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lhslep134

why so serious?

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Nov 13, 2014 10:03 PM
SportsAndLady;1674108 wrote:Trout impacts the game defensively as well.
And WAR takes that into account. Yet the best pitchers and best hitters are around the same value. You haven't really defended Like_that's point.
Nov 13, 2014 10:03pm
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like_that

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Nov 13, 2014 10:05 PM
lhslep134;1674095 wrote:I once shared this belief until I was shown something similar. Are you ready for that argument to be destroyed?

Mike Trout: 705 at bats

Clayton Kershaw: 749 batters faced

Sure seems like Clayton had as many batter/pitcher interactions as an everyday player.
Never thought of it that way, unfortunately that doesnt "destroy" my argument.

Trout had a chance to impact and win 157 games. Kershaw only 27.
Nov 13, 2014 10:05pm
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lhslep134

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Nov 13, 2014 10:19 PM
like_that;1674115 wrote:Never thought of it that way, unfortunately that doesnt "destroy" my argument.

Trout had a chance to impact and win 157 games. Kershaw only 27.
And Kershaw's more direct control over the outcome of his 27 games makes him just as valuable**, per WAR, as a position player. Trout's impact during a game is negligible when compared to Kershaw's and that's why he has just as many WAR as Kershaw.


**clearly, this argument only holds water when you're talking about as dominant of a season as Kershaw had.
Nov 13, 2014 10:19pm
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Nov 13, 2014 10:33 PM
Meh. As a pitcher you have a DIRECT impact on the game. Batters/defenders do not. I think a pitcher is just as valuable as an everyday player at end of the year.

I disagree with it because they have their own award (CYA). But that's the only reason.
Nov 13, 2014 10:33pm
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Azubuike24

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Nov 14, 2014 5:33 AM
Lets also admit that the NL MVP (and NL ROY) candidates were...crappy. A pitcher isn't winning MVP if a position player absolutely dominates.
Nov 14, 2014 5:33am
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Nov 14, 2014 6:30 AM
Azubuike24;1674142 wrote:Lets also admit that the NL MVP (and NL ROY) candidates were...crappy. A pitcher isn't winning MVP if a position player absolutely dominates.
Crappy = injured the last month
Nov 14, 2014 6:30am
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lhslep134

why so serious?

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Nov 14, 2014 9:13 AM
Azubuike24;1674142 wrote:A pitcher isn't winning MVP if a position player absolutely dominates.
Agreed, but that's sort of a different argument. I'm not saying pitchers should routinely win or anything, I'm only saying that the overall impact/value between an elite pitcher and an elite position player is close enough that you shouldn't automatically disregard someone because they are a pitcher.
Nov 14, 2014 9:13am
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Nov 14, 2014 9:22 AM
Azubuike24;1674142 wrote:Lets also admit that the NL MVP (and NL ROY) candidates were...crappy. A pitcher isn't winning MVP if a position player absolutely dominates.
Yeah super crappy to still lead the NL in HRs ans SLG% while missing the last 17 games due to being injured by a pitcher.
Nov 14, 2014 9:22am
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Nov 14, 2014 9:53 AM
Iliketurtles;1674155 wrote:Yeah super crappy to still lead the NL in HRs ans SLG% while missing the last 17 games due to being injured by a pitcher.
I should have taken McCutcheon's injury as a sign of things to come for me this year in (all) fantasy sports.
Nov 14, 2014 9:53am