SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 8, 2014 1:35pm
That is exactly what's going to happen. We'll then build depth on the D line with the 26th pick, and get mettenberger in the 4th round.Midstate01;1613913 wrote:I have this bad feeling we don't go qb at 4 and then have a guy sitting there at 26 we want, only to have someone trade ahead of us to get him. Every one knows they want a qb..
We'll have to wait another year for our franchise QB.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 8, 2014 1:39pm
Hoyer isn't a long term solution but neither is blowing another high draft pick on a system QB from A&M. I'm not sure why NFL fans think that drafting a QB in the 1st round makes that QB a franchise QB. We've already had this debate on here and its one I won convincingly with no rebuttle; but essentially, if you aren't drafting a QB #1 overall, then you are wasting the pick on a QB later than that.SportsAndLady;1613915 wrote:Hoyer is gonna take us to the promise land?
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
May 8, 2014 1:39pm
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 8, 2014 1:41pm
I think it says a lot about the current crop of QBs if the Texans don't pick one #1 overall. They need a QB just as bad as we do and if they pass for Clowney or Mack, that tells you all you need to know. I don't want sloppy seconds; I want an impact player at #4.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 8, 2014 1:43pm
I think spending a first round pick on bortles or bridgewater and having them sit and learn the system and the league for a year or two is absolutely a long term solution. No one is saying draft bortles and start him day one. But betting the house on hoyer to succeed with no real backup plan is exactly what has gotten us into a QB mess over the last 15 years.sleeper;1613917 wrote:Hoyer isn't a long term solution but neither is blowing another high draft pick on a system QB from A&M. I'm not sure why NFL fans think that drafting a QB in the 1st round makes that QB a franchise QB. We've already had this debate on here and its one I won convincingly with no rebuttle; but essentially, if you aren't drafting a QB #1 overall, then you are wasting the pick on a QB later than that.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 8, 2014 1:45pm
More likely the Browns will panic and trade a couple of picks to move up one spot to get a guy when they dont have but were hornswaggled by the team saying someone else is wanting the spot to get the guy the browns wanted...the old use car salesman trick. think that has happend twice in recent memory...Midstate01;1613913 wrote:I have this bad feeling we don't go qb at 4 and then have a guy sitting there at 26 we want, only to have someone trade ahead of us to get him. Every one knows they want a qb..
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 8, 2014 1:45pm
So what makes Bortles or Bridgewater any different than all the other QBs the Browns have drafted over the years? Do I need to post the list again?SportsAndLady;1613920 wrote:I think spending a first round pick on bortles or bridgewater and having them sit and learn the system and the league for a year or two is absolutely a long term solution. No one is saying draft bortles and start him day one. But betting the house on hoyer to succeed with no real backup plan is exactly what has gotten us into a QB mess over the last 15 years.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 8, 2014 1:46pm
I think the time you draft a QB in the first round and sit him is usually when you have an established starter already in place. Why do this and allow Hoyer to go through the ups and downs only to sit your first round pick and have that pick go through the same learning curve in a season or two? IT has been discussed many times before and those guys who usually did sit for a season plus, and who were drafted fairly high, had a starter they could count on to some pont.SportsAndLady;1613920 wrote:I think spending a first round pick on bortles or bridgewater and having them sit and learn the system and the league for a year or two is absolutely a long term solution. No one is saying draft bortles and start him day one. But betting the house on hoyer to succeed with no real backup plan is exactly what has gotten us into a QB mess over the last 15 years.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 8, 2014 1:50pm
Lol you were literally made fun of for that horrible argument of yours.sleeper;1613922 wrote:So what makes Bortles or Bridgewater any different than all the other QBs the Browns have drafted over the years? Do I need to post the list again?
First round QBs are the way to go.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 8, 2014 1:51pm
Hey thanks. This is the browns thread should be a squeelers thread somewhere on here, check the 3rd page.thavoice;1613923 wrote:I think the time you draft a QB in the first round and sit him is usually when you have an established starter already in place. Why do this and allow Hoyer to go through the ups and downs only to sit your first round pick and have that pick go through the same learning curve in a season or two? IT has been discussed many times before and those guys who usually did sit for a season plus, and who were drafted fairly high, had a starter they could count on to some pont.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 8, 2014 1:53pm
Well for one, they don't blow asshole.sleeper;1613922 wrote:So what makes Bortles or Bridgewater any different than all the other QBs the Browns have drafted over the years?
No one knows how they'll fare in the league. But they can't be any worse than Quinn, weeden, McCoy, etc.
Besides, if you sit them behind hoyer, and they do suck, farmer and company will see this and try and trade him. Whereas if you start him, everyone will know and you'll end up cutting him.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 8, 2014 1:56pm
Gotta be Cleveland fan to comment?
WTF they decide do tonight is probably the hottest topic surrounding the draft...no?
WTF they decide do tonight is probably the hottest topic surrounding the draft...no?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 8, 2014 1:58pm
Thavoice posts more on this thread than anyone else. It amuses me.Automatik;1613928 wrote:Gotta be Cleveland fan to comment?
WTF they decide do tonight is probably the hottest topic surrounding the draft...no?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 8, 2014 2:09pm
Just an FYI...
Of the 32 starting QBs last season, 22 were 1st round picks, 18 were picked in the first half of the first round (16th or earlier), 8 were #1 overalls.
Only 5 were selected after the 2nd round with only 2 selected after the 3rd round (Romo and Brady).
What am I getting at? There is about a 70% chance that if you want a starting QB, you better get him in the 1st round, and over 50% chance you better get him in the top half of the 1st round.
Even with that said, with the depth at QB in the draft without any one shining as the top pick (like a Manning), I believe we can get a starter at 26, but if we wait until 35 we will be out of good options at QB. Either use 26 for a QB, or use the 35 and another to get a 3rd 1st rounder.
