Lovejoy1984
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Jun 24, 2014 10:54pm
Coupled with that.wildcats20;1629683 wrote:D Wade averaged 14.1 FGA/game.
Bosh averaged 12.1 FGA/game.
So uh...
Cousing FGA 16.8
Gay FGA 15.3
Thomas FGA 15.2
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 24, 2014 10:54pm
No.robj55;1629684 wrote:How many did Lebron and Bosh combine to shoot per game? Which was the point. Wade has to share with two other stars which hurts his numbers.
Wade's numbers are hurt because he is no longer an elite/great player.
Lovejoy1984
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Jun 24, 2014 10:55pm
17, which combined with Bosh, is actually less shots than Boogie, and Thomas took from the kingsrobj55;1629684 wrote:How many did Lebron and Bosh combine to shoot per game? Which was the point. Wade has to share with two other stars which hurts his numbers.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 24, 2014 10:57pm
Basketball-reference. Should have clarified that's where I was getting all of my stats from.KB0938;1629678 wrote:Where you getting those from? just curious
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 10:58pm
I disagree, if he didn't shoot so well from the field maybe I would see your point. But he can still get AND make the shots he's always had. He can still rebound and pass, and he makes impact plays on the defensive end, although not as much as he used to. I believe he is the number one shot blocking guard in the history of the game.wildcats20;1629689 wrote:No.
Wade's numbers are hurt because he is no longer an elite/great player.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 10:58pm
What did Gay shoot from the field?HighRoller74;1629690 wrote:17, which combined with Bosh, is actually less shots than Boogie, and Thomas took from the kings
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 24, 2014 10:59pm
Of course I do, why else would I bring them up? It's points each player allows per 100 possessions. But that's only the glossary term, it needs to be applied with more subtlety.robj55;1629675 wrote:Do you even know what those stats mean? I watched the Kings probably 10 times last year, he isn't a good defender, especially for his body frame and athleticism. Should be much better.
The better question is, DO YOU? Do you know what subtlety needs to be accounted for?
Lovejoy1984
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Jun 24, 2014 11:01pm
54%TSP Gay 73gmrobj55;1629694 wrote:What did Gay shoot from the field?
58% TSP Wade 54gm
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:04pm
I don't know what the average is so how can I compare players? What I do know is that Wade has made and still occasionally makes impact plays on the defensive side of the ball. Whether it be steals or timely blocks which he leads all guards in.lhslep134;1629695 wrote:Of course I do, why else would I bring them up? It's points each player allows per 100 possessions. But that's only the glossary term, it needs to be applied with more subtlety.
The better question is, DO YOU? Do you know what subtlety needs to be accounted for?
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KB0938
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Jun 24, 2014 11:05pm
Interesting. I just went to look at the Defensive Rating stats, and Carmelo gets ridiculed for his defense and hes at a 108 this year, 107 for his career.lhslep134;1629691 wrote:Basketball-reference. Should have clarified that's where I was getting all of my stats from.
Lebron was at a 105 this year, 102 for his career. One is a 1st or 2nd team all defense player year in and out and one is considered to be "god awful" lol
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:06pm
He shot 45% from the field, 10 points lower than Wade did. So a 6'8'' in his athletic prime stud shot 10 percent lower than an old not elite 6'4'' 2 guard.HighRoller74;1629697 wrote:54%TSP Gay 73gm
58% TSP Wade 54gm
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:07pm
That right there lets you know that stat means nothing. Lebron is ten times the defender that Melo is, any human eye can catch that.KB0938;1629700 wrote:Interesting. I just went to look at the Defensive Rating stats, and Carmelo gets ridiculed for his defense and hes at a 108 this year, 107 for his career.
Lebron was at a 105 this year, 102 for his career. One is a 1st or 2nd team all defense player year in and out and one is considered to be "god awful" lol
lhslep134
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Jun 24, 2014 11:07pm
That's because Lebron WAS bad on defense this year. Not bad in terms of ability, bad in terms of effort.KB0938;1629700 wrote:Interesting. I just went to look at the Defensive Rating stats, and Carmelo gets ridiculed for his defense and hes at a 108 this year, 107 for his career.
