robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 10:15pm
I just gave you numbers that say that he is still very good/elite. To say he is no longer good is laughable. Like I said if it were any other player who played 32 mpg and averaged 19, 5 and 4 on 55% we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Some of you are letting the finals cloud your judgement and are delusional.lhslep134;1629600 wrote:I think it was ONE THING. Lebron needed help in the finals against a team that made them work on both ends (unlike Indy), Wade COULDN'T deliver because he BROKE DOWN and IS NO LONGER GOOD.
Any other conclusion is misguided. Your conclusion is even more than misguided, it's delusional.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 24, 2014 10:15pm
Lol fucking Rio.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 10:16pm
Maybe his ass should have showed up more when it mattered then and got better over the years instead of being the same inconsistent/mistake prone player.like_that;1629603 wrote:http://instagram.com/p/ppTUXDP4Ut/#
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 24, 2014 10:17pm
(in no order) Lebron, Durant, Love, Curry, Harden, Griffin, CP3, Westbrook, Noah, Lowry, Dirk, Paul George, Anthony Davis, Carmelo Anthony, Serge Ibaka, Tony Parker, Bosh, David West, Marc Gasol, Dwight Howard, John Wall, Lamarcus Aldridge, Tim Duncan, Al Jefferson, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Drummond, Manu Ginobilirobj55;1629598 wrote:No way, there is no way anyone can name me 25 better all around players than DWade right now, not even close.
And I've left a bunch of players off.
It's not close dude, give it up.
Edit: I didn't even include Mike Conley, who is definitely a better two way player as well.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 24, 2014 10:19pm
Yeah he's still good, I changed my post to say ELITErobj55;1629604 wrote:I just gave you numbers that say that he is still very good/elite. To say he is no longer good is laughable. Like I said if it were any other player who played 32 mpg and averaged 19, 5 and 4 on 55% we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Some of you are letting the finals cloud your judgement and are delusional.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 10:20pm
The bolded are the only one's who are better, the rest aren't as complete or good all around. Some of those are laughable.lhslep134;1629607 wrote:(in no order) Lebron, Durant, Love, Curry, Harden, Griffin, CP3, Westbrook, Noah, Lowry, Dirk, Paul George, Anthony Davis, Carmelo Anthony, Serge Ibaka, Tony Parker, Bosh, David West, Marc Gasol, Dwight Howard, John Wall, Lamarcus Aldridge, Tim Duncan, Al Jefferson, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Drummond, Manu Ginobili
And I've left a bunch of players off.
It's not close dude, give it up.
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Jun 24, 2014 10:23pm
Just better players period than Wade, right NOW. Not career wise, but right now.robj55;1629598 wrote:No way, there is no way anyone can name me 25 better all around players than DWade right now, not even close.
1.Durant
2. James
3. Noah
4. Chris Paul
5. James Harden
6. Griffin
7. Love
8. Dwight
9. Steph Curry
10.Tony Parker
11. Paul George
12. Lamarcus Aldridge
13. Lillard
14.Al Jefferson
15. Dragic
16. Melo
17. Al Jefferson
18. Kyrie Irving(when healthy)
19. Demarcus Cousins
20. Tim Duncan
21. John Wall
22. Anthony Davis
23. Russell Westbrook
24. Marc Gasol
25.Rudy Gay
Plenty others left off too not in any particular order either
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 24, 2014 10:23pm
Rob means the East right? Easily top 25 in the East?
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Jun 24, 2014 10:24pm
Wade is better than Melo , Harden and the 1st team all NBA center. Guess I learned somethin today haharobj55;1629609 wrote:The bolded are the only one's who are better, the rest aren't as complete or good all around. Some of those are laughable.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 24, 2014 10:26pm
I mean you could probably find 25 in the East with a decent argument...lolLaley23;1629611 wrote:Rob means the East right? Easily top 25 in the East?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 24, 2014 10:26pm
Did you seriously mean to leave Noah unbolded??? Get the fuck out of here if so. I dont mean to say All-NBA is the end all be all...but come on. To say a 1st team selection isnt better than Wade...just lolrobj55;1629609 wrote:The bolded are the only one's who are better, the rest aren't as complete or good all around. Some of those are laughable.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 24, 2014 10:28pm
LMAO at Rob asking for 25 better all around players and then getting all (unjustifiably) defensive when I include players who might be worse offensively but you know, play more than a smidge of D. Rob, since you're struggling with generally accepted truths tonight, WADE DOESN'T PLAY DEFENSErobj55;1629609 wrote:The bolded are the only one's who are better, the rest aren't as complete or good all around. Some of those are laughable.