Of the 32 starting QBs last season, 22 were 1st round picks, 18 were picked in the first half of the first round (16th or earlier), 8 were #1 overalls.
Only 5 were selected after the 2nd round with only 2 selected after the 3rd round (Romo and Brady).
What am I getting at? There is about a 70% chance that if you want a starting QB, you better get him in the 1st round, and over 50% chance you better get him in the top half of the 1st round.
Even with that said, with the depth at QB in the draft without any one shining as the top pick (like a Manning), I believe we can get a starter at 26, but if we wait until 35 we will be out of good options at QB. Either use 26 for a QB, or use the 35 and another to get a 3rd 1st rounder.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 8, 2014 2:10pm
Now here comes a retarded sleeper retortjmog;1613931 wrote:Just an FYI...
Of the 32 starting QBs last season, 22 were 1st round picks, 18 were picked in the first half of the first round (16th or earlier), 8 were #1 overalls.
Only 5 were selected after the 2nd round with only 2 selected after the 3rd round (Romo and Brady).
What am I getting at? There is about a 70% chance that if you want a starting QB, you better get him in the 1st round, and over 50% chance you better get him in the top half of the 1st round.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 8, 2014 2:16pm
Because most of you are dead set on a failed strategy and think with emotions rather than logic. None of my argument was refuted but the GROUPTHINK on this thread was that JFF and Bridgewater are franchise QBs who will win multiple super bowls with the Browns.SportsAndLady;1613925 wrote:Lol you were literally made fun of for that horrible argument of yours.
First round QBs are the way to go.
Reality says otherwise.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 8, 2014 2:16pm
Well you are welcome.SportsAndLady;1613926 wrote:Hey thanks. This is the browns thread should be a squeelers thread somewhere on here, check the 3rd page.
Such a nice guy.
and btw..doesnt really matter what team you are a fan of, the basics are still the same in terms of the draft. If the browns draft a QB in the first round, he needs to have serious consideration to start as a rookie and not the "sit and wait". They dont need to go through the ups and downs of a Hoyer, only to turn the reigns over to their first round QB pick the next year and do it all over again.
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Sonofanump
May 8, 2014 2:20pm
Just a thought: #26 + #83 = #19
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 8, 2014 2:21pm
Just an FYI.jmog;1613931 wrote:Just an FYI...
Of the 32 starting QBs last season, 22 were 1st round picks, 18 were picked in the first half of the first round (16th or earlier), 8 were #1 overalls.
Only 5 were selected after the 2nd round with only 2 selected after the 3rd round (Romo and Brady).
What am I getting at? There is about a 70% chance that if you want a starting QB, you better get him in the 1st round, and over 50% chance you better get him in the top half of the 1st round.
Even with that said, with the depth at QB in the draft without any one shining as the top pick (like a Manning), I believe we can get a starter at 26, but if we wait until 35 we will be out of good options at QB. Either use 26 for a QB, or use the 35 and another to get a 3rd 1st rounder.
The Super Bowl winning QB was drafted in the 3rd round. Also, over the last decade 45 QBs were drafted in the 1st round and only 22 stayed in the league for more than 3 years. That's an over 50% fail rate and that doesn't even include the trash QBs that will be out soon(Bradford, RG3, Weeden, Gabbert, Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Tannehil, etc.) I'll pass on this current crop; they are garbage.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 8, 2014 2:22pm
I am not a fan of JFF by any means (don't want the Browns to draft him) but the idea of drafting a starting QB in the first round is irrefutable by the statistics I posted above.sleeper;1613934 wrote:Because most of you are dead set on a failed strategy and think with emotions rather than logic. None of my argument was refuted but the GROUPTHINK on this thread was that JFF and Bridgewater are franchise QBs who will win multiple super bowls with the Browns.
Reality says otherwise.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 8, 2014 2:23pm
Lolsleeper;1613934 wrote:Because most of you are dead set on a failed strategy and think with emotions rather than logic. None of my argument was refuted but the GROUPTHINK on this thread was that JFF and Bridgewater are franchise QBs who will win multiple super bowls with the Browns.
Reality says otherwise.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
May 8, 2014 2:24pm
wouldn't surprise me at allSonofanump;1613937 wrote:Just a thought: #26 + #83 = #19
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 8, 2014 2:26pm
I have faith that you are wrong.jmog;1613939 wrote:I am not a fan of JFF by any means (don't want the Browns to draft him) but the idea of drafting a starting QB in the first round is irrefutable by the statistics I posted above.
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Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
May 8, 2014 2:26pm
Actually, all this tells me is that most personnel people/talent evaluators around the league know what they are doing and know what a starting QB looks like.jmog;1613931 wrote:Just an FYI...
Of the 32 starting QBs last season, 22 were 1st round picks, 18 were picked in the first half of the first round (16th or earlier), 8 were #1 overalls.
Only 5 were selected after the 2nd round with only 2 selected after the 3rd round (Romo and Brady).
What am I getting at? There is about a 70% chance that if you want a starting QB, you better get him in the 1st round, and over 50% chance you better get him in the top half of the 1st round.
Even with that said, with the depth at QB in the draft without any one shining as the top pick (like a Manning), I believe we can get a starter at 26, but if we wait until 35 we will be out of good options at QB. Either use 26 for a QB, or use the 35 and another to get a 3rd 1st rounder.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 8, 2014 2:31pm
That the number one consensus QB from the day after the season ended has plummeted without playing a game indicates otherwise, or at least that they let themselves get distracted by nonsense. He'll be there at 26. Take him.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1613943 wrote:Actually, all this tells me is that most personnel people/talent evaluators around the league know what they are doing and know what a starting QB looks like.