Lebron was at a 105 this year, 102 for his career. One is a 1st or 2nd team all defense player year in and out and one is considered to be "god awful" lol
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 24, 2014 11:09pm
TSP is total shooting percentage, which is the more accepted number. But sure pick in choose what you want to follow.robj55;1629702 wrote:He shot 45% from the field, 10 points lower than Wade did. So a 6'8'' in his athletic prime stud shot 10 percent lower than an old not elite 6'4'' 2 guard.
Also you'll need to factor in the fact that Wade was well rested each game, and factor in the fact he's playing with the best basketball player in the world. He's obviously going to get more open looks/more one on one coverage.
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KB0938
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Jun 24, 2014 11:10pm
The notable ones were
Lebron . Defensive plays in isolation with .86 points per play
Melo Defensive plays in isolation with .64 points per play
Lebron defensive plays in the post with .82 points per play
Melo defensive plays in the post with .59 points per play
Lebron . Defensive plays in isolation with .86 points per play
Melo Defensive plays in isolation with .64 points per play
Lebron defensive plays in the post with .82 points per play
Melo defensive plays in the post with .59 points per play
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KB0938
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Jun 24, 2014 11:10pm
Yeah, and he got 2nd team all defense lol. Pretty much off reputation.lhslep134;1629705 wrote:That's because Lebron WAS bad on defense this year. Not bad in terms of ability, bad in terms of effort.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:12pm
True shooting percentage includes 3 point shooting right? Wade isn't a three point shooter and doesn't take many. Wade's game is mostly one on one so he is creating those shots/opportunities by himself largely.HighRoller74;1629707 wrote:TSP is total shooting percentage, which is the more accepted number. But sure pick in choose what you want to follow.
Also you'll need to factor in the fact that Wade was well rested each game, and factor in the fact he's playing with the best basketball player in the world. He's obviously going to get more open looks/more one on one coverage.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:13pm
Lebron is a much better defender everywhere, any position. Not close. Wish we would see some more effort from Melo on that end, always thought he could do/be more.KB0938;1629708 wrote:Advance Stats will show theyre similar, basketball reference isnt the only site that has them close (thast why I asked where he got this from). Obviously Lebron is a better defender on the wing. But hes not much better if at all in the post, and Melo doesnt go out there and do a Steve Nash or James Harden impersonation
Lovejoy1984
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Jun 24, 2014 11:14pm
Includes all shooting metrics, which would better show they efficency of a player.robj55;1629711 wrote:Trsu shooting percentage includes 3 point shooting right? Wade isn't a three point shooter and doesn't take many.
I think its safe to say that there would be an argument for Wade being better than Gay, but it isn't like he's blowing him out of the water. It's close.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:14pm
You might wanna go back to watching soccer, this basketball thing isn't for you.lhslep134;1629705 wrote:That's because Lebron WAS bad on defense this year. Not bad in terms of ability, bad in terms of effort.
lhslep134
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Jun 24, 2014 11:14pm
robj55;1629711 wrote:Trsu shooting percentage includes 3 point shooting right? Wade isn't a three point shooter and doesn't take many.
What does Wade not shooting three's have to do with using true shooting percentage? I would LOVE to hear this logic....
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jun 24, 2014 11:14pm
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233897/Clippers-Would-Consider-Moving-Blake-In-Deal-For-LeBron
lol this shit is getting beyond ridiculous. However this pretty much proves he's not coming to Cleveland so I hope the idiots will STFU about it.
lol this shit is getting beyond ridiculous. However this pretty much proves he's not coming to Cleveland so I hope the idiots will STFU about it.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:15pm
Wade is 4% better and 4" shorter with not nearly the athleticism. Rudy Gay isn't a winner either, Wade is, which factors in.HighRoller74;1629714 wrote:Includes all shooting metrics, which would better show they efficency of a player.
I think its safe to say that there would be an argument for Wade being better than Gay, but it isn't like he's blowing him out of the water. It's close.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 24, 2014 11:15pm
Doc has said that Griffin is untouchable. Who knows if that is true or not, but it's been said.Commander of Awesome;1629717 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233897/Clippers-Would-Consider-Moving-Blake-In-Deal-For-LeBron
lol this shit is getting beyond ridiculous. However this pretty much proves he's not coming to Cleveland so I hope the idiots will STFU about it.
Commander of Awesome
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Jun 24, 2014 11:16pm
And wtf does that mean? lolfail robrobj55;1629718 wrote:Wade is 4% better and 4" shorter with not nearly the athleticism. Rudy Gay isn't a winner either, Wade is, which factors in.