Archive 2014 Cleveland Browns Offseason Thread

wes_mantooth

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Dec 27, 2013 11:24am

SportsAndLady;1557861 wrote:The weeden pick was one of the worst moments in my browns fanhood career. I got sick that night thinking about the next shitty 3 years of 4-12 seasons. Smh.

It was bad, but right now the trich pick looks just as bad.

Dr. KnOiTaLL

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Dec 27, 2013 11:28am

wes_mantooth;1557862 wrote:It was bad, but right now the trich pick looks just as bad.

I disagree. At least we got another first out of the TRich pick, even if we had to wait for 2 seasons.

wes_mantooth

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Dec 27, 2013 11:31am

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1557863 wrote:I disagree. At least we got another first out of the TRich pick, even if we had to wait for 2 seasons.

I am just referring to the actual pick...not the fleecing of the following regime

Commander of Awesome

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Dec 27, 2013 11:33am

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1557863 wrote:I disagree. At least we got another first out of the TRich pick, even if we had to wait for 2 seasons.

So we pick a bum player, waste a 3rd round pick to do so, and in exchange get a 25th pick 2 yrs from now? That's shitty anyway you look at it. I'm glad we have a 1st but I'd much rather have a do over on that.

Dr. KnOiTaLL

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Dec 27, 2013 11:35am

Commander of Awesome;1557865 wrote:So we pick a bum player, waste a 3rd round pick to do so, and in exchange get a 25th pick 2 yrs from now? That's shitty anyway you look at it. I'm glad we have a 1st but I'd much rather have a do over on that.

I agree completely. I'm just saying, the Weeden pick was worse because we're not getting ANYTHING out of it other than pain and agony.

like_that

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Dec 27, 2013 12:02pm

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1557856 wrote:Everyone was saying we were stupid for not making a deal to get that pick. I thought that was ridiculous. There is NO ONE worth 3 firsts and a second or whatever the deal was. If you do your due diligence, 3 firsts and a 2nd are 4 starters. No single player can make up for 4 players. Not to mention, it's a COLLEGE kid. Those kids have proven nothing yet. I think the Browns have been smart in stockpiling picks instead of trading them all away for anything but a sure thing. Now, we can't pull the same crap previous regimes and the Cavs did an blow our picks. Whatever has been done in the past as far as draft prep, I would double it heading into this draft. With the amount of picks we have, if we hit on a large majority of them, we could be sitting in playoff contention next season.

Remember when the low life said tried to remind us in every game thread how dumb the browns were for not making that deal? LOL.

Weeden is 10x worse than the t rich pick. At least we had some damage control with t rich. Not many franchises can say they royally fucked up their first round pick and they got another first for it. Hell, if the colts played in a better division we are looking at a pick in the 15-20 range IMO.

Commander of Awesome

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Dec 27, 2013 12:19pm

For said:

Mulva

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Dec 27, 2013 7:18pm

wes_mantooth;1557853 wrote:I was just looking over draft projections...off subject, but god, how awful does that RG3 deal look for Washington right now? The Rams are sitting pretty.

Too bad for Rams fans they keep blowing picks on terrible offensive players. Austin Pettis, Greg Salas, Lance Kendricks, Brian Quick and Isaiah Pead in the first 4 rounds in 2011 and 2012. Then spent picks on Tavon and Stedman Bailey in the first and third round this past draft, and somehow they still need to upgrade at receiver.

se-alum

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Dec 27, 2013 7:24pm

Mulva;1557984 wrote:Too bad for Rams fans they keep blowing picks on terrible offensive players. Austin Pettis, Greg Salas, Lance Kendricks, Brian Quick and Isaiah Pead in the first 4 rounds in 2011 and 2012. Then spent picks on Tavon and Stedman Bailey in the first and third round this past draft, and somehow they still need to upgrade at receiver.

I think Austin will be pretty good, but yea, they have missed quite a bit. St. Louis is in a tough spot. Do they roll with Bradford or look for that franchise guy?

Lovejoy1984

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Dec 27, 2013 7:57pm

I'd think they have to go after another Tackle, seeing as Jake Long can't stay healthy. But the one player I think its safe to say is off the board for them is Clowney.

I wouldn't take another QB this high if I'm them. Bridgewater lost a lot of his luster this season in my eyes, and I'm not a believer in Derek Carr, or Blake Bortles.

But at the same time, they sit in a good spot to trade down if some team falls in love with one of the above QB's.

SportsAndLady

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Dec 27, 2013 8:10pm

HighRoller74;1557990 wrote:I'd think they have to go after another Tackle, seeing as Jake Long can't stay healthy. But the one player I think its safe to say is off the board for them is Clowney.

I wouldn't take another QB this high if I'm them. Bridgewater lost a lot of his luster this season in my eyes, and I'm not a believer in Derek Carr, or Blake Bortles.

But at the same time, they sit in a good spot to trade down if some team falls in love with one of the above QB's.

I'm with you on the QB's this year...I don't see one that I really like. If I had to choose, I'd take Bortles though.

