catastrophe" in and of themselves.

BoatShoes;1620203 wrote:This is what I said:



I did not say that say that the highly skilled were facing an "unemployment catastrophe" in and of themselves.

There were quite a few careers shown on that list to be sub 4% unemployment that I would not consider "highly skilled". Trained and skilled, yes, but they are not rocket science or brain surgery.

Anecdotal evidence, yes...but I happened to be looking for a job right in the middle of both of the last 2 recessions.

I graduated college in May of 2002, during the 9/11 recession, and had no problem finding a job.
I got 'worried' during the beginning of this recession back in the fall of 2008 and started looking (even though I had a good job). It was ended up being not the best decision in the world, but I had no problem finding a job.

Is this because I am the smartest person in the world or even the brightest in my field? Nope
I picked a skilled field that as long as you work hard at it, you will never really be hard pressed to find a job. That is as long as you are willing to move to wherever the jobs may be.

jmog;1620207 wrote:There were quite a few careers shown on that list to be sub 4% unemployment that I would not consider "highly skilled". Trained and skilled, yes, but they are not rocket science or brain surgery.

"Highly Skilled" just means a high degree of specialization and that is absolutely the case for every, single engineer and every single career in that WSJ link you provided! We're talking about people with skills that very few people have here because that is the answer that is always propagated by politicians "go get human capital that employers want! MOAR specialization!".

A credentialing arms race can get a person a job but it does nothing for mass amounts of people who are capable of being productive but are unable to sell their productivity.

Moreover, many of those professions in including engineering, are heavily, heavily protected by licensing requirements, education, and anti-immigration policies in any event.

Let's see all of the people who say "Just become an engineer and you'll get a job!" say that if they had to compete with all of these PH.D's coming out of China every year like the everyday worker has to compete with them!

jmog;1620209 wrote:Anecdotal evidence, yes...but I happened to be looking for a job right in the middle of both of the last 2 recessions.

I graduated college in May of 2002, during the 9/11 recession, and had no problem finding a job.
I got 'worried' during the beginning of this recession back in the fall of 2008 and started looking (even though I had a good job). It was ended up being not the best decision in the world, but I had no problem finding a job.

Is this because I am the smartest person in the world or even the brightest in my field? Nope
I picked a skilled field that as long as you work hard at it, you will never really be hard pressed to find a job. That is as long as you are willing to move to wherever the jobs may be.

You have a very specialized educational background and skill set and you're reminded us all about it over and over again lol! You don't have to be the brightest in your field when your field is small!

Just like the answer "go get a bachelor's degree!" was no good...neither is "go get an engineering degree!"