Just admit you don't watch the NBA and move on.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 24, 2014 10:28pm
If the Spurs offered Kawhi for Wade right now, Pat Riley accepts before he finishes his sentence.robj55;1629609 wrote:The bolded are the only one's who are better, the rest aren't as complete or good all around. Some of those are laughable.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 10:30pm
SMH man, no way you actually believe that.KB0938;1629610 wrote:Just better players period than Wade, right NOW. Not career wise, but right now.
1.Durant
2. James
3. Noah
4. Chris Paul
5. James Harden
6. Griffin
7. Love
8. Dwight
9. Steph Curry
10.Tony Parker
11. Paul George
12. Lamarcus Aldridge
13. Lillard
14.Al Jefferson
15. Dragic
16. Melo
17. Al Jefferson
18. Kyrie Irving(when healthy)
19. Demarcus Cousins
20. Tim Duncan
21. John Wall
22. Anthony Davis
23. Russell Westbrook
24. Marc Gasol
25.Rudy Gay
Plenty others left off too not in any particular order either
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Jun 24, 2014 10:31pm
No, i most def do. You seem to be the one whos gone off the deep end lol. This isnt 2006 or w/e Wade. Its 2014robj55;1629619 wrote:SMH man, no way you actually believe that.
You just said Wade is better than Noah, Carmelo and James Harden. Among others you left unbolded on the other list, and god knows who you disagree with on mine, but apparently you and the rest of us view Wade VERRRRRRRY differently
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 10:32pm
Yes, all they do is take a ton more bad shots and are inefficient while playing zero defense. Noah has no offensive game what so ever so he is disqualified, talking about all around complete basketball players.KB0938;1629612 wrote:Wade is better than Melo , Harden and the 1st team all NBA center. Guess I learned somethin today haha
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 24, 2014 10:33pm
What does D Wade do that is elite?robj55;1629619 wrote:SMH man, no way you actually believe that.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 10:33pm
He's 21 years old, and that system makes him look better than what he is. He averaged 13 ppg. You could plug a number of SF's into that role and they would be as good or better than he is.HighRoller74;1629618 wrote:If the Spurs offered Kawhi for Wade right now, Pat Riley accepts before he finishes his sentence.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 24, 2014 10:34pm
D-Wade turns it over every 5th time he touches it.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 24, 2014 10:34pm
D Wade hasn't played a lick of D since he was 25. Just stop.robj55;1629622 wrote:Yes, all they do is take a ton more bad shots and are inefficient while playing zero defense. Noah has no offensive game what so ever so he is disqualified, talking about all around complete basketball players.
All around, complete basketball players? D Wade is not one those players anymore.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 10:34pm
He has no offensive game, how can you be included when you are inept on one side of the floor? I love Noah's game but I'm talking about complete all around players who are elite.Laley23;1629615 wrote:Did you seriously mean to leave Noah unbolded??? Get the fuck out of here if so. I dont mean to say All-NBA is the end all be all...but come on. To say a 1st team selection isnt better than Wade...just lol
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KB0938
Posts: 900
Jun 24, 2014 10:34pm
We're talking about top 25 players period, not best all around game in the nba. Just top 25 players period, a place where wade does not reside.robj55;1629622 wrote:Yes, all they do is take a ton more bad shots and are inefficient while playing zero defense. Noah has no offensive game what so ever so he is disqualified, talking about all around complete basketball players.
And theres advance defense stats that show Melo plays better defense in some situations (Post being one of them, i forget the other) than James. Hes not an elite defender, but lol he plays just as much D as Wades feeble self. Wade gambles for steals and cherry picks more than he locks up, hes not the young version of himself anymore.
Harden plays not even a tiny bit of defense, but hes THAT good of an offensive player that he is good enough to be 1st team all NBA, something that Wade cannot even fathom anymore.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 24, 2014 10:35pm
What the hell. lolwildcats20;1629614 wrote:I mean you could probably find 25 in the East with a decent argument...lol
1.) James
2.) George
3.) Noah
4.) Melo
5.) Jefferson
6.) Wall
7.) West
8.) Irving
9.) Lance
10.) Bosh
11.) Rondo
12.)Monroe
13.) Drummond
I could only logically get to 13 without question. I could make arguments for a few more (Jimmy Butler, Kemba Walker, Al Horford, Deron Williams)
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 24, 2014 10:35pm
How are you including a player who can't even GET ON THE FLOOR???robj55;1629627 wrote:He has no offensive game, how can you be included when you are inept on one side of the floor? I love Noah's game but I'm talking about complete all around players who are elite.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 10:35pm
Guess you haven't watched him play then, because he plays more D than those two could ever dream of. 19, 5 and 5 with that efficiency is all around. On one good leg at that.wildcats20;1629626 wrote:D Wade hasn't played a lick of D since he was 25. Just stop.
All around, complete basketball players? D Wade is not one those players anymore.