Lovejoy1984

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Dec 27, 2013 8:12pm

I'm a fan of Mariota if he comes out, and if he's smart he does, too much to risk going back to school.

se-alum

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Dec 27, 2013 8:53pm

I wouldn't take Mariota in the first 2 rounds.

se-alum

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Dec 29, 2013 11:52pm

Draft order is set. Browns get #26 pick from Colts.

Houston (2-14)
St. Louis - from Washington (3-13)
Jacksonville (4-12)
Cleveland (4-12)
Oakland (4-12)
Atlanta (4-12)
Tampa Bay (4-12)
Minnesota (5-10-1)
Buffalo (6-10)
Detroit (7-9)
Tennessee (7-9)
New York Giants (7-9)
St. Louis (7-9)
Chicago (8-8)
Pittsburgh (8-8)
Dallas (8-8)
Baltimore (8-8)
New York Jets (8-8)
Miami (8-8)
Arizona (10-6)
Green Bay* (8-7-1)
San Diego* (9-7)
Philadelphia* (10-6)
Kansas City* (11-5)
Cincinnati* (11-5)
Cleveland - from Indianapolis* (11-5)
New Orleans* (11-5)
San Francisco* (12-4)
New England* (12-4)
Carolina* (12-4)
Denver* (13-3)
Seattle* (13-3)

Mulva

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Dec 29, 2013 11:55pm

Aren't 21-32 contingent on playoff finish, or was that rule eliminated? I know the Ravens picked 32nd this year.

Terry_Tate

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Dec 29, 2013 11:56pm

Mulva;1558936 wrote:Aren't 21-32 contingent on playoff finish, or was that rule eliminated? I know the Ravens picked 32nd this year.

They are, which is why they all have asterisks I'm guessing.

se-alum

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Dec 30, 2013 12:05am

Yea, I just wasn't thinking.

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Footwedge

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Dec 30, 2013 3:51am

se-alum;1558935 wrote:Draft order is set. Browns get #26 pick from Colts.

Houston (2-14)

St. Louis - from Washington (3-13)

Jacksonville (4-12)

Cleveland (4-12)

Oakland (4-12)

Atlanta (4-12)

Tampa Bay (4-12)

Minnesota (5-10-1)

Buffalo (6-10)

Detroit (7-9)

Tennessee (7-9)

New York Giants (7-9)

St. Louis (7-9)

Chicago (8-8)

Pittsburgh (8-8)

Dallas (8-8)

Baltimore (8-8)

New York Jets (8-8)

Miami (8-8)

Arizona (10-6)

Green Bay* (8-7-1)

San Diego* (9-7)

Philadelphia* (10-6)

Kansas City* (11-5)

Cincinnati* (11-5)

Cleveland - from Indianapolis* (11-5)

New Orleans* (11-5)

San Francisco* (12-4)

New England* (12-4)

Carolina* (12-4)

Denver* (13-3)

Seattle* (13-3)

Number 4 is pretty damn good considering only one 4-12 team picks ahead of them. But didnt Jax beat the Browns? I guess head to head doesnt play a roll here.

wes_mantooth

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Dec 30, 2013 6:59am

I was listening to Vic on the radio the other day and he was talking about the QBs that the Browns have scouted. He didn't once mention Bridgewater. I wonder if that is because it is assumed that he will go #1? Or do they like Carr, Bortles and Manziel better? Also, I really wonder if the Rams will be looking to trade that #2 pick...seems like it could be in high demand.

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Al Bundy

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Dec 30, 2013 8:43am

Footwedge;1558960 wrote:Number 4 is pretty damn good considering only one 4-12 team picks ahead of them. But didnt Jax beat the Browns? I guess head to head doesnt play a roll here.

Strength of schedule is first tie breaker for draft order.

said_aouita

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Dec 30, 2013 8:47am

like_that;1557869 wrote:Remember when the low life said tried to remind us in every game thread how dumb the browns were for not making that deal? LOL.

Obviously the Browns are doing a lot better not making that pick.

Does your ankle hurt on cold days?

Commander of Awesome;1557876 wrote:For said:

Funny....

Actually the Redskins may be worse than the Browns right now but it's not all rg3's fault either.

said_aouita

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Dec 30, 2013 8:50am

Not to troll just asking and didn't want to start a new thread.

Who do you all want as the next Browns coach? I didn't expect chud to be fired.

Anyone want Lovie Smith?

like_that

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Dec 30, 2013 8:54am

said_aouita;1558987 wrote:Obviously the Browns are doing a lot better not making that pick.

Does your ankle hurt on cold days?

Funny....

Actually the Redskins may be worse than the Browns right now but it's not all rg3's fault either.

You think the browns would have been better off making that trade? Please say yes, so you can further prove your lack of knowledge.

said_aouita

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Dec 30, 2013 9:04am

like_that;1558991 wrote:You think the browns would have been better off making that trade? Please say yes, so you can further prove your lack of knowledge.

Nope. I'll just say we don't know.
I am sticking with being optimistic and that rg3 will get back to being a top tier qb. You can laugh at me for that I suppose.

Sure I wish the Browns would have gotten rg3 but no way to say with certainty they'd be better with him.

SportsAndLady

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Dec 30, 2013 9:32am

Who gives a shit what Said has to say. Ignore that idiot and get back to the